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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 27 2012 14:18 GMT
#112
On September 27 2012 23:07 ShiaoPi wrote:
So are you pegging SnB as likely scum at the moment or just suspicious?


I wouldn't go so far as "likely" but I'd say most suspicious looking dude. And if he's scum then I'd be pretty suspicious of Sinensis. I wanna see his (sinensis) response to what I asked him.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 27 2012 14:30 GMT
#115
On September 27 2012 23:28 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 23:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 23:07 ShiaoPi wrote:
So are you pegging SnB as likely scum at the moment or just suspicious?


I wouldn't go so far as "likely" but I'd say most suspicious looking dude. And if he's scum then I'd be pretty suspicious of Sinensis. I wanna see his (sinensis) response to what I asked him.

are you seriously doing association shit already.

how about this we find fucking scum first before we try to start making links between players.


Isn't analyzing interactions between players part of figuring out who is scum?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 27 2012 14:38 GMT
#118
On September 27 2012 23:33 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 23:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 23:28 iamperfection wrote:
On September 27 2012 23:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 23:07 ShiaoPi wrote:
So are you pegging SnB as likely scum at the moment or just suspicious?


I wouldn't go so far as "likely" but I'd say most suspicious looking dude. And if he's scum then I'd be pretty suspicious of Sinensis. I wanna see his (sinensis) response to what I asked him.

are you seriously doing association shit already.

how about this we find fucking scum first before we try to start making links between players.


Isn't analyzing interactions between players part of figuring out who is scum?

how do scum players interact with each other?


in the instance I was talking about, a strange/unexplained/contradictory changing of a read from suspicious to not suspicious
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 27 2012 14:43 GMT
#119
On September 27 2012 23:34 ShiaoPi wrote:
Hmm...dunno about this vote on Thrawn yet.

Not clearly enough scum motivated in his posts until now for me to join your vote Iamperfection. Not wanting to exonerate him, but he could very well be just doing this as town.

I'm off to bed...was a long day :S


You say there's not enough in my posts that are scum motivated for you to vote for me, so obviously you must think some things look scum motivated. What looks scummy?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 27 2012 14:51 GMT
#121
And? He can answer the question when he comes back, no?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 27 2012 21:46 GMT
#158
##Vote Ottoxlol

Alright otto that is 3 votes against you. You've been accused of giving a bad defense and it was, it was more of a deflection than a defense. You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true. So if snb is your top scumread can you give all the reasons why, and if he's not your top read / you're just waiting on his response or whatever, then who else looks scummy and why?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 27 2012 22:06 GMT
#160
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:
No, do you?
"Ur useless!"
"No ur useless!"
"No ur uselesser!"
Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.


When you say something like "I'm making a note of it" to me that suggests that you're implying there's something scummy going on but you don't want to come right out and say what it is, but that's not what I'm getting from this last response. Were you suspicious of how we were interacting?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 27 2012 22:16 GMT
#162
anyone besides snb you find scummy?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 27 2012 22:35 GMT
#165
It was from when you didn't want to answer a question about him until he responded to your question
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 27 2012 22:48 GMT
#170
On September 28 2012 07:45 Ottoxlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 07:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
It was from when you didn't want to answer a question about him until he responded to your question


quote pls?


lol do you really not know what I'm talking about?

On September 28 2012 00:32 Ottoxlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 00:30 Bluelightz wrote:
On September 28 2012 00:26 Ottoxlol wrote:
I am suspicious about SnB mainly because he still did not answer why would scum freak out at random lynch. Maybe I am wrong but I asked him to explain it to me: I see random lynch as an advantage of scum and he suggested it in the first place. Also I have the same problem with his fos on me that was with your vote, I would like to read why me over the others mentioned. I won't vote for him atm, but looking forward to his explanation.


Then who will you vote for?


I will wait for him to post, then we will see


You are asked who you will vote for, as in, who do you think is the scummiest. This is at a time when snb was who you were talking about. Your response was that you were waiting on snb to reply before you could answer the question.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 27 2012 23:01 GMT
#175
Otto to confirm, your scumreads are myself austin and snb? Also now that snb has responded again I'd like to see your read on him.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 28 2012 01:43 GMT
#179
ottoxlol: You say I lied, with the lie being that I said you wouldn't give your full read on snb. Yes you have given your read, but the question originally proposed to you was about where your vote was going to go, and you specifically declined answering that question. Whether or not you want to vote for snb is a very big part of what I look at when trying to determine how genuine your read on snb is.

So your original problems with snb's suggestion were that you couldn't see how it could be fairly done as far as actual logistics goes? You didn't say anything like that at all when you said you first said you didn't like the idea.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 28 2012 02:39 GMT
#182
otto you keep saying that I'm lying and you're acting like you have no clue why my accusations are being made, and I think whether you're town or mafia you actually do know why. I feel like most of your defenses thus far have been deflections or omgusing
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 28 2012 02:45 GMT
#184
austin how is that explanation of random lynch relevant?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 28 2012 02:56 GMT
#186
Yeah but their discussion (otto and snb) seems to have moved on about the logistics of it, as per this post and the one snb made after it. Just seems like way too many words to clear up something that has pretty much been wrapped up.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 28 2012 03:16 GMT
#192
On September 28 2012 12:13 austinmcc wrote:
Let me know if that wasn't it, or if you've got other concerns. Headed to bed now but I'll be looking around tomorrow since I don't like Ottox as a lynch any more.


if you're still up please say who you do prefer as a vote, we're pretty damn close to deadline already
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 28 2012 03:33 GMT
#195
On September 28 2012 12:25 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 12:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 28 2012 12:13 austinmcc wrote:
Let me know if that wasn't it, or if you've got other concerns. Headed to bed now but I'll be looking around tomorrow since I don't like Ottox as a lynch any more.


if you're still up please say who you do prefer as a vote, we're pretty damn close to deadline already

Off the top of my head, nobody's sticking out as someone I really want to vote.

I'd like to see ShiaoPi answer the questions the were addressed to him a while back, as well as give his thoughts on Ottox.

I want to look over you and phagga again. Ottox's defense was so not-a-defense that it felt townie to me. Again, I'd actually like to know what people think about his play after getting a vote(s) and how they read it. Phagga voted shortly after myself, but you came in after a while. I don't like you voting even though you yourself thought it was more of deflection than defense. I actually really don't think I like that, you get a close read!


There's a distinction between making a bad defense and making a bad defense by deflecting... I'd say deflecting is scummy.

And sorry I dont know what you mean by "close read."
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 28 2012 04:19 GMT
#199
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:
##Unvote austinmcc is being logical, compliant, and is saying things I agree with so I can't justify voting for him today anymore. Even though I disagree with him about hammer votes, he is right about it being largely irrelevant.


@Bluelightz: Your vote had the least amount of analysis behind it of any vote so far. Are you sticking with your vote or was that just to put pressure on austinmcc to start scum hunting? I will be curious to see if you and austinmcc have a dialog.


@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.

What do you have to say about that?


First what are you talking about with this part? " Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players"
Also could you be more specific with the accusations?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 28 2012 04:55 GMT
#201
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets.

So if I were to not go after other people that would somehow be better than what I've been doing? Well of course not. So how are you making the distinction that I'm trying to direct attention from myself? Are the accusations or questions I've posted scummy looking? Basically it seems like you are accusing me of "too much scumhunting" without going into detail about how the scumhunting looks suspicious.

On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.


I'm trying to disrupt communication? So I'm just supposed to sit back and let everyone talk to each other and then come in afterwards with my read without being able to ask people questions beforehand? And I think "rarely follow through" is an exaggeration. Which "nitpicks" do you have a problem with? Is your concern about the number of them or the usefulness of them?

What I want you to be more specific about is exact cases you're accusing me over. Tell me which ones you're actually talking about. You've just made some general statements about my play without actually saying which specific examples you think are scummy and why, and honestly I'm a little wary about how genuine your intentions are.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 28 2012 06:18 GMT
#206
On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote:
That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.

##Vote: Thrawn2112

I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too.


Those are serious questions I want you to answer, and they address the the problems I have with your accusations.

Anyways,

Sinensis makes this comment:

On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:
On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon

On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would be down for rando lynch

i will flip a coin.

heads it's me, and tails it's you?

On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho

who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.

On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying



So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.

Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?


Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw

Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.

Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.

But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?


You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it.


I addressed this earlier. Going so far as to call it out and say he's "just making a note of it" all reads like he was suspicious of our actions. When I asked him to further elaborate, he said:

On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 21:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:
On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:
On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon

On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would be down for rando lynch

i will flip a coin.

heads it's me, and tails it's you?

On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho

who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.

On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying



So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.

Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?


Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw

Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.

Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.

But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?


You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it.


"just making a note of it"

Wanna say anything further than that?


No, do you?
"Ur useless!"
"No ur useless!"
"No ur uselesser!"
Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.


He doesn't say anything about him thinking it was suspicious. Just that it was probably making us angry so we shouldn't act like that. No hint of suspicion at all there. I pointed that out to him and asked him if what he was thinking at the time of the original post and his response was:

On September 28 2012 11:08 Sinensis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 07:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:
No, do you?
"Ur useless!"
"No ur useless!"
"No ur uselesser!"
Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.


When you say something like "I'm making a note of it" to me that suggests that you're implying there's something scummy going on but you don't want to come right out and say what it is, but that's not what I'm getting from this last response. Were you suspicious of how we were interacting?


Mafia members sometimes have useless little disagreements like you were doing, especially early on, in order to create distance between them in the town's eyes. So I made a note of it.


So now his stance is that he was suspicious of us maybe being mafia and faking a disagreement. I see no consistency between his first post and his last.

He has also completely disregarded my defense, and something I want to point out about his case against me is this:

On September 28 2012 13:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets.

So if I were to not go after other people that would somehow be better than what I've been doing? Well of course not. So how are you making the distinction that I'm trying to direct attention from myself? Are the accusations or questions I've posted scummy looking? Basically it seems like you are accusing me of "too much scumhunting" without going into detail about how the scumhunting looks suspicious.

Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.


I'm trying to disrupt communication? So I'm just supposed to sit back and let everyone talk to each other and then come in afterwards with my read without being able to ask people questions beforehand? And I think "rarely follow through" is an exaggeration. Which "nitpicks" do you have a problem with? Is your concern about the number of them or the usefulness of them?

What I want you to be more specific about is exact cases you're accusing me over. Tell me which ones you're actually talking about. You've just made some general statements about my play without actually saying which specific examples you think are scummy and why, and honestly I'm a little wary about how genuine your intentions are.


He makes a case against me that's full of general statements about my play. I address each of his concerns and ask for specific examples of what I've done is scummy. He responds by not answering or talking about a single thing I posted in that defense and brushes it aside and votes for me.

##Unvote
##Vote Sinensis
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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