EPTThe only time you give your scumreads is when someone asks you for them and you give them with barely any explanation.
VE who is an obvious pick.
BC because he's afk.
Why aren't you tunneling people like you usually do?
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kushm4sta
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The only time you give your scumreads is when someone asks you for them and you give them with barely any explanation. VE who is an obvious pick. BC because he's afk. Why aren't you tunneling people like you usually do? | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
want me to fake it for you? | ||
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Hapahauli
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On October 07 2012 11:33 Coagulation wrote: I dont know whos scum yet want me to fake it for you? nah I can empathize with that position. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
i am bad at this game just like you | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Soft Defense of Playbad Vets This group is being FOSed by a lot of people (including me) just because they have very low activity and they are known to be good and experienced mafia players. This group definitely includes but is not probably not limited to: BloodyC0bbler, Keirathi, VisceraEyes To use their inactivity as a scumtell I think is unfair. Here is why: There are too many of them to all be scum. Therefore something else must be causing vets to afk
If you read their activity before they start lurking, it's mostly decent and what you'd expect. I propose we focus on scum targets with more evidence than "they usually play better." | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 07 2012 13:09 kushm4sta wrote: fuck me I'm triple posting... this is why you don't post 1 liners I guess. Soft Defense of Playbad Vets This group is being FOSed by a lot of people (including me) just because they have very low activity and they are known to be good and experienced mafia players. This group definitely includes but is not probably not limited to: BloodyC0bbler, Keirathi, VisceraEyes To use their inactivity as a scumtell I think is unfair. Here is why: There are too many of them to all be scum. Therefore something else must be causing vets to afk
If you read their activity before they start lurking, it's mostly decent and what you'd expect. I propose we focus on scum targets with more evidence than "they usually play better." Wat. 1) I'm not a vet by any means. I'm relatively new to these forums (I think I started in June? July? I have like 6 games played, and 2 currently going). I certainly haven't lost my passion for the game. I had some outside things interfere with the game, and then we've had what...5 days worth of confirmed scum to lynch. My other game is just more urgent than this one. 2) There are a ton of things in my filter to accuse me for, besides inactivity. Hell, I don't even think that me being inactive is the reason anyone is accusing me, outside of the fact that I asked you why you signed up if you weren't going to play, then have proceeded to not give the game much attention. But mostly its because, although I was quite active on day 1, I haven't done any scumhunting. The fact that seem to be randomly giving me a town read and saying to look for better targets is hella fucking suspicious. There's basically no way anyone should have a town read on me right now in this game. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
DPs case against you boils down to a few points: Your attitude is aggressive. You didn't scumhunt enough (I would say is due to general inactivity). You didn't explain your vote on KJ enough. (I think you explained as much as most people and more than me.) You left your vote on KJ even though he wasn't going to be lynched. You explain your vote for marv. You say you are slow when voting for marv. Your increased level of not giving a shit. None of which are scumtells IMO. So now your method of scumhunting is saying "why don't you think I'm scum?" #1 this line is caused by guilt for inactivity #2 also it is in itself a way of scum hunting in which you don't have to pay close attention. You just have to scan for your name to be mentioned. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On October 07 2012 06:11 Promethelax wrote: Interesting. I hadn't noticed this. So do you feel that both Coag and Shio are scum? How about VE who Coag is also reacting to poorly when called out by. Matt and Risk, where in the bloody hells are you? You have only come back to the thread to write off my questioning of you and summarily vanished again. What are your reads, what has changed for you after the Night Kills? Yeah Coag for reasons I've made already. Shiao cause he isn't playing to his meta and that list of reads. It irks me that his top reads hadn't been mentioned at all and seemed to be a meshing together of people that were viewed as scummy in the thread. His fuba case was basically a rehash of fuba's day 1 actions, not having an ounce of analysis. + Show Spoiler + On October 04 2012 02:28 ShiaoPi wrote: okay I am heading to bed now, sharing this before I do so: mkfuba07: First thing that struck me was the timing of the early game movements fuba did with marv. This + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 07:19 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm back from class and should be here until the lynch. Like marv I may have to reconsider KJ. If he's bound to give himself away with his actions pretty quickly, then I can wait it out. I never found his "spy slip" scummy, just his interaction with Kei where he seemed to be implying that Kei was scummy, only to follow it up by saying he didn't say that. It could be considered as an accusation and distancing, but it could just be statement of facts as he saw them. My problem is that I'm not sure about voting for kush or shady. I'm not a fan of how either of them are playing, but I don't necessarily get scum from them. Shady is being incredibly strange with his absence, but that's not in keeping with either his town or scum metas. I didn't like Kush's policy lynch because "shady was mean to me", but that also doesn't tell me anything about his alignment. I'm going to take a look at austin. I'll also probably think a bit about mementoss, just 'cause. On October 02 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote: Your point on austin is way better though, BC There are a couple of things about austin: - he gives way too much thought and time to setup speculation and shenannies and can go off on tangents. So with that alone I wouldn't find him banging on about spy that relevant, except for two things (which you mention) - the fact that it specifies pretty damn clearly in the OP that all available role names are known to us - that's all he's talked about having been absent for a long time. If you're gonna derp around talking about setup and spy lololol you'd imagine you'd at least fucking read the setup first. Gonna give his filter another look. Anyway I'm gonna unvote kj for now ##unvote Only half an hour passes and fuba is here: + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 07:46 mkfuba07 wrote: What bothers me most about austin is what's already been said: he apologizes for his absence, and then follows it up by only mentioning the spy-slip. Is that really all there is to talk about right now? His first post of the game also bothers me. You'd think that since it was such a "fun night" he would have a lot to comment on, but for over 24 hours all he mentions is how something kush has said isn't as scummy as some people apparently find it. After that he gets trapped in spy-slip land, when that issue can be resolved by reading the OP. He's posted a lot (comparatively) and yet has said little except that he didn't find kush too scummy hours ago. Not sure if scummy or just busy+confused... While his vote comes later at around 8:30 timestamp, keep this in mind for the bigger picture. Now to his voting behaviour closer to lynch + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 12:33 mkfuba07 wrote: ##Unvote Austin's posts since returning have made me throw that vote out the window. As for Node's posting frequency, I don't see that as much different than his behavior in DN mafia... Does he normally contribute more? As for his content, I see the slight "lie" but I can see no reason to intentionally "lie" like that as scum. What would he gain? Of the two on the block right now, I'd rather vote for Shady. As I said before, I'm not naturally inclined to vote for him D1, but I don't want to vote for someone who I haven't seen anything scummy from. While I didn't see his excuse for trolling as terribly scummy, and I believe his absence could be explained somehow, the fact that he hasn't done it or actively participated in any way since his last post makes me want him gone. ##Vote Shady Sands He now is content with a shady lynch before switching it up again after half an hour + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 13:05 mkfuba07 wrote: Ugh, this is driving me crazy. I'm not a huge fan of any of the possibilities... I'm going to change my vote again. If we can get a better replacement for Shady I think keeping him in is going to be better than keeping Node in. I got completely screwed in DN Mafia because it was down to Node, myself, another pretty inactive player, and scum marv, and there was no discussion. I don't want to be in that situation again. Not sure if this will do anything, but: ##Unvote ##Vote Node Now why the hell does he bank on a modkill (that like in 99% of the cases does not come) and tries to lynch node again? Feels a lot like confusing town and disrupting us in the crucial timeperiod around lynch. After the lynch he gets asked about an update on Node and he gives out this: + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2012 06:25 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm still feeling really stupid for not being able to understand what's so scummy about Node's defense of Shady. There were plenty of good players voting for Node, and as town OR scum I don't see them voting for someone for stupid reasons. Despite what you've said before, I have been reading the thread. My reading comprehension being as crappy as it is, I can't pinpoint what makes his defense scummy. Did scum Node gain something from lying in his defense of Shady? Or was it just that he appeared to not be reading the thread, and is trying to participate with a minimum of effort/gaining some town-cred for defending town-Shady? Or something else entirely that I haven't considered because I'm bad at this game? ...(checking through filters)... ...And now, having more closely checked the the timestamps, which I incorrectly read last time, Node's jumped up quite a bit in scumminess. When I looked the first time, I missed the fact that the two posts (shady's last post where he actually made a read at all, and Node's defense) were on different days. I thought Node's happened within hours of Shady's FoS on kush, so I didn't really see it as too absurd for him to say that Shady had been pushing targets. I think I now understand why the defense was scummy (and I feel like a dumbass for not being able to read). Shady did nothing to warrant defending him, and the fact that Node defended him, with evidence that was the opposite of the truth, is strange. The fact that Node seemed to have reasons to find Shady town when the evidence he provides is contrived makes me think that he had another reason to believe Shady to be town that he didn't want to mention. Thus, Node seems scummy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this feels right to me. Basically you can sum it up as "I dunno, he seems scummy" It's a great wall of fluff besides the timestamp remark. Keeps pushing node and throws annul into the mix as scum as well for being against the node lynch. Now after the nightphase resolves and marv is as good as confirmed scum through his reactions he goes after VE. While I can understand it (having made suspicions on VE as well) it feels quite sudden. No mentions of VE earlier and no more mentioning of Node. He also occasionally calls mementoss out (which is pretty easy to do anyway). Summarizing: I think there is a decent chance for fuba to flip scum, reasoning: fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play, continued to try to push for Node but as soon as marv gets outed he switches onto VE with no more mentioning of Node, whom he previously had targeted quite extensively. What happened to your Node read fuba? On another note, BKE, what have you been doing all game long? Who is your highest read besides the no-brainer vote on marv? Coags response to VE(clicky!) seems closer to the Austin response, and VE had a deeper accusation so Im not going to draw a scumread from that alone. VE's meta has been changing drastically in the last few games Ive played with him, so its hard to get a good read. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
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kushm4sta
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@broodkingexe Why do you have a scumread on Matt? Is it just because he's been afk and hasn't responded? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
Like it seriously boggles the mind that you keep defending keir. EVEN KEIR THINKS SO. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
Shiao Pi Mattchew BloodyC0bbler These are experienced players that have had almost zero thread presence since I replaced in to the game. I mean I think Kush is scummy as shit. But at least he is making a contribution and posting. Even if his posts are crap. They exist and he has thread presence. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On October 07 2012 16:20 DarthPunk wrote: Also. Where the fuck are: Shiao Pi Mattchew BloodyC0bbler These are experienced players that have had almost zero thread presence since I replaced in to the game. I mean I think Kush is scummy as shit. But at least he is making a contribution and posting. Even if his posts are crap. They exist and he has thread presence. sup I am here, whatcha want? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
How about you do some scum hunting? Be the annoying townie that caught both scum at LYLO and would not be swayed by me flaming you for two days straight. I think you are scum. Your meta is different. Your cases lacked scum hunting and did not feel genuine. The case on you by toutestchaos was really strong. You clearly don't give a shit about town. If this is your town play. I really wish you played like this in LVII, as it would have made our win far, far easier. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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Seeing all of you call for my death because of "meta" is so fucking ridiculous. If you want to meta-analyse me then do it properly by only comparing the bigger games (LVI, LVII) and the first cycles in there, see any difference? I am playing like I always do in large games..... LVII was a whole different matter DP, you know that just as well as I do, the situations are not even remotely comparable. The case of our french dude was weak, I already answered it. I do give a shit about town, I just get lazy since we got 2 cycles of 100%-red lynches now already. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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DarthPunk
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On October 07 2012 17:29 ShiaoPi wrote: DP, you know my meta, I am a horribly bad townie in the first couple of cycles, always lurking around and stuff, now I tried to make an effort earlier with the fuba-case (granted not very good) and I get called out for that shizzle. Seeing all of you call for my death because of "meta" is so fucking ridiculous. If you want to meta-analyse me then do it properly by only comparing the bigger games (LVI, LVII) and the first cycles in there, see any difference? I am playing like I always do in large games..... LVII was a whole different matter DP, you know that just as well as I do, the situations are not even remotely comparable. The case of our french dude was weak, I already answered it. I do give a shit about town, I just get lazy since we got 2 cycles of 100%-red lynches now already. The difference is that you made a weak case. And in your town meta you do not make weak cases. YOu make no cases and then you catch 2 scum at LYLO. That is just my experience though. However. Touestchaos' case was good and he clearly knows your meta better than I do. He was also clearly a better player than me. He also DIED after calling both yourself and kush out. I can Understand | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
I can understand about being bored as shit with the Paramedic thing. But if you don;t get your shit together along with keir and others. I will come for you. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Do meta properly if you do so, seriously. Your thoughts about toutestchaos dying after fingering me and kush is wifom and you know it. | ||
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