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Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
October 06 2012 19:02 GMT
#1521
whatever im gonna ignore anyone that brings it up again. Its clearly old news and not a scumslip of any form shape or size.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
October 06 2012 19:17 GMT
#1522
On October 07 2012 03:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Coagulation
My main issue with coag's play hasn't been his inactivity. It's the fact that when asked for his scumreads, he invariably chooses people for reasons he himself is guilty of. Most recently he threw out myself and BC as scumreads, citing activity.

Ok that's a flat out misinterpretation.
On October 06 2012 05:58 Coagulation wrote:
Ve is scummy cause of his activity levels in comparison to other games and he gives up after his butt buddy marv gets lynched is very telling.

BC is scummy because he basically has no problem ignoring anything outside of the town spotlight. very un BC like.

Coag cites two reasons for VE and one for BC. For VE it is a meta-activity read, and giving up. For BC it is where his attention is directed (also meta-enforced read). At most 1 of three are activity based, and that itself means nothing because he is comparing town VE's activity to this game's VE. For it to be hypocrisy is for town Coag's activity to vary from this game's Coag.

Additionally VE chooses to focus on the could-be scumslip instead of fleshing out his main issue, Coag's supposed hypocrisy.

Inactivity is a coin-toss for alignment. Direct misinterpretation is not.


Also,
##Vote Hapahauli
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 06 2012 19:20 GMT
#1523
^really listen to this guy

except for 'dat vote. It's wrong. I'm a cute kitten - didn't you see my breadcrumb?
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 06 2012 19:29 GMT
#1524
On October 07 2012 03:37 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2012 03:23 Promethelax wrote:
On October 07 2012 03:15 Keirathi wrote:
On October 07 2012 03:10 kushm4sta wrote:
@promethelax
What else can they do but give up?? The paramedic leaves zero doubt.

Of course it leaves doubt. Both of those breadcrumbs were anything but subtle. If scum saw fuba's (especially after losing their godfather and being paranoid about paramedic), they could have potentially shot him to frame Hapa.

The problem is, you still lynch Hapa anyways. There's just too much chance that the paramedic died using his ability rather than being shot.

So, there's plausible doubt, but not enough to get out of a lynch.


I would argue that the first bread crumb was pretty subtle since no one knew about the role. The second one was more subtle as a claim because the role was known but easier to decipher because the role was known.

If my math is right though scum has two kp and the third townie death was Fuba by targeting Hapa. Also if hapa was town this would never be his response.

Kier, you aren't dumb (believe me I know, you called my ass out when I was scum) but this post is just introducing doubt where there is none, you don't consider the actions of the players being accused. You have successfully posted while adding nothing to the thread; why did you post this?

What math? Where does it say anything about how much KP the mafia has? Or, how many mafia there are?

How can you do math when you don't know the variables?


About the last part, I was talking purely from a hypothetical standpoint. Hapa is 100% confirmed scum, because his actions aren't consistent with what a framed townie would do. They're what a caught scum does. The fact that you asked him to fight instead of give up, then calling me out for saying the reason that he COULD have fought (even if we wouldn't have believed him) is hypocritical as fuck.


Sorry, that isn't clear, I use "if my math is right" to mean based on what I think I've figured out. It seems like there have been caimed vig shots/death by being a paramedic which encompass all the kills but two each night. If your understanding is different I'd love to hear it.

Sorry I miss understood you, you are right he could have fought and (I think) should have fought. You are right, hypothetically the paramedic death doesn't give us confirmed scum. Scum is giving us confirmed scum after they are probable scum based on the paramedic role.

Kush:
On October 07 2012 03:44 kushm4sta wrote:
This pseudo fight between coag and prometh..why are you nitpicking each other so hard?
Hapa is confirmed scum. This is agreed upon by everyone.
Keirathi was saying why it's possible HYPOTHETICALLY that he could be framed.

I'm trying to assume you aren't an idiot but all you are doing is reiterating what everyone else says and than claiming that it is obvious. If it is obvious why are you saying it? Can you tell me why Risk, Kier and Coag seem guilty to you. Not why they seem guilty to me or to VE or to anyone else. Why are they guilty to you?


@Coag and VE, I don't think that is a scum slip it seems like a read posted on impulse into the thread with no back-up. However coag's reaction to being called out for it makes me think of him as scummy, he is focused on, and angry about, this scum slip. He hasn't talked about the rest of the (minimal) case that VE presented. I am always very angry when I am scum and someone calls something I don't view as a slip a slip because they have caught me by 'being lucky/dumb' which sucks.
Coag, if you are town please present a defense of the accusation instead of an attack on the slip. I get it, you aren't happy that this is being a scum slip. But your reaction is to spam up the thread with one liners which add nothing to the thread. Give me something that is a case or a response to the case on you.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 06 2012 19:33 GMT
#1525
Ok ok. I figured out the game for real this time!

iamperfection Paramedic
Thrawn2112 Paramedic
BloodyC0bbler Paramedic
marvellosity Cuddly Puppy
mkfuba07 Seal Clubber
ShiaoPi Paramedic
austinmcc Paramedic
Mattchew Paramedic
risk.nuke Paramedic
Coagulation paramedic
Z-BosoN Paramedic
Risen Seal Clubber
Keirathi Paramedic
Promethelax Paramedic
VisceraEyes Paramedic
DarthPunk Paramedic
slOosh Paramedic
annul Paramedic
Hapahauli Oprah
Kreb Paramedic
Mementoss Paramedic
Shady Sands Paramedic
kushm4sta Paramedic
kingjames01 Paramedic
BroodKingEXE Paramedic

Look at your PM boxes...

You're a paramedic!
...and you're a paramedic!
...and you're a paramedic!

EVERYBODY'S A PARAMEDIC! YEAAAAAAAH!
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 06 2012 19:37 GMT
#1526
On October 07 2012 04:29 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2012 03:37 Keirathi wrote:
On October 07 2012 03:23 Promethelax wrote:
On October 07 2012 03:15 Keirathi wrote:
On October 07 2012 03:10 kushm4sta wrote:
@promethelax
What else can they do but give up?? The paramedic leaves zero doubt.

Of course it leaves doubt. Both of those breadcrumbs were anything but subtle. If scum saw fuba's (especially after losing their godfather and being paranoid about paramedic), they could have potentially shot him to frame Hapa.

The problem is, you still lynch Hapa anyways. There's just too much chance that the paramedic died using his ability rather than being shot.

So, there's plausible doubt, but not enough to get out of a lynch.


I would argue that the first bread crumb was pretty subtle since no one knew about the role. The second one was more subtle as a claim because the role was known but easier to decipher because the role was known.

If my math is right though scum has two kp and the third townie death was Fuba by targeting Hapa. Also if hapa was town this would never be his response.

Kier, you aren't dumb (believe me I know, you called my ass out when I was scum) but this post is just introducing doubt where there is none, you don't consider the actions of the players being accused. You have successfully posted while adding nothing to the thread; why did you post this?

What math? Where does it say anything about how much KP the mafia has? Or, how many mafia there are?

How can you do math when you don't know the variables?


About the last part, I was talking purely from a hypothetical standpoint. Hapa is 100% confirmed scum, because his actions aren't consistent with what a framed townie would do. They're what a caught scum does. The fact that you asked him to fight instead of give up, then calling me out for saying the reason that he COULD have fought (even if we wouldn't have believed him) is hypocritical as fuck.


Sorry, that isn't clear, I use "if my math is right" to mean based on what I think I've figured out. It seems like there have been caimed vig shots/death by being a paramedic which encompass all the kills but two each night. If your understanding is different I'd love to hear it.

So, lets think about night 1 a bit. 3 people died: Risen (paramedic, who died from targetting scum), Annul (who you claimed your predecessor shot), and kingjames01 (scum shot? a secong vig? doesn't really matter).

Then, on the second night, 3 people still died. A paramedic, again assumed to have targetted scum. Tout, who was being pretty pro-town and therefor a probable scum shot, and austin whom no one has claimed shooting, and therefor probably a scum shot.

You can see why I'm screwy on your guessing game math. Because supposedly we had a vig shot, night 1, and not one on night 2, but still the same amount of kills. Yea, its possible that there was a medic save night 1, or any number of things, but I think any kind of extrapolation of scum numbers and KP at this point is EXTREMELY speculative. To suggest otherwise makes me question if you have extra information that I don't.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 06 2012 19:43 GMT
#1527
@ Prom

Sorry I miss understood you, you are right he could have fought and (I think) should have fought. You are right, hypothetically the paramedic death doesn't give us confirmed scum. Scum is giving us confirmed scum after they are probable scum based on the paramedic role.


There's no way for me to fight it. You should know.

I mean look at this: (click!)

Should be really obvious.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 06 2012 19:47 GMT
#1528
On October 07 2012 04:37 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2012 04:29 Promethelax wrote:
On October 07 2012 03:37 Keirathi wrote:
On October 07 2012 03:23 Promethelax wrote:
On October 07 2012 03:15 Keirathi wrote:
On October 07 2012 03:10 kushm4sta wrote:
@promethelax
What else can they do but give up?? The paramedic leaves zero doubt.

Of course it leaves doubt. Both of those breadcrumbs were anything but subtle. If scum saw fuba's (especially after losing their godfather and being paranoid about paramedic), they could have potentially shot him to frame Hapa.

The problem is, you still lynch Hapa anyways. There's just too much chance that the paramedic died using his ability rather than being shot.

So, there's plausible doubt, but not enough to get out of a lynch.


I would argue that the first bread crumb was pretty subtle since no one knew about the role. The second one was more subtle as a claim because the role was known but easier to decipher because the role was known.

If my math is right though scum has two kp and the third townie death was Fuba by targeting Hapa. Also if hapa was town this would never be his response.

Kier, you aren't dumb (believe me I know, you called my ass out when I was scum) but this post is just introducing doubt where there is none, you don't consider the actions of the players being accused. You have successfully posted while adding nothing to the thread; why did you post this?

What math? Where does it say anything about how much KP the mafia has? Or, how many mafia there are?

How can you do math when you don't know the variables?


About the last part, I was talking purely from a hypothetical standpoint. Hapa is 100% confirmed scum, because his actions aren't consistent with what a framed townie would do. They're what a caught scum does. The fact that you asked him to fight instead of give up, then calling me out for saying the reason that he COULD have fought (even if we wouldn't have believed him) is hypocritical as fuck.


Sorry, that isn't clear, I use "if my math is right" to mean based on what I think I've figured out. It seems like there have been caimed vig shots/death by being a paramedic which encompass all the kills but two each night. If your understanding is different I'd love to hear it.

So, lets think about night 1 a bit. 3 people died: Risen (paramedic, who died from targetting scum), Annul (who you claimed your predecessor shot), and kingjames01 (scum shot? a secong vig? doesn't really matter).

Then, on the second night, 3 people still died. A paramedic, again assumed to have targetted scum. Tout, who was being pretty pro-town and therefor a probable scum shot, and austin whom no one has claimed shooting, and therefor probably a scum shot.

You can see why I'm screwy on your guessing game math. Because supposedly we had a vig shot, night 1, and not one on night 2, but still the same amount of kills. Yea, its possible that there was a medic save night 1, or any number of things, but I think any kind of extrapolation of scum numbers and KP at this point is EXTREMELY speculative. To suggest otherwise makes me question if you have extra information that I don't.

On October 03 2012 23:18 austinmcc wrote:
Okay I was definitely hit last night. Thanks for the prot.

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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 06 2012 19:48 GMT
#1529
The information I have that you don't is reading the goddamn thread.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 06 2012 19:51 GMT
#1530
Yeah... why don't I read the goddamn thread? Bah me.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
October 06 2012 19:53 GMT
#1531
@prome your reasons became my reasons when i read them
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 06 2012 19:54 GMT
#1532
brb with some more emotional appeals
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 06 2012 19:56 GMT
#1533
On October 07 2012 04:53 kushm4sta wrote:
@prome your reasons became my reasons when i read them


Kush, why are you sheeping me? Do you have a town read on me? If not what the hell are you doing and if you do great, help me by doing some work of your own instead of spamming as much as the confirmed scum.

Your play makes me sad.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 06 2012 19:57 GMT
#1534
You make me sad =(

I'm obv Oprah. Didn't you see my breadcrumb?
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
October 06 2012 19:59 GMT
#1535
@prome You are a null read for me but you make good cases.

The only thing I sheeped you on was risk because you made a good case and he was already looking scummy to me,

I thought iamp perfect might be scum but I looked at his filter and I changed my mind.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 06 2012 20:14 GMT
#1536
On October 07 2012 04:48 Promethelax wrote:
The information I have that you don't is reading the goddamn thread.

Touche.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 06 2012 20:17 GMT
#1537
Promethelax 1
Keirathi 0
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 06 2012 20:19 GMT
#1538
... but the points don't matter! That's right! The points are like good scum play in a game with paramedics!

[image loading]
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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
October 06 2012 20:45 GMT
#1539
Keir you still haven't commented on VE vs Coag
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 06 2012 20:49 GMT
#1540
But I have already!

On October 07 2012 03:47 Hapahauli wrote:
VE, kush, coag, Kei, and Prom are scummy townie scummy town scums.

Actually they're all Paramedics.


I also believe you are a scummy townie scummy town scums for the record. DEFEND THYSELF!
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