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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 08 2012 20:24 GMT
#1737
It's only almost 100% for sure for you because you know your role. We don't know if you're lying so it's the same bet for us - chance lynching a scum off analysis (that player) or chance lynching a 3rd off analysis (your play, BC's play).

That's a claim though. The whole "suboptimal play" thing lends weight to your claim for me. Although arguably I think it was better this way - assuming you're telling the truth it gives scum a chance to try and discredit you and shit, and you said you won't be around for a deadline post anyway.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 08 2012 20:27 GMT
#1740
On October 09 2012 05:27 Coagulation wrote:
lynch bc. I dont feel kush is scum.


Why. THIS. WHY? EXPLAIN YOURSELF!
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 08 2012 20:54 GMT
#1752
On October 09 2012 05:38 kushm4sta wrote:
I do not agree with VEs doubt that momentoss might be scum.
I think he is completely telling the truth. It perfectly explains my theory.

So another 2 days with an obvious lynch target....so cool.


I never said I thought mementoss is scum. I said he might be scum. And he might be.

My position was actually that I lean toward believing his claim, based on the preamble of "suboptimal play inc". But you know, feel free to continue to misrepresent my position in a horribly scummy manner. It will make it that much easier to lynch you in the days to come.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 08 2012 21:17 GMT
#1763
On October 09 2012 06:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
EBWOP

It also forces mafia into trying to figure out if you are infact a vet, got medic prot, or both. It makes them speculate on a role that may or not exist and thus potentially fuck with their night shots. Not sure why people think this is a big deal.


Except you did that for them with the claim by thanking a magical medic - you wanted them to specifically think that you were medic protected. Why?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 08 2012 21:18 GMT
#1765
BTW I'm not trying to make this into "a big deal"...I'm trying to discern the truth from the lies from the gray area in-between.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 08 2012 21:36 GMT
#1771
I may or may not buy it - but I think BC is not tomorrow's lynch.

I prefer Kush.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 08 2012 22:10 GMT
#1789
On October 09 2012 07:05 kushm4sta wrote:
VE why are you so hard on my ass all of a sudden?
First you lie about suspecting coag.
Then you say you are going to look through my past games to figure out if I'm a moron or scum. Did you do that? I hope not because it would be a collosal waste of time given how limited your time must be to justify your lack of contributions to this game.
But if you actually did that then kudos to you. You should have come to the conclusion that I am indeed a moron. So why are you so suspicious of me? Because marv and hapa defended me? Well scum node attacked me. I think mafia see me as an easy target and use me to distance themselves from each other.
I am an easy scum target because I have acted superficially scummy.


I'll build a case when I have time. In the meantime, keep defending yourself against accusations I haven't made. I'm finding the reading incredibly interesting.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 08 2012 22:27 GMT
#1792
On October 09 2012 07:22 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 07:09 Keirathi wrote:
That I almost 100% believe Mementoss's claim at this point.

As far as BC...I think its about 50/50 whether he's SK or Vet. We don't know enough about the scum numbers or KP to be able to decidedly prove that there's an SK, IMO. And claiming that he was medic protected as a Vet does make some modicum of sense. Its probably what I would do if I knew there were save notifications (ie austin).

I'm...not sure he's worth lynching tomorrow. Even if he is SK, SK at this point is probably wants to shoot townies but doesn't want to overlap his shots. So he would be aiming for less obvious townies (which could be beneficial to us, as it gets rid of some controversial townies), and may end up inadvertently hitting scum.

My next read is going to be about risk.nuke. I'm going through some logs and checking a previous game. I'll post it soon.


People keep saying how ahead we are, is that really true? do you think we're at a 13-2-1 situation right now or 12-3-1 or what? I see those still being pretty balanced. We've lost some power roles, scum has lost their GF. And, most importantly, we have had almost no discussion for two cycles. How do you see us as so far ahead of scum that SK wants to eliminate townies?

VE, Kier, thanks for participating. Its nice to see you guys posting more.
VE: if Kush were to be Vig'd who would you want to lynch next Day?
Kier: What do you think of our lurking contingent, there are a lot of good players not joining in, which of the is towniest and which scummiest?


Tentatively ZBoson. He was quick on the Node wagon on D1 if memory serves, which was what made me start reading him in the first place...however he was also quick off it. He expressed pretty serious suspicion of myself and Coag which he has never revisited (to my knowledge - I have not done a thorough reread.)

I'm going to go over some of the interactions, but yeah ZBoson is my second highest scum read.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 08 2012 23:37 GMT
#1800
That whole case has 4 quotes from me, and you didn't comment on any of them.

However, you've quoted marv extensively and even yourself a couple of times, with plenty of comment on those posts.

As such, there's nothing for me to respond to. Have a nice day Kreb.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 08 2012 23:48 GMT
#1802
Interesting choice of words - I think Kreb is a fine player. I just think his case is bad because it mostly revolves around marvellosity...a crafty, very skilled scum player that we will NOT be WIFOMing today.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 09 2012 00:06 GMT
#1804
I have no excuse. Real life got in the way.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 09 2012 02:54 GMT
#1814
Its true...I enjpy playing with marv and so appear to "bddy up" every game I'm in with marv. We are both aware of thos tendancy and so both do it regardless of alignment.

But feel free to take that with a grain of salt.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 09 2012 05:45 GMT
#1831
I am 100% in favor of a kush lynch.

##Vote: kush

I'm heading to bed, but I'll be finishing up my reread and posting thoughts in depth tomorrow (real time).
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 09 2012 05:52 GMT
#1833
Node's relative activity versus kush' relative activity? Node possible modkill, kush active "lynchbait" - I can see it happening. I mean, not even factoring in the fact that this is marv I can see it happening.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 09 2012 06:01 GMT
#1834
And for the record, I believe both Mementoss and BC for the time being. I've never heard of watchers that see their targets leave - the way I understood it was Watchers function like a camera pointed at the front door - seeing people visiting, but the occupant can leave via the back door and so cannot see the occupant leave. However I've only played in one game as a watcher.

Therefor, like Kei, I believe that BC might actually believe that's how watchers function and as such would immediately jump to the conclusion that Mementoss is scum. This is a mystery we can unravel later though. In the meantime I'd like to hear what both of them have to say about today's lynch.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 09 2012 06:02 GMT
#1835
And again guys - I apologize for the AFKness.

Ninight.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 09 2012 15:03 GMT
#1890
I'd really be interested to hear what BC and Mattchew and risk.nuke have to say about kush.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 09 2012 15:10 GMT
#1891
On October 09 2012 23:49 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 23:38 kushm4sta wrote:
Something that bugs me about RB and my suspicions of VE:
It's risky to lie about a roleblock.
We have had 2 rb claims this game, VE and momentoss.
The lack of RB claims makes it seem like there is only 1 RB.
The fact that momentoss was RB means that there is a scum RB.
If there is only 1 RB and it is scum, a scum VE getting roleblocked is impossible.
So either:
1he lied about getting rb (the real scum rb died that night)
2he's town
3there is also a town rb and people just aren't claiming
Disregarding his play, 2 seems the most likely.


The way kush is able to think logically about his top scum read and retract it makes me think kush is town. I do not like his lynch any more.


We'll see how strong that "retraction" is in time, Mementoss. Words are easy. My suspicion of Kush isn't going anywhere, and OMGUS is going to be calling quite clearly.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 09 2012 15:17 GMT
#1895
I think he's spent the entire game flopping around on his reads and can't present a coherent argument for anything. I think he's misrepresented my posts quite horribly, and when I stated my initial suspicion of him (as you said, I didn't say why) he became immediately defensive - defending points I hadn't even raised even.

Kush fits the bill for newbie scum trying to blend in with town. Look at his D1 play when everyone was screaming at Shady. He slipped that he knew Shady would flip town, but wanted to kill him anyway.

If WIFOM is more your speed, Annul called him out on it, and annul died.

He's certainly scum. We should be lynching Kush today.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 09 2012 15:22 GMT
#1897
On October 10 2012 00:16 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 00:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'd really be interested to hear what BC and Mattchew and risk.nuke have to say about kush.

hey you i just want to check if my posts are invisible to you. Kush brings up a good point abut the role block stuff but your actions in this game still hav eme concerned.

Once again why did you think that marvs flip had anything to do with nodes alignment?

Plus why aren't you suspicious of me at all i have been yelling ve for a while now and you havent even responded to me. If you are town what do you think of me pushing you?


Aren't both of the players you're asking about dead? Why does it matter?

If you have some kind of reason to suspect me then tell me about it now, while I'm here. I'm digging through the thread already trying to get Kush lynched. If it's coherent and you believe in it then you can sum it up for me. Until then, suffice to say that I realize I don't look great because of my activity, but honestly I think I've played a much more town game since I've come back. As for why I don't suspect you....

.....do you want me to suspect you? Why would you ask that? Nothing has jumped out at me as overtly scummy in your play, but I haven't read thoroughly, as I've said. I can certainly go back and take a look if you like, but right now I'm trying to lynch kush.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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