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I would like to welcome to the thread two of my favorite players.
@ promthelax
I see no reason to not believe your claim i welcome you my fellow town bro.
@hapahauli
On October 06 2012 06:45 Hapahauli wrote:Still catching up, but this caught my eye: Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 06:37 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm just to lazy to build a case before the nightflip. I'm always watching the thread incase someone decides to pull some shenanigans. As for why I'm not posting. I consider the atleast last 20 pages useless shit and I haven't seen a point in joining the conversations that's been had. Shouldn't you be much more concerned about death than this if you are town?
This is some weak ass shit. For someone who says the are cathing up on the entire thread i call bullshit. If you have been "catching" up to thread like you say you are you would have noticed players have been saying dumb shit like this alllllllllll game. I expect better from you hapa and this first post of yours is very concerning. The player you replaced gave me no reason to think he was town and now you come in with this.
I think your scum and just wanted something to say by casting some idle suspicion while maintaining the facade of activity.
What say you?
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On October 06 2012 09:02 Hapahauli wrote:@ iamperfectionShow nested quote +This is some weak ass shit. For someone who says the are cathing up on the entire thread i call bullshit. If you have been "catching" up to thread like you say you are you would have noticed players have been saying dumb shit like this alllllllllll game. I expect better from you hapa and this first post of yours is very concerning. The player you replaced gave me no reason to think he was town and now you come in with this.
I think your scum and just wanted something to say by casting some idle suspicion while maintaining the facade of activity.
What say you? How is it "weak-ass shit?" It looks pretty damn scummy to me. He doesn't want to build a case before the nightflip... why? In particular, why the nightflip? He didn't simply say he was lazy. He didn't simply say he didn't feel like posting. He didn't want to post until after the nightflip. Problem is, this makes no sense - what would he gain from posting after the nightflip? Nothing. This isn't a lynch flip, it's an NK flip. It's as if he's suggesting a scum NK will help him make his lynch decision. What I find curious is that you decided to chainsaw defend someone who posted something very blatantly scummy. You didn't even comment on it. Instead, you dismissed it, saying that other people have been posting stupid shit. Furthermore, you "think I'm scum" for some very sketchy rationale. You expect me to somehow know that people have been posting "dumb shit" when I replaced in the game an hour ago. How on earth could I read 68 pages of game thread in an hour? Risk isn't posting "dumb shit", he's posting scummy shit. So I find you rather scummy iamperfection. What say you?
my point is people have been posting dumb shit the entire game. Did you not see how the game start?
Also twisting my words nice "chainsaw defend" i don't think i said anything about his alignment. I'm curios why this post in particular stood out so much as opposed to the countless other stupid posts that have been made. From the very START of the game dumb shit has been posted so i find it strange that this post sticks out to you.
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On October 06 2012 09:15 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 09:07 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:02 Hapahauli wrote:@ iamperfectionThis is some weak ass shit. For someone who says the are cathing up on the entire thread i call bullshit. If you have been "catching" up to thread like you say you are you would have noticed players have been saying dumb shit like this alllllllllll game. I expect better from you hapa and this first post of yours is very concerning. The player you replaced gave me no reason to think he was town and now you come in with this.
I think your scum and just wanted something to say by casting some idle suspicion while maintaining the facade of activity.
What say you? How is it "weak-ass shit?" It looks pretty damn scummy to me. He doesn't want to build a case before the nightflip... why? In particular, why the nightflip? He didn't simply say he was lazy. He didn't simply say he didn't feel like posting. He didn't want to post until after the nightflip. Problem is, this makes no sense - what would he gain from posting after the nightflip? Nothing. This isn't a lynch flip, it's an NK flip. It's as if he's suggesting a scum NK will help him make his lynch decision. What I find curious is that you decided to chainsaw defend someone who posted something very blatantly scummy. You didn't even comment on it. Instead, you dismissed it, saying that other people have been posting stupid shit. Furthermore, you "think I'm scum" for some very sketchy rationale. You expect me to somehow know that people have been posting "dumb shit" when I replaced in the game an hour ago. How on earth could I read 68 pages of game thread in an hour? Risk isn't posting "dumb shit", he's posting scummy shit. So I find you rather scummy iamperfection. What say you? my point is people have been posting dumb shit the entire game. Did you not see how the game start? Also twisting my words nice "chainsaw defend" i don't think i said anything about his alignment. I'm curios why this post in particular stood out so much as opposed to the countless other stupid posts that have been made. From the very START of the game dumb shit has been posted so i find it strange that this post sticks out to you. I suggest you look up the definition of chainsaw defend. Here ya go: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tarhalindur_Standard_TellsYou have yet to describe why what risk is saying isn't scummy. Other people saying stupid shit in no way is a valid defense of risk. I find it scummier than the rest of the stuff I have read so far.
what page are you on?
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he could be "gasp" telling the truth.
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so whats your goal finding scummy shit hapa or finding scum almost every single person has said scummy "shit" my goal is to find scum and right now i dont know what you are doing. Unless your scum to which i say hello scum i found you.
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On October 06 2012 09:27 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 09:20 iamperfection wrote:
he could be "gasp" telling the truth. What does that have to do with anything? Do you think he's lying about not wanting to post until after the NK? Seriously? He doesn't want to post after the NK because he's scum. He's telling the truth about that. Or do you think he's teling the truth because he's town? Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 09:19 austinmcc wrote:On October 06 2012 09:11 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:06 austinmcc wrote:On October 06 2012 09:02 Hapahauli wrote:@ iamperfectionThis is some weak ass shit. For someone who says the are cathing up on the entire thread i call bullshit. If you have been "catching" up to thread like you say you are you would have noticed players have been saying dumb shit like this alllllllllll game. I expect better from you hapa and this first post of yours is very concerning. The player you replaced gave me no reason to think he was town and now you come in with this.
I think your scum and just wanted something to say by casting some idle suspicion while maintaining the facade of activity.
What say you? How is it "weak-ass shit?" It looks pretty damn scummy to me. He doesn't want to build a case before the nightflip... why? In particular, why the nightflip? He didn't simply say he was lazy. He didn't simply say he didn't feel like posting. He didn't want to post until after the nightflip. Problem is, this makes no sense - what would he gain from posting after the nightflip? Nothing. This isn't a lynch flip, it's an NK flip. It's as if he's suggesting a scum NK will help him make his lynch decision. What I find curious is that you decided to chainsaw defend someone who posted something very blatantly scummy. You didn't even comment on it. Instead, you dismissed it, saying that other people have been posting stupid shit. Furthermore, you "think I'm scum" for some very sketchy rationale. You expect me to somehow know that people have been posting "dumb shit" when I replaced in the game an hour ago. How on earth could I read 68 pages of game thread in an hour? Risk isn't posting "dumb shit", he's posting scummy shit. So I find you rather scummy iamperfection. What say you? That's not the accusation... There are boatloads of scummy things that have gone on. What you referenced was from 8 minutes before you posted. I believe the accusation is "If you were catching up, why is THIS the first thing that you notice; why did you not find anything before that?" It makes it look like you didn't really "catch up." I addressed that pretty clearly austin. People have been saying some dumb shit, yes. Risk is saying scummy shit, and I think he's scum. Care to tell me why not? You replaced a dude who's scum, btw. I dunno if you read your role pm or not. Sorry. I don't really give a shit what Node did. I'm town, and I'm here to hunt scum - not to defend someone who isn't playing anymore. Again, that's not what's going on here. It's not "risk totes mcgotes town." It's "You read through almost 2 entire cycles and the first thing you found scummy or decided to mention was risk's post from 8 minutes before present day?" You didn't address clearly how that was the first thing you found in catching up, didn't address why there was nothing before that which caught your eye. I've read the recent few pages plus most of D1/N1. As far as I know on D1, Shady said something stupid pregame and got lynched for it. A bunch of people said stupid things in response. Care to tell me what I should find scummier at the moment? Cool story bro.
i dont know or in other words im null on him.
We are talking about you now anyways.
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On October 06 2012 09:28 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 09:20 iamperfection wrote:
he could be "gasp" telling the truth. Nah. My play may not have been a documentary, but it's based on true events. Node was mafia.
no i was talking about risk.nuke
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On October 06 2012 09:31 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 09:22 iamperfection wrote:
so whats your goal finding scummy shit hapa or finding scum almost every single person has said scummy "shit" my goal is to find scum and right now i dont know what you are doing. Unless your scum to which i say hello scum i found you. I told you exactly why it's scummy. Show nested quote +How is it "weak-ass shit?" It looks pretty damn scummy to me. He doesn't want to build a case before the nightflip... why? In particular, why the nightflip? He didn't simply say he was lazy. He didn't simply say he didn't feel like posting. He didn't want to post until after the nightflip.
Problem is, this makes no sense - what would he gain from posting after the nightflip? Nothing. This isn't a lynch flip, it's an NK flip. It's as if he's suggesting a scum NK will help him make his lynch decision. You have not refuted this. You have not criticized this. Instead you offer weak-ass reasons to defend someone - as if other people's behavior somehow vindicates risk's behavior. So tell me why you think risk is town/not-scummy/whatever? You keep saying that he could be telling the truth, but you've never offered reasoning for it.
im null on him i dont see him sticking out for any reason from the rest of the players.
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On October 06 2012 09:31 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 09:22 iamperfection wrote:
so whats your goal finding scummy shit hapa or finding scum almost every single person has said scummy "shit" my goal is to find scum and right now i dont know what you are doing. Unless your scum to which i say hello scum i found you. I told you exactly why it's scummy. Show nested quote +How is it "weak-ass shit?" It looks pretty damn scummy to me. He doesn't want to build a case before the nightflip... why? In particular, why the nightflip? He didn't simply say he was lazy. He didn't simply say he didn't feel like posting. He didn't want to post until after the nightflip.
Problem is, this makes no sense - what would he gain from posting after the nightflip? Nothing. This isn't a lynch flip, it's an NK flip. It's as if he's suggesting a scum NK will help him make his lynch decision. You have not refuted this. You have not criticized this. Instead you offer weak-ass reasons to defend someone - as if other people's behavior somehow vindicates risk's behavior. So tell me why you think risk is town/not-scummy/whatever? You keep saying that he could be telling the truth, but you've never offered reasoning for it.
here a little homework for you. go read kush's filter for me. gogogogogogo tell me what you think
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On October 06 2012 09:37 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote:
here a little homework for you. go read kush's filter for me. gogogogogogo tell me what you think iamperfection scum, no townie would make someone do this.
there is a method to the madness just you wait
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On October 06 2012 09:41 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:31 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:22 iamperfection wrote:
so whats your goal finding scummy shit hapa or finding scum almost every single person has said scummy "shit" my goal is to find scum and right now i dont know what you are doing. Unless your scum to which i say hello scum i found you. I told you exactly why it's scummy. How is it "weak-ass shit?" It looks pretty damn scummy to me. He doesn't want to build a case before the nightflip... why? In particular, why the nightflip? He didn't simply say he was lazy. He didn't simply say he didn't feel like posting. He didn't want to post until after the nightflip.
Problem is, this makes no sense - what would he gain from posting after the nightflip? Nothing. This isn't a lynch flip, it's an NK flip. It's as if he's suggesting a scum NK will help him make his lynch decision. You have not refuted this. You have not criticized this. Instead you offer weak-ass reasons to defend someone - as if other people's behavior somehow vindicates risk's behavior. So tell me why you think risk is town/not-scummy/whatever? You keep saying that he could be telling the truth, but you've never offered reasoning for it. here a little homework for you. go read kush's filter for me. gogogogogogo tell me what you think *gasp* you're telling me that kush posted something scummy?! That's so abnormal. Here's the Newbie XXVI obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/zDzCCmJq78hdrRead my posts (45-47). Believe it or not, Kush being super scummy is not alignment indicative. He's capable of doing this shit as scum or town. However, he does have a discernable meta-difference from when he's scum or town. He tends to be really angry and whine a lot as scum. He's a lot calmer/"logical" when town. A quick readthrough of his filter makes me lean town on him. When he's pressured in this game, he's much calmer (relatively) than his scum games. Read his filter in Newbie XXVII or GSL II Mini to see how he reacts to pressure as scum. It's possible he could've learned from his mistakes, but for now, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
ok now do coagulation.
theres a method...... just do it
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On October 06 2012 09:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 09:43 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:41 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:31 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:22 iamperfection wrote:
so whats your goal finding scummy shit hapa or finding scum almost every single person has said scummy "shit" my goal is to find scum and right now i dont know what you are doing. Unless your scum to which i say hello scum i found you. I told you exactly why it's scummy. How is it "weak-ass shit?" It looks pretty damn scummy to me. He doesn't want to build a case before the nightflip... why? In particular, why the nightflip? He didn't simply say he was lazy. He didn't simply say he didn't feel like posting. He didn't want to post until after the nightflip.
Problem is, this makes no sense - what would he gain from posting after the nightflip? Nothing. This isn't a lynch flip, it's an NK flip. It's as if he's suggesting a scum NK will help him make his lynch decision. You have not refuted this. You have not criticized this. Instead you offer weak-ass reasons to defend someone - as if other people's behavior somehow vindicates risk's behavior. So tell me why you think risk is town/not-scummy/whatever? You keep saying that he could be telling the truth, but you've never offered reasoning for it. here a little homework for you. go read kush's filter for me. gogogogogogo tell me what you think *gasp* you're telling me that kush posted something scummy?! That's so abnormal. Here's the Newbie XXVI obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/zDzCCmJq78hdrRead my posts (45-47). Believe it or not, Kush being super scummy is not alignment indicative. He's capable of doing this shit as scum or town. However, he does have a discernable meta-difference from when he's scum or town. He tends to be really angry and whine a lot as scum. He's a lot calmer/"logical" when town. A quick readthrough of his filter makes me lean town on him. When he's pressured in this game, he's much calmer (relatively) than his scum games. Read his filter in Newbie XXVII or GSL II Mini to see how he reacts to pressure as scum. It's possible he could've learned from his mistakes, but for now, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. ok now do coagulation. theres a method...... just do it I'll admit Coag's filter is quite strange. I'm unsure what to think of it. On the one hand, he really hasn't done much of anything, and he's a vet. On the other hand, he's rather indignant - he's demonstrating a lot of the "I don't give a fuck" attitude that you yourself did in Rockband Mini. When you put these two together... I don't know. I'm pretty null on him. I'd have to look more into his meta to give you a definitive response. That's a project for tomorrow if I'm still alive. I'm much more sold on risk. Secondly, I'm STILL waiting for a response here: Show nested quote +How is it "weak-ass shit?" It looks pretty damn scummy to me. He doesn't want to build a case before the nightflip... why? In particular, why the nightflip? He didn't simply say he was lazy. He didn't simply say he didn't feel like posting. He didn't want to post until after the nightflip.
Problem is, this makes no sense - what would he gain from posting after the nightflip? Nothing. This isn't a lynch flip, it's an NK flip. It's as if he's suggesting a scum NK will help him make his lynch decision. You've still have not explained why I'm wrong here, or why risk can be considered null after this.
i never said you are wrong im just saying i found it strange that the post stuck out to you considering all the other posts that have been made that i would say are very similar.
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also what do you think of me. ill give you a little hint. I don't give a fuck what you think of me.
hehehehehe i entertain myself so much.
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On October 06 2012 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 09:56 iamperfection wrote:
also what do you think of me. ill give you a little hint. I don't give a fuck what you think of me.
hehehehehe i entertain myself so much. Y U NO CARE T_T *cries*
i was trying to help it was a hint!!!
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On October 06 2012 09:59 kushm4sta wrote:
oh just the fbi just took over this investigation
wat
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On October 06 2012 10:00 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 09:53 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:51 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:43 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:41 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:31 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:22 iamperfection wrote:
so whats your goal finding scummy shit hapa or finding scum almost every single person has said scummy "shit" my goal is to find scum and right now i dont know what you are doing. Unless your scum to which i say hello scum i found you. I told you exactly why it's scummy. How is it "weak-ass shit?" It looks pretty damn scummy to me. He doesn't want to build a case before the nightflip... why? In particular, why the nightflip? He didn't simply say he was lazy. He didn't simply say he didn't feel like posting. He didn't want to post until after the nightflip.
Problem is, this makes no sense - what would he gain from posting after the nightflip? Nothing. This isn't a lynch flip, it's an NK flip. It's as if he's suggesting a scum NK will help him make his lynch decision. You have not refuted this. You have not criticized this. Instead you offer weak-ass reasons to defend someone - as if other people's behavior somehow vindicates risk's behavior. So tell me why you think risk is town/not-scummy/whatever? You keep saying that he could be telling the truth, but you've never offered reasoning for it. here a little homework for you. go read kush's filter for me. gogogogogogo tell me what you think *gasp* you're telling me that kush posted something scummy?! That's so abnormal. Here's the Newbie XXVI obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/zDzCCmJq78hdrRead my posts (45-47). Believe it or not, Kush being super scummy is not alignment indicative. He's capable of doing this shit as scum or town. However, he does have a discernable meta-difference from when he's scum or town. He tends to be really angry and whine a lot as scum. He's a lot calmer/"logical" when town. A quick readthrough of his filter makes me lean town on him. When he's pressured in this game, he's much calmer (relatively) than his scum games. Read his filter in Newbie XXVII or GSL II Mini to see how he reacts to pressure as scum. It's possible he could've learned from his mistakes, but for now, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. ok now do coagulation. theres a method...... just do it I'll admit Coag's filter is quite strange. I'm unsure what to think of it. On the one hand, he really hasn't done much of anything, and he's a vet. On the other hand, he's rather indignant - he's demonstrating a lot of the "I don't give a fuck" attitude that you yourself did in Rockband Mini. When you put these two together... I don't know. I'm pretty null on him. I'd have to look more into his meta to give you a definitive response. That's a project for tomorrow if I'm still alive. I'm much more sold on risk. Secondly, I'm STILL waiting for a response here: How is it "weak-ass shit?" It looks pretty damn scummy to me. He doesn't want to build a case before the nightflip... why? In particular, why the nightflip? He didn't simply say he was lazy. He didn't simply say he didn't feel like posting. He didn't want to post until after the nightflip.
Problem is, this makes no sense - what would he gain from posting after the nightflip? Nothing. This isn't a lynch flip, it's an NK flip. It's as if he's suggesting a scum NK will help him make his lynch decision. You've still have not explained why I'm wrong here, or why risk can be considered null after this. i never said you are wrong im just saying i found it strange that the post stuck out to you considering all the other posts that have been made that i would say are very similar. Well I hope atleast agree that risk needs to answer for this. But in additional context, consider that risk hasn't been under much suspicion this game (atleast from what I've read). It's really really odd that he's not scared of getting NK'd in this context.
fair enough i wont fight his battle for him.
Also im fairly certain he can easily answer the question if he is town.
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On October 06 2012 10:10 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:02 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 10:00 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:53 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:51 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:43 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:41 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:31 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:22 iamperfection wrote:
so whats your goal finding scummy shit hapa or finding scum almost every single person has said scummy "shit" my goal is to find scum and right now i dont know what you are doing. Unless your scum to which i say hello scum i found you. I told you exactly why it's scummy. How is it "weak-ass shit?" It looks pretty damn scummy to me. He doesn't want to build a case before the nightflip... why? In particular, why the nightflip? He didn't simply say he was lazy. He didn't simply say he didn't feel like posting. He didn't want to post until after the nightflip.
Problem is, this makes no sense - what would he gain from posting after the nightflip? Nothing. This isn't a lynch flip, it's an NK flip. It's as if he's suggesting a scum NK will help him make his lynch decision. You have not refuted this. You have not criticized this. Instead you offer weak-ass reasons to defend someone - as if other people's behavior somehow vindicates risk's behavior. So tell me why you think risk is town/not-scummy/whatever? You keep saying that he could be telling the truth, but you've never offered reasoning for it. here a little homework for you. go read kush's filter for me. gogogogogogo tell me what you think *gasp* you're telling me that kush posted something scummy?! That's so abnormal. Here's the Newbie XXVI obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/zDzCCmJq78hdrRead my posts (45-47). Believe it or not, Kush being super scummy is not alignment indicative. He's capable of doing this shit as scum or town. However, he does have a discernable meta-difference from when he's scum or town. He tends to be really angry and whine a lot as scum. He's a lot calmer/"logical" when town. A quick readthrough of his filter makes me lean town on him. When he's pressured in this game, he's much calmer (relatively) than his scum games. Read his filter in Newbie XXVII or GSL II Mini to see how he reacts to pressure as scum. It's possible he could've learned from his mistakes, but for now, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. ok now do coagulation. theres a method...... just do it I'll admit Coag's filter is quite strange. I'm unsure what to think of it. On the one hand, he really hasn't done much of anything, and he's a vet. On the other hand, he's rather indignant - he's demonstrating a lot of the "I don't give a fuck" attitude that you yourself did in Rockband Mini. When you put these two together... I don't know. I'm pretty null on him. I'd have to look more into his meta to give you a definitive response. That's a project for tomorrow if I'm still alive. I'm much more sold on risk. Secondly, I'm STILL waiting for a response here: How is it "weak-ass shit?" It looks pretty damn scummy to me. He doesn't want to build a case before the nightflip... why? In particular, why the nightflip? He didn't simply say he was lazy. He didn't simply say he didn't feel like posting. He didn't want to post until after the nightflip.
Problem is, this makes no sense - what would he gain from posting after the nightflip? Nothing. This isn't a lynch flip, it's an NK flip. It's as if he's suggesting a scum NK will help him make his lynch decision. You've still have not explained why I'm wrong here, or why risk can be considered null after this. i never said you are wrong im just saying i found it strange that the post stuck out to you considering all the other posts that have been made that i would say are very similar. Well I hope atleast agree that risk needs to answer for this. But in additional context, consider that risk hasn't been under much suspicion this game (atleast from what I've read). It's really really odd that he's not scared of getting NK'd in this context. fair enough i wont fight his battle for him. Also im fairly certain he can easily answer the question if he is town. Cool. Since you asked me about kush/Coag, what do you think of 'em?
I believe kush to be town his high activity and hes been somewhat pushing discussion. Despite his wifom mind bombs my gut tells me town.
Coag is a prime concern of me.
On October 06 2012 04:51 Coagulation wrote:
why the fuck am I on the list? Im sorry but I have done nothing to look scummy at all. Maybe im not the most active player here but that sure as fuck doesnt indicate that im scum in any way.
I dont like that acted like a cry baby when he was listed on someones scum list. Stuck out to me as weird. Especially in a large game like this why would a town player give a fuck that he was on someones list.
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just because i dont list all my suspicions dosent mean im not suspicious. My fellow town member are on a need to know basis. But since you asked so nicely i thought i would share.
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On October 06 2012 10:15 DarthPunk wrote:
This recent passage of play has been really odd. Like a shit fight just appears out of nowhere and then kind of disappears again. 0_o
why is it odd?
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and as far as im concerned the shit fight hasen't ended it just took a nicer tone. (meaning you havent convinced me yet hapa i know you are pretty good at this game i will probably have an eye on you for the rest of the game)
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