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slOosh has, in completely arbitrary terms, "secondary" contributions in the form of his lynch preferences and comments on goings-on in the game.
Shiao doesn't comment deeper than the most recent pages, and must be called out specifically to comment on other things.
Mattchew is still strange to me, though I'm teetering on the edge with that guy. I still think there are scummier candidates in Kreb and ZBos.
I'm reading up on a couple of filters now and I'll comment further shortly.
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On October 14 2012 04:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: VE I am back and after spending a great deal of time thinking on the events of last night and reading the posts since then I will admit that I most likely took your sub optimal play as a scumtell and most likely shouldnt.
I still find the situation around kush's flip fucked beyond belief but I am willing to give you time to prove yourself given the name you said Kush had, and thus it may make sense that he can hide his own flip.
As such ##unvote
Sorry to disappoint. 
Not there yet.
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While we're on the subject of people who aren't here looking for scum, where the piss is/has been DarthPunk?
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Like, DP has been lobbying my innocence...yet a wagon has formed and dissipated on me without comment from him.
Of course, he could just be inactive...but what a strange time to go inactive.
He's another who went from being certain Kush was scum to vote-switching to "save" Kush dusk yesterday.
I'm reading the exchange between he and ZBos now, and his vehemency in defending my check is interesting reading too guys.
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He accused ZBos of "attempting to entrap [DarthPunk] with clear foreknowledge of Kush's flip" when he himself was CERTAIN of Kush's guilt and was among the few voteswitching at the end of the day.
You don't find that the least bit ODD Kreb? It's even bolded in the quote you posted...
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No, I mean certain of his guilt.
On October 10 2012 08:41 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 08:39 kushm4sta wrote: dp this is important: if I flip town are you bad? You aren't flipping town kush.
On October 10 2012 08:43 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 08:42 kushm4sta wrote: obviously I'm not flipping town apparently so you don't have to worry about entering this agreement with me dp. if I flip town you are bad and I'm better than you ok? I know what you are trying to do. I did it in LVII at MYLO/LYLO. It's not going to work so die quietly plz.
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Followed up with
On October 11 2012 12:19 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 12:17 kushm4sta wrote: How is this 1 for 1 someone please explain to me? In what circumstance can his claim be proven to be fake? He is risking getting lynched for your mislynch. Why would he take that risk when he could probably pushed a mislynch without taking that risk. You are right in that it is WIFOM however. and that should be acknowledged.
Literally calling the lynch a "mislynch" and voteswitching off him. Yeah man, reads change...but he was defending my check and everything, followed up with this?
I think your blinders are on Kreb, I want someone's opinion who doesn't want me dead. No offense, of course.
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DP explain how you went from being certain Kush was scum to being certain he was town in spite of a redcheck on him that you believed to be true please.
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I misread that post - he's talking TO Kush regarding speculation that I'm scum.
But he was onboard the "Kush is townie" train dusk yesterday, this is documented.
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Guys it's important that I received "Mafia Coroner" back as my check. Think about it. If Kush was framed, why would scum not sub in some other, less telling role? Like, another Enforcer or something? Coroner hadn't flipped yet. Still hasn't...so why would scum "frame" Kush as "Coroner"?
No townie has claimed Coroner - and I would think that any town Coroner would have claimed such in order to avoid a mislynch...maybe. I'm not sure about that. But that leads me to believe that it is, in fact, a scum role. So why give town that information? In a closed setup? When we don't know what roles are what? Why give us time to prepare for such shenannies?
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I don't like any of you who were saying you thought the way Kush was acting was townie. I disagree entirely, and as such cannot relate with any of your suspicions surrounding it. You're all equally scummy to me for that.
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On October 14 2012 08:59 DarthPunk wrote: To paraphrase your case.
Not scum hunting. Tunnelling kush as an excuse to avoid scumhunting. That all falls apart if kush is red.
So? It hasn't fallen apart yet, he flipped green didn't he? And you even had a townread on the guy before he flipped. So what about ZBos' case falls apart?
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So vote for me. If that's honestly how you feel the plop a vote down on me and convince others it's the best course of action. The only reason I can see for you telling me that is to attempt to incite anger.
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No, I don't understand that. My existence isn't "antitown" because I'm town. My existence is one extra day we get to try and find scum.
You know who like to say that townies' existence are anti town? I'll give you three guesses.
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Then scumhunt. I'm not stopping you or anyone from scumhunting. I'm a DT so you either believe me and look elsewhere or you think I'm lying and you lynch me. If I'm not the lynch candidate than no one should be considering my alignment.
I'm not just trying to "see what will stick", I'm pointing out the things that I think are scummy in your play. I mean, if there's good reason for it fine - but the reasoning you're giving is awful. Like, how does me being alive stop anyone from scumhunting?
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Yes, actually. I've been catching up on this thread all day. It's a chore sure, but not just because of me. Yes I had a little blowout with BC yesterday, but that's FAR from made the thread unreadable. And it certainly doesn't STOP anyone from scumhunting - people can filter, people can skip the posts in question...the simple fact that these things are in the thread doesn't make me antitown dude. And where was all this "VE is anti-town and should just die" sentiment before now?
You're accusing ZBoson of the EXACT SAME THING YOU ARE DOING. You were setting up ZBos lynch based on a flip that had not occured, after being certain the lynch was scum at the beginning of the day and having doubts about the lynch toward the end of the day. That's the EXACT scenario you're accusing ZBoson of. That is scummy, I don't care what differences there are between the scenarios. The end result is exactly the same (setting up a lynch of the other), and the reasoning is exactly the same (went from scum read to town read without knowledge of the flip).
I also find it odd that ZBos is now this super scumread for you, and ShiaoPi is barely a footnote in your reads when he had a "really strong case" against him in the form of Tout's case and yet now when we have a lynch in place, you're trying to get someone OTHER than ShiaoPi lynched. Like...sure okay, varying degrees of scumminess, reads change, whatever...but he has since done something you've found super scummy, but he's not as bad as this other guy? Who did something you yourself did?
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Where the fuck are Mementoss and Kei? GOD FUCKING DAMNIT
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On October 14 2012 09:48 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Where the fuck are Mementoss and Kei? GOD FUCKING DAMNIT Would you like to lynch shao pi?
I could lynch that guy...but it's mostly based on inactivity which makes me queasy. The jumping on my "DP scumslip" thing was pretty bad too I guess, but if Kush was town that obviously can't be used as a metric.
-.-
Let me go filter and read Tout's case. The problem with ShiaoPi dying is that Tout made a case on him. Immediately I suspect shenannies when that's the case - makes me think scum are trying to set up someone...but Tout was one of the only active people around the time he died.
BRB
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Yeah let's do this.
##Vote: ShiaoPi
Like...the townie response to a wrong flip is, unfortunately for me, suspicion. I've borne quite a bit of it today. But none of it from ShiaoPi who, before my claim which was "believable" (a weak description indicating a...capitulation I guess...a surrendering of his read on me), had me as one of his TOP scum reads.
Taken with the fact that Tout died and the jumping on DP, and I can consolidate on this guy today.
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Nothing? No one? Agreement? Dissent? Tick tock gentlemen.
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