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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On October 06 2012 08:58 debears wrote: I rescind my arguments. ##unvote ##vote shadysands Got him. Jumped way too easily on that fake scumslip claim What? LOL | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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debears
United States2516 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:12 debears wrote: My argument was illogical. You jumped on it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=353315¤tpage=38#745 Finding scumslips in a "if-i-was-scum" statement is exactly how Ange found the first scumteam member in XXII. That moment pretty much saved the town in that game. That's why I agreed with you. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
You make an illogical statment about his veteran claim and jump on an illogical scumslip. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:25 debears wrote: But how do you explain the lack of a nk day 1? You don't believe his claim? There arent any kind of counter claims of a medix protect or another vet. You make an illogical statment about his veteran claim and jump on an illogical scumslip. Why would a medic counter claim in this situation, debears? A medic would only counter claim if he/she felt that it was necessary to get Z-Boson lynched over another candidate, and only after spending time thinking about it. Z-B rc'd when there was less than an hour to go before the lynch deadline, and he remains a likely candidate for a lynch today. Indeed, if a medic counter claimed, it would be poor play, because that would open himself up for an easy NK and without a confirmed red to trade for it. After all, it would be trivial for ZB to claim that even though the medic had saved someone, the hit still landed on him; there would be no way for the third person who was saved to show that he had been saved (especially if that third person was DP or Alsn.) | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On October 06 2012 07:49 Shady Sands wrote: Why are you pushing for lynch trains already when no one on your list has flipped yet? All that does is give scum an easy way to NK people who everyone thinks is confirmed townie to setup the best LYLO situation possible. On the RCs: A cop RC is barely worth more than a Mason/Confirmed Townie RC at this point, since it's likely the last remaining scum is GF/Framer. Likewise, a vet RC is essentially a null tell, because if there is a GF/Framer, there is no reliable way to check ZB. (If there is a GF, Z-Boson might be a false negative; if there is a Framer, ZB might be a false positive). What seals the deal in terms of ZB's further scumminess is how he thinks Debears and or me are the last medic, and are inviting us to claim. That just smells to me like a blue-sniping attempt. Remember at this point scum have to kill the medic fast, or else the game is over for them. Finally, I am deeply dissatisfied with a no-lynch. In a situation where the last scum is trying to stay hidden, no-lynching is exactly what they want since they never have to "put their money where their mouth is" in terms of losing towncred by pushing a mislynch. I am going to repeat this to everyone: at this point I do not see how you can a) assign any weight to ZB's vet claim or b) view the rest of his filter as anything but scum. ##Vote Z-Boson Here's the deal though, the medic, if he does not claim, allows Z-Bo to become confirmed town. If he believes that Z-Bo is indeed town, then thats fine. But if he believes Z-Bo is scum, as you think so, then not claiming would allow a scum to hide. See what I mean? After night, the medic should probably claim and give the scum a hard decision on who to shoot on the next night, if the game even goes that long. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
Why did you not vote for me before lynch? You, of all players, should know that we needed a lynch there, especially me, since I came off scummy d1 and have since been at the forefront of attention because of it. You were there. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Do you understand why I'm saying the game is over now ? For me, SDM and RSC are definitely town. I think that everyone should agree with that. So it makes the last scum to be one of you three. With the no-kill during N1, a veteran claim makes a lot of sense, unless we have a medic claim on top of that. But I guess that a medic would have saved DP. So right now we have to choose between you and SS. With only one mislynch left for us. It is still fine. everyone Here is my take on what's going to happen. I'm dead tonight because as cop I can still provide you some info. If I'm not dead or there is no death. There is a likely to be a medic. But a medic should claim right now to seal the deal imo. In this unlikely case and only then, I would suspect Z-bo again. So you are starting D4 with RSC, SS, SDM, Z-Bo and debears. I don't know who to lynch first between SS and debears. Debears is most likely the last scum but I'm not 100 sure of it. SS is derailing some much right now that he is a liability for town. Make your own choice but be sure to lynch someone at least this time  | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Let's say you mislynch SS tomorrow. So at then end of D4, you have Z-Bo, RSC, SDM and debears. Z-Bo is the next to go imo because of the VET claim. Then we have a lylo with SDM, RSC and debears. I think it's a pretty easy LYLO situation ^^ The only way of winning for scum is more modkills from Thrawn. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Framer can't frame themselves in this setup. Framer or godfather, the only info we get from the results of my check is. There is at least one town between Remedy SC and Shady Sands But as we have only one scum left, this is kinda useless... The only thing I could hope for is to survive the night and get a red check, to get a 100% town confirmation on both of you. But it is not going to happen imo. By the way, I would like to have your input on whom I should check tonight ? Meanwhile, I'm going to look carefully at SDM and RSC filters again. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
If there's mylo btw me, sdm, and rsc, something really random would have to happen. I would like sdm to address my question though. His refusal to change votes onto me was weird | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I'm praising the hosts more such a balanced setup. I really liked the Troll Goon role  On a serious note, would you agree with it ? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
True enough, you are most likely to end up lynched tomorrow It's too bad I won't be here to see you dead  But I would recommend that we lynch SS first if he is not coming back to his sense soon. What do you think is going to happen ? Please tell me what lylo is going to happen in case of a mislynch D4. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Yeah, I would especially like to have your input on this list. On October 06 2012 13:20 Djodref wrote: By the way, here is my take on the roles in this setup:
I'm praising the hosts more such a balanced setup. I really liked the Troll Goon role On a serious note, would you agree with it ? Please take a good look at this list and think about it calmly Then answer the following questions: Do you believe my cop claim ? If not, why ? Do you believe Z-BosoN veteran claim ? If not, why ? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On October 06 2012 13:09 debears wrote: @djo If there's mylo btw me, sdm, and rsc, something really random would have to happen. I would like sdm to address my question though. His refusal to change votes onto me was weird If you are trying to make SDM suspicious, you are doing it the wrong way. Please come with a full weak case, you scum ! I recommend town to lynch debears for this post. But SS is also a serious liability right now. The end of D3 was crazy. It was a mistake not to lynch you but it's a perfectly fine because town could afford a no-lynch. I was also thinking of a no-lynch at this time. I would also like to remind you that we almost had the cop then the veteran lynched yesterday | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I would be so happy if debears is the last maf ^^ I've been tunneling him so hard... @Shady Forget Z-Boson for a while. What do you think of debears to be the last scum ? | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On October 06 2012 13:34 Djodref wrote: @Shady Yeah, I would especially like to have your input on this list. Please take a good look at this list and think about it calmly Then answer the following questions: Do you believe my cop claim ? If not, why ? Do you believe Z-BosoN veteran claim ? If not, why ? In spite of how useless they are in Mafia, I like lists in general so I'll respond to this. I believe you are cop, until someone counterclaims. I do not believe Z-Boson is veteran. | ||
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