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Djodref
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And why are inserted in what "his line of thinking as cop" would be ? It looks like you are trying to create a diversion, from my (biased) point of view. Anyway I'm not going to attack all your posts anymore. I'm also going to see what I can get through the thread. And, by the way, you have 62 hours before going to be lynched. I'll cast my vote on you as soon as D3 starts, if I'm still here. | ||
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Djodref
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Seriously what does it give you to know this ? It's a totally useless discussion. Plus I think we should all refrain ourselves to talking about the blues. Nobody was killed N1 and I'm just happy with that. Also I don't think we need them so much with only one scum remaining. | ||
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Djodref
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As far as know, Omni didn't even vote for Alsn. I think he really wasn't in the thread because everyone else switched. | ||
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Djodref
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Last time I've checked Omni's filter, I had a slight town-read on him. I think he is a newbie town sheeping onto cases. To be honest, I think the same of the late corrosion, Remedy and Omni. I guess my filter has a little of the same flavor. So I easily sympathize with them and don't try to look more into it. I think we are too gullible and take the cases from more experienced players as the truth itself. After that we are just reading the thread with confirmation bias so it seems natural and ok to jump on bandwagons. But at the same time, we don't want to admit that we are just sheeping so it ends up looking very washy-washy. So when Omni says "I could reference Z-Boson case", I think he just has a strong town read on him and he is sheeping him. Your points are correct nevertheless and I hope they are going to push Omni to shape up and produce better posts. @Everyone This game isn't over yet ! Don't be all laid back and trust the outcome of the game to Darth, Z-BosoN and the more experienced and active players. There is still a little possibility for them to be scum and, if this is the case, then this is the doom of Newb-Lurky Ville ! As for me, I've spent too much time looking at poisonous wine glasses lately but I'll try to shape up tomorrow. | ||
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Djodref
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Cast enough vote on debears at the beginning of the day for him to be lynched. Then start to discuss who to lynch next in the improbable case where he flips town. If we come up with a better target than debears (I would say 80% mafia now for me because of his last posts and I'm less heated up), we can still switch our votes onto him. By doing things this way, I hope that we can avoid to waste too much time on debears and lurkers to lurk even more. What do you think about this plan ? Shady and I are going to vote him up so we need 3 more guys. Who's in ? | ||
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Djodref
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Are you in or are you too much shacked by Alsn death ? You have a personal history with debears iirc ^^ | ||
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Djodref
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I think I would be able to look more closely on other people if I'm sure that debears get his lynch. | ||
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Djodref
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See ya ! | ||
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Djodref
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GG Darth. Your death is going to be avenged. As promised yesterday, I start my day by voting debears  ##Vote debears I sum up here my main reasons to vote against him [list] [*]Association case with kush [*]scumslip [*]Reluctant to address relevant points against him [*]it makes sense regarding kush's explosion [*]WIFOM bombs [/lists] But there are are some points speaking for him. His scumhunting and his attitude towards me (not OMGUSing and being patient) are spreading some doubts in my mind and my resolution of yesterday has cooled down. Still, I'm not going to move my vote until we find a better target. I'll participate to the hunt tonight (I'm at work now^^). See ya ! | ||
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Djodref
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Djodref
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Also an updated player list ? Thanks ! | ||
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Djodref
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Firstly I would like to remind you that my previous list is a compilation of my personal reasons to vote debears, I didn't pretend to sum up the entire case Secondly when I say that he is reluctant to address some point, I don't say that he didn't address them at all. On the contrary, I think that he addressed all of them at the end. I want to precise why I say reluctant. Let me remind you this post of mine On September 30 2012 23:46 Djodref wrote: Ok now concerning debears, I'm going to focus on one point : his scumslip ! I know this point not new and debears has already addressed it but I would like to point out the way he addressed it. First this slip might not be as evident as Kush's one but it is one nevertheless. The same way kush knew Darth was town, debears also know I'm town is because he is mafia ! For the people suspecting me, please consider this post written by a town Djodref ^^ Debears didn't write "Get some help from the coaches !", he wrote me to get help from the town coach because he knows I am town. Now please have a look on how he answered me when Omniscient asked him about it + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2012 03:28 debears wrote: @Omniscient No. I am trying to help a newbie get into the swing of things. Last game, there was a large portion of lurkers, and it destroyed the game atmosphere. If he gets help and posts more quality, we have a much better read on him. He denies it right away and gives a town motivation for his post. But then he starts talking about lurkers. I think lurkers and newbies are two different things and he was trying to divert everybody with this line. After that I give my guess on a kush/debears/corrosion scumteam and call him a scum by association in the light of Z-BosoN case against him. Here is his answer to my post. By the way, I asked him at this time what was his read on me but I should have ask directly "how do you know I am town?" + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2012 15:21 debears wrote: @djo What parts of his case specifically do you believe? His main case against me is contradiction. Look at my case against thrawn in the last game. What was the main point of that argument? Inconsistency. Its an easy point for scum to point out. There are two possibilities for kushvin my eyes 1) a mafiab tryingbto pity his way out off a lynch 2) a townie acting likeva total noob with accusations against him. Which has less assumptions? Number 1. My problen with the scum by associstion is the case that i was defendung kush earky on. That us false i was trying ti communicate ti darth that his reasoning wad based off such a strong s assumption early in the game. In fact, I'd say that z-bosons case against me is the same. He looks at the mafia side only, which to me is a indicator of mafia. I can't make a case dur to drinking and being on my phone. My read in you is that you are sheeping onto cases. I don't like it because i did the same. Why do you think i would refer you to a coach? What are the townie and mafia motivations behind it. @z-boson The same question stated the line above refers to you He doesn't want to give a clear answer on his read about me. What does it mean that I'm sheeping onto cases ? I think it was too dangerous for him to pronounce himself about my alignment due to his previous slip. I asked him why he directed me to marv and answer by a question because he cannot afford to be transparent on this subject. [/QUOTE] From my point of view, he didn't directly address this slip because he is trying to avoid to mentioning the scummy point of his post (the fact that he recommended me to marv). Doesn't it feel like this to you ? And he is doing it again here after this post On October 01 2012 00:03 Djodref wrote: I would like to add some digging I have been doing in kush's filter to add more material to my case on debears. Here is a post where our great mafia player Kush defends debears from to case of Z-BosoN + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2012 05:46 kushm4sta wrote: Hi z bozon. Inconsistencies do not make someone scum. Also it's quite funny how you are so certain this early in the game. To summarize this awesome post: your case is not strong. you are overconfident in your scumread. This one speaks for itself. I believe Kush was still trying to play seriously at this time and tried to defend his scummate. But here are also these two horrible posts He did this one no so much after voting for himself so I guess he was in full troll mode at this point. He was still attacking Z-BosoN on his "stupid" case. I think he purely gamethrew by seeing two scums nailed so fast in this game. And this one just before admitting he was scum. Given kush character, I could imagine him giving his scum partner like this. I'll be sad if it turns out to be true they are just to much elements pointing into this direction. After this post, I had to ask him twice to give to give answers about it and here is what I get On October 01 2012 03:04 debears wrote: @Djo You have been sheeping. Look at SDM's case on you Also, the reason why no one is addressing kush's "scum for life" and "I saved you" posts to me is because the argument is pure WIFOM. Kush was scum. For that reason, we have to look at scum motivations 1) He was giving away his partner and throwing the game away. I believe he didn't give up on the game since he was mafia. Otherwise, he would most likely be punished for his actions in the game. Also, he is experienced. He isn't a dumb noob that would give up. He was willing to take the sack as scum last game when people started reading him as scum (although it never came to that). 2) He was attempting to set up someone who had "soft defended" him so that it would lead to a mislynch the next day.This point can be easily turned into WIFOM. Why would you believe the words of a confirmed scum? The purpose of mafia is to disrupt the the town and turn townies against each other. Number two fulfills that purpose. At last he is giving his insight on the two horrible posts containing the WIFOM bombs. But what took him so long ? He did address some other points of my cases before this one, he could have done it at this time. It's pretty simple and such answers would have been easily accepted by me. I think I had my finger on something sensible here because he didn't address them at first and also because he didn't comment on the first quoted post from kush, which is the most incriminating post in my opinion (the very first attack of kush on Z-BosoN regarding his debear's case and vote). That's the reasons why I have used the word reluctant. Don't hesitate to ask me more questions if anything is unclear | ||
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Djodref
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 We have a lot of similar words with different meanings.I've just checked it up and I really wanted to say reluctant. Please read carefully my previous post (included the quoted parts) because this is really a strong argument in favor of a debear lynch in my opinion. | ||
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Djodref
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Concerning my town read on him, I believe that you are referring to this post On October 03 2012 22:12 Djodref wrote: @SDM Last time I've checked Omni's filter, I had a slight town-read on him. I think he is a newbie town sheeping onto cases. To be honest, I think the same of the late corrosion, Remedy and Omni. I guess my filter has a little of the same flavor. So I easily sympathize with them and don't try to look more into it. I think we are too gullible and take the cases from more experienced players as the truth itself. After that we are just reading the thread with confirmation bias so it seems natural and ok to jump on bandwagons. But at the same time, we don't want to admit that we are just sheeping so it ends up looking very washy-washy. So when Omni says "I could reference Z-Boson case", I think he just has a strong town read on him and he is sheeping him. Your points are correct nevertheless and I hope they are going to push Omni to shape up and produce better posts. @Everyone This game isn't over yet ! Don't be all laid back and trust the outcome of the game to Darth, Z-BosoN and the more experienced and active players. There is still a little possibility for them to be scum and, if this is the case, then this is the doom of Newb-Lurky Ville ! As for me, I've spent too much time looking at poisonous wine glasses lately but I'll try to shape up tomorrow. Could you confirm me it is what you were thinking about ? I have no problem explaining my read on him but don't you think it would be better to wait for him to defend himself first so he cannot find some ideas in my post ? If everybody is ok with that, I'm going to prepare a post right now regarding this and I'll post it when you feel like the timing is better for it. | ||
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Djodref
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I was talking about Omni of course. I don't want to give him an easy way out just in case my read is totally wrong ^^ | ||
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Djodref
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On October 03 2012 22:12 Djodref wrote: @SDM Last time I've checked Omni's filter, I had a slight town-read on him. I think he is a newbie town sheeping onto cases. To be honest, I think the same of the late corrosion, Remedy and Omni. I guess my filter has a little of the same flavor. So I easily sympathize with them and don't try to look more into it. I think we are too gullible and take the cases from more experienced players as the truth itself. After that we are just reading the thread with confirmation bias so it seems natural and ok to jump on bandwagons. But at the same time, we don't want to admit that we are just sheeping so it ends up looking very washy-washy. So when Omni says "I could reference Z-Boson case", I think he just has a strong town read on him and he is sheeping him. Your points are correct nevertheless and I hope they are going to push Omni to shape up and produce better posts. @Everyone This game isn't over yet ! Don't be all laid back and trust the outcome of the game to Darth, Z-BosoN and the more experienced and active players. There is still a little possibility for them to be scum and, if this is the case, then this is the doom of Newb-Lurky Ville ! As for me, I've spent too much time looking at poisonous wine glasses lately but I'll try to shape up tomorrow. This post is a prepared post to explain my slight town-read on Omni while he is on the spot at the beginning of D3. I'm not going to post it as soon as finish so it might be irrelevant depending on the events in the thread. But as everyone is sleeping or dead, I think it should be ok. Before reading my post, I recommend everyone to check his filter twice with the assumption that he is scum then the assumption that he is town. It's not hard nor long and you can forge your own opinion this way. Nevertheless, here is the points in his filter which speak for him:
But he really needs to post more so... | ||
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Djodref
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I wanted to say that Omni he's back to a null-read after the redaction of my previous post. I'm really looking forward to see his defense and I hope to see more original cases from him in the future. I also have myself a small point against him that I would like him to comment. On September 30 2012 10:51 Omniscient4983 wrote: Chocolate chip? :D What did you do to deserve a chocolate chip ? and On October 01 2012 02:15 Omniscient4983 wrote: @Djodref That's exactly my read on him atm. He certainly seems more newbie-town than scum right now. This is why I was questioned your suspicions of him. Glad to see we can agree on this read. Trying to be nice and cute and small attempts to buddy me. What are your motivations behind this ? With the few posts you have, you should better spend them on scum-reads than town-reads. | ||
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Djodref
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I'm not so familiar with Shady meta but isn't he supposed to more active ? it would be interesting to see the difference between corrosion's posts and his. No one is here ? Seriously we might lose to just one maf player with all the lurkers... (in the improbable case where debears is not scum) | ||
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Djodref
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@debears Don't worry I'm not forgetting you <3 @Omni My vote is on you now ! ##Vote Omni | ||
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