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kushm4sta
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Stutters695
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On September 29 2012 09:20 kushm4sta wrote: Debears if you want me to answer this question you need to make it clearer what the question is. Yeah I know my actions were stupid and I'm sorry. Stop calling me a little bitch because I already said sorry. I dont even a blue role to roleclaim so yeah im fucked this game. You aren't fucked if you show value and scumhunt. Wallowing in self-pity will get you lynched however. | ||
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Omniscient4983
United States32 Posts
On September 29 2012 09:08 debears wrote: 1) Mafia trying to pity your way out of being lynched. or 2) A little bitch ##Vote: Kush | ||
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kushm4sta
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
READ An interesting snippet from the op: Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing. So, read my exchange with him. I try a billion times to help him, and what does he do? Choose to mock me case and be insulting. That's not playing to win if he's town. His sudden change of attitude probably came from a mod-warning, due to what I've quoted, and I'll assume this to be true. Now I have two train of thoughts that I'm killing myself over: 1) Lynch him. He's bad to have in the endgame and is a detriment to the town, no matter his alignment. His change of attitude might have come from his scummy friends, because I sure as hell couldn't sway him. 2) Assume he is a townie. Why can we do that? Because I am almost certain that his change of attitude came from a mod-warning. If he was mafia he wouldn't have gotten a mod-warning, because his play could have very well been some schematics or whatever. However, there is no town-motivation for his play whatsoever, and the way he mocked me is a completely infant behavior that does not go with a "play-to-win" scenario. However... There is one instance where he could have gotten a mod-warning as mafia. Observe this post: On September 29 2012 07:44 kushm4sta wrote: debears I saved you bro...scumteam 4 lyfe If debears is indeed mafia, he would have gotten a mod-warning for basically giving in his teammate. This makes a lot of sense, if we can assume he got a mod-warning. And SO I propose.... We lynch him. If I am correct in my assessment and he flips scum, then debears is most likely also scum and kush managed to ruin the game. If he flips town, then we are down someone who will be a detriment to the town, so I'm confident he is a good lynch for us right now. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
The ambiguous statement i made qbout you in the start of my vote post was addressed to your feeling of hoplessness despite your early enthusiasm @k boson You're association case is assuming way too much. Use ockhams razor. We can't assume modwarnings. That is ridiculous. Especially when using that reason to cherrypick his posts to create an association case | ||
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DarthPunk
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kushm4sta
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thrawn2112
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kushm4sta
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Stutters695
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On September 29 2012 04:29 corrosion wrote: Darth jumps on it, and shortly afterwards he posts about his previous mafia games. I've watched the game where he played cop, and seen that he and Shady argued a lot on D1. So I was thinking that this seems to be Darth's town meta. But I also asked myself why he did post about his previous games at this point in time. Maybe this was all intentional. Suppose he suddenly remembered that game. He might not have wanted people to look at those games earlier, but now he realized that if he posted them he would be able to establish a town read on himself. So yeah I went back through the thread to address this specifically. I was asked to post my previous mafia games. and then I did. And now that is some sort of attempt for me to use my meta to clear myself? Right. Why I unvoted Kush I am sure kush is scum yet I unvoted him. Why? If you read the thread I was being accused of tunnelling kush and being anti town and anti discussion. I felt that continuing to push kush at that point was not only detrimental to the case but it would allow scum to continue to talk about me tunnelling/pushing kush and the merits of this as a stratagem. I felt that the evidence was enough for me to be convinced and that as the discussion was being dominated about kush all the other stuff surrounding my push on him that it was best for town to shift focus temporarily. I hope you note that I still called kush scum after that point. But it was anti town to continue on that tangent at that time. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On September 29 2012 10:48 kushm4sta wrote: Address my case darthpunk you are the only person I suspect. Hmm. I wasn't going to bother because it was so bad. But now that you asked me I guess I will. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On September 29 2012 10:36 debears wrote: @kush The ambiguous statement i made qbout you in the start of my vote post was addressed to your feeling of hoplessness despite your early enthusiasm @k boson You're association case is assuming way too much. Use ockhams razor. We can't assume modwarnings. That is ridiculous. Especially when using that reason to cherrypick his posts to create an association case That only adds to the fact that I already have a strong scumread of you. Whatever his alignment, I'm pushing for you next. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On September 29 2012 00:35 kushm4sta wrote: Darthpunk 1 You ask people what they think of me, Then when they don't tell you the exact answer you want to hear, you accuse them of defending me. What you meant was agree with me about kush or I will FOS you. No. This is wrong. I did not FoS people for not agreeing with me. Firstly. Both of those players had also FoS'd you. Secondly there are people who have not agreed with me who I have not looked at. I FoS'd debears for soft defending you after he FoS'd you. I Was suspicious of Alsn for completely twisting/ stretching the truth and at times straight out lying in order to Facilitate his reads. His reads form his arguments rather than his arguments forming his reads. On September 29 2012 00:35 kushm4sta wrote: 2 Did anyone notice how I went from DEFINITELY SCUM to a "distraction" instantly and without reason? @darthpunk Why did you unvote me if you are certain I am scum? He explains his strategy: So why have you already FOSed 3 different people? I already explained this  On September 29 2012 00:35 kushm4sta wrote: 3 Darth's scumstrat is not so much to flame but to provoke. This is from the post in which he FOSes Alsn. Not even his most inflamatory statement but pay close attention to his tone in his posts. Specifically, "Savvy?" Condescending, intimidating, irritating. He wants you to get pissed. The only one flaming is you. I am not provoking. I made a case based on evidence. You have not defended your self, you are desperately trying to turn this away from the facts and into something personal. but I don't take Mafia personally and neither should you. On September 29 2012 00:35 kushm4sta wrote: 4 @Darthpunk at the end of newbie 26, marv said scum's biggest mistake was not nightkilling me. So your supposition that scum would never nightkill me is in itself ridiculous. It was an indirect flame, suggesting I play bad, and that's all that post was. This was not because of your play. And continues to be irrelevant. Your whole story about bating a FoS yout 'joke posts' and the NK thing is scummy. You are scum. Even if you are not you are a detriment to town come late game. You remind me of Bill Murray and Grush. They were a liability. I believe you are also. | ||
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DarthPunk
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
I think it would be more productive if you would read my case on debears and see if you agree with it. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
People say just contribute and you will have a chance bot honestly I don't know how you can say that's true at this point. I'm done no matter what I do. So why should I even put the time in to come up with a case? Do you understand my point of view? | ||
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kushm4sta
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
But you are scum and thus will use this as an excuse to die the quiet and lonely death, unloved, and derelict. | ||
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. But a big national holiday is coming this week end so I should be able to participate to the thread and finish to read all the guides.
