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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 16 2012 20:44 GMT
#21
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 18 2012 00:39 GMT
#140
On September 18 2012 09:37 iamperfection wrote:
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On September 18 2012 09:36 Mementoss wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:
you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you.

The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1.

Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game.
On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL?


I say we respect his wishes.

## Vote Marvelosity


Well, that means it isn't random because it was pre-meditated and thought out. Sooo, yeah.

Believe it or not it did randomly come out as marv.

So what are we actually supposed to gain from this random voting? o.O
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 18 2012 13:15 GMT
#188
I'm here, but I'm getting ready for class (today is my longest day). Gotta head out right now to catch the bus, but I'll be more active than I have been throughout the day.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 18 2012 14:22 GMT
#209
At the moment I'm opposed to voting for Zephirdd just because I think he really wants his "rule" to become a thing. Right now I think his case is full of confirmation biases (reminds me of my case on Z-BosoN from LVII). I don't think his case against Hapa has any merit, but I also don't feel that the case was scum-motivated.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 18 2012 14:26 GMT
#211
That being said, the fact that he said he wouldn't change his mind is something I'm going to keep an eye on. Tunneling someone based on a "rule" with I believe 2 confirmed successes (might be wrong), and following it up with misrepresentations (intentional or accidental) of other peoples' posts isn't very townie.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 18 2012 14:27 GMT
#212
On September 18 2012 23:23 iamperfection wrote:
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On September 18 2012 23:22 mkfuba07 wrote:
At the moment I'm opposed to voting for Zephirdd just because I think he really wants his "rule" to become a thing. Right now I think his case is full of confirmation biases (reminds me of my case on Z-BosoN from LVII). I don't think his case against Hapa has any merit, but I also don't feel that the case was scum-motivated.

school out early?

I'm in class XD

Posting when I have a bit of time.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 18 2012 22:16 GMT
#358
I'm back from classes.

Never really sure where to hop in when I've been gone for so long. Guess I'll just start by saying that I'd much prefer that we not lynch me today. Such a lynch would be a mistake.

Anyway, @prplhz - current feelings on Ange777? Is she still on your list or has she been completely replaced by marv?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 18 2012 22:20 GMT
#360
Oh, and Mementoss, would you like my to try to explain why my first post was as... limited as it was? I haven't yet simply because it's really not all that enlightening, and my explanation is unlikely to convince you of anything. But if you'd like an explanation I'm willing to give one.

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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 18 2012 23:03 GMT
#370
I'm interested in prplhz at the moment. His entire perogative seems to be sharing town reads while inserting witty side comments. Just when he made me think he was going to start contributing more he posts a pointless list of town reads and then votes for marv. Aside from vague assertions of Ange's suspiciousness earlier, and now a weak argument against marv, all prplhz has given us are town reads, which won't catch scum unless he can find all 9 (or however many) of us.

On September 19 2012 07:55 prplhz wrote:
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On September 19 2012 07:16 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm back from classes.

Never really sure where to hop in when I've been gone for so long. Guess I'll just start by saying that I'd much prefer that we not lynch me today. Such a lynch would be a mistake.

Anyway, @prplhz - current feelings on Ange777? Is she still on your list or has she been completely replaced by marv?

Why do you want to know that? I mentioned Ange777 very briefly and right now a lot of shit with marvellosity is going down and then you ask a relatively irrelevant question. What makes you want to know about my opinion on Ange777 so much that you ignore everything else in the thread?

I mention Ange because before marv, she was your only "scumread" as far as I can tell. I put it in quotes because I'm not even sure how you felt about her in the first place, aside from the fact that she "looked terrible" and that you wanted to kill her for unknown reasons. I wanted to know what you currently think of her because she's the only person I've seen you be suspicious of aside from marv.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 18 2012 23:05 GMT
#371
I'm going to look through marv's filter now, but from what I can tell the case against him is that he found an argument interesting and he got mad at something he found stupid. I feel like both things are consistent with what I know of him.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 18 2012 23:21 GMT
#374
Do you want me to just say that I think prplhz is scum?

I think prplhz is scum.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 19 2012 00:46 GMT
#377
It's mostly that you give up a boatload of town reads and only commit to a scumread after the best scumhunter (or so I've been told) also votes for that person. The fact that that person is marv, who would be a big loss if he flips town (which I currently think he would), is a factor in that as well.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 19 2012 01:09 GMT
#381
Are you? I'm under the impression that you're one of the best, and it would be a very good move for scum to get you out of the way. I may have to reconsider.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 19 2012 04:12 GMT
#393
I've been through everyone's filters at least three times, have started writing multiple cases, only to decide that what I was writing about was not alignment-indicative. At the moment I would vote for austinmcc. I'm aware that just about everything I'm about to say can be applied to myself as well as him, but at this moment he's the only one I would feel confident with a vote on. He hasn't given any reads, hasn't pushed anyone at all, and I don't see anything that has come from his posts so far. Overall he's not playing in a very townie manner. He has, admittedly, been more active than me. However, if you look at our contributions, they're about the same (and just about non-existent).

So, until I see more from him, ##Vote austinmcc.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 19 2012 10:47 GMT
#428
I started writing a bigger case on austinmcc and just talked myself around in circles until I almost ran out of content entirely (standard). My issue with austin wasn't his response to the prplhz case (I actually liked his reaction) nor his "obvious" comment, but that I couldn't see any evidence of intending to scumhunt. The first half of this post:
On September 18 2012 08:17 austinmcc wrote:
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On September 18 2012 08:03 austinmcc wrote:
On September 18 2012 07:30 Hapahauli wrote:
But enough of that, austinmcc is more content to talk about pudding than his actual rationale for his read. "Neat observations..." like WTF does that even mean? The whole post reads like him running in circles around the question rather than answering it.

##Vote austinmcc
To the bolded - What read? If you think I jumped on some bandwagon, or really tried to push some case, okeedoke. Show where that happened. However, I'm guilty as charged at wanting to talk about the pudding comment. I think in part you're misinterpreting my comments, and in part my comments are not reflective of my thought process, assuming we're going off the "too obvious" comment.
This part of that post should come off...less hostile? I just think you're seeing something that wasn't there, as was another person or two. I didn't vote anyone. I didn't go BEST CASE EVER BH HIGH FIVE! I noted that I found some of it neat, and then brain farted out what's basically a typo with the "obvious" bit.


For instance, you say that I'm more content to talk about pudding than my rationale for my read. But you also say
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On September 18 2012 07:04 Hapahauli wrote:
In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss
Do you not find it a little odd that you both think I am more interested in discussing the term "pudding-munchers" than my read AND am someone you think was the "most willing to be jumping on BH's case"? Those two thoughts don't feel like they harmonize. Each presents sort of a different version of my post - pushing a read and jumping on a case vs. being more content to chat and not scumhunt right at that moment.

actually seems to apologize for being too aggressive, when I don't feel that was the case at all.

After giving it a second look (actually about sixth or seventh look, as my reading comprehension is absolute garbage), he does try to gain some info on Hapa. I find it strange that his scumhunting is dependent on third-party contributions, however, and that while he is waiting for a response from marv he doesn't respond to anything else that's going on in the thread (minus answering my question regarding random lynches, and reacting to BH's graph). All of his time is spent defending himself and somewhat passively pressuring hapa while waiting for marv to respond to him.

As for his absence since his last post, about 17 hours ago, I have absolutely no room to comment given my track record this game. I'm pretty much giving anyone being less active the benefit of the doubt at the moment.

Since my case against austinmcc basically boiled down to him appearing apologetic for being aggressive and being passive in his scumhunting, I'm sure there's a better lynch option out there. I'm keeping my vote on him for now because he's still currently most suspicious to me, but I think I need more to strongly consider him scum. Going to take a look at Palmar's case on marv as well as everyone's cases on prplhz. I'm sure there will be something in there that's more convincing to me than my own self-talk.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 19 2012 12:47 GMT
#442
Ange covered most of my thoughts on marv above. One thing that did kind of stand out to me in Palmar's case was this post:
On September 19 2012 05:34 marvellosity wrote:
also, I'll answer you on Palmar if you can give me a coherent scum motivation behind my blatant OMGUS

gogogo
This seems out of place, given that marv often says that he dislikes the "it's too scummy to be scummy" argument. I'm unsure if OMGUS is in itself a scummy action, but I think a parallel can be drawn in this situation because he's using it to show his towniness. The problem here being, as marv has pointed out, that this gets incredibly WIFOMy. I'm not sure if it's enough for me to switch my vote to him. Going to need more thought.

@Palmar:
Any thoughts on Ange's prplhz case?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 19 2012 17:09 GMT
#486
@Bluelightz
That bit about Ange777 was in response to my question about how he felt about Ange at the time, and then a bit of a response to my crappy case against him.
On September 19 2012 07:16 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm back from classes.

Never really sure where to hop in when I've been gone for so long. Guess I'll just start by saying that I'd much prefer that we not lynch me today. Such a lynch would be a mistake.

Anyway, @prplhz - current feelings on Ange777? Is she still on your list or has she been completely replaced by marv?
On September 19 2012 08:03 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm interested in prplhz at the moment. His entire perogative seems to be sharing town reads while inserting witty side comments. Just when he made me think he was going to start contributing more he posts a pointless list of town reads and then votes for marv. Aside from vague assertions of Ange's suspiciousness earlier, and now a weak argument against marv, all prplhz has given us are town reads, which won't catch scum unless he can find all 9 (or however many) of us.

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On September 19 2012 07:55 prplhz wrote:
On September 19 2012 07:16 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm back from classes.

Never really sure where to hop in when I've been gone for so long. Guess I'll just start by saying that I'd much prefer that we not lynch me today. Such a lynch would be a mistake.

Anyway, @prplhz - current feelings on Ange777? Is she still on your list or has she been completely replaced by marv?

Why do you want to know that? I mentioned Ange777 very briefly and right now a lot of shit with marvellosity is going down and then you ask a relatively irrelevant question. What makes you want to know about my opinion on Ange777 so much that you ignore everything else in the thread?

I mention Ange because before marv, she was your only "scumread" as far as I can tell. I put it in quotes because I'm not even sure how you felt about her in the first place, aside from the fact that she "looked terrible" and that you wanted to kill her for unknown reasons. I wanted to know what you currently think of her because she's the only person I've seen you be suspicious of aside from marv.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 19 2012 17:29 GMT
#488
As for the rest of BL's case against prplhz, I was concerned about the unexplained lists popping up in the thread (palmar and prplhz), but I feel as though prplhz has explained all of his town reads as he made them, then wrote up the list to consolidate them. Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm reasonably sure that I saw some small reasoning for each of those town reads in his filter. I'm not sure what the benefit of a list of town reads is, aside from everyone knowing who he thinks is town, but afaik he gave reasons for them all at some point, and I don't see the list itself as inherently scummy as long as it's not completely random.

The next part, concerning his defense of the BH case, I don't find all that compelling. The question regarding why he thinks his first post looks townie is valid, but I don't think its answer is indicative of his alignment.

The part about Ange is a misunderstanding that I hope I cleared up in my previous post.

And finally, I'm not sure what this part means: "Sheeping with no reason = Bad because we don't know why the fuck does prplhz believe marv is town, for example if he thought marv was scum through the thing Hapa pointed out why didn't he explain why he thought that thing Hapa pointed out scummy?" It seems to bounce around between prplhz sheeping, prplhz believing marv is town, prplhz believing marv is scum, and something that Hapa pointed out regarding marv being scummy, which would imply to me that Hapa is in some way scummy. I just don't understand it. Could you clarify it a bit?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 19 2012 17:33 GMT
#489
Oh, also @Bluelightz:
You were suspicious of MMToss earlier. What are your thoughts on Hapa and austin's cases against him?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 19 2012 17:53 GMT
#490
Scratch what I said about prplhz's list of town reads. He mentions them elsewhere, but doesn't explain them. Time for more reconsidering...

@prplhz: I'd also like to know how you feel about the cases against mementoss. Is he still a town read in your book?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 19 2012 17:56 GMT
#493
EBWOP: "He mentions them elsewhere, but doesn't explain them until after he's posted the list." I feel like at that point it's not even a summary, it's just a list of people who don't have to worry about being pressured by prplhz.


Sorry for posting so much right now. I believe I have class during the deadline, and while I will have access to a computer for the later half of it, I can't guarantee that I'll have time to keep posting then.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 19 2012 18:56 GMT
#532
On September 20 2012 02:58 marvellosity wrote:
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On September 20 2012 02:56 mkfuba07 wrote:
EBWOP: "He mentions them elsewhere, but doesn't explain them until after he's posted the list." I feel like at that point it's not even a summary, it's just a list of people who don't have to worry about being pressured by prplhz.


Sorry for posting so much right now. I believe I have class during the deadline, and while I will have access to a computer for the later half of it, I can't guarantee that I'll have time to keep posting then.


As your vote is currently on austinmcc, care to comment on his case and what you make of his recent activity?

Absolutely!

I think the most convincing thing about it is the overall feeling that MMToss isn't really pressuring his scumreads. He hasn't said much about prplhz since the vote until his post about marv and I being suspicious together. I actually forgot that he even had his vote on him. Austinmcc didn't feel particularly pressured. And despite feeling like MMToss should be voting for me instead of prplhz based on his posting so far, I don't feel particularly pressured by him. He seems to be kind of passively throwing around suspicion, but keeping his vote firmly set on prplhz without any force behind it. I'm not sure if this is necessarily scummy (I know, wishy-washy), but I don't feel like it's consistent with MMToss's town play (the limited amount that I have experienced).

Gotta switch classrooms... I'll take another look at austin's recent posts and comment when I'm settled in the other room. Sorry about that :<
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 19 2012 20:42 GMT
#622
I'm still in class, but I finally have a chance to post.

I was leaning towards removing my vote before I had to swich classes, but I didn't want to just unvote and leave without having a chance to say why. Most of my arguments for him were addressed with his recent posting. He has become more active and, I may just be easily swayed (hell, I know I am) but he seems sincere in his recent scumhunting.

##Unvote
##Vote prplhz


I actually think that I would be happier with a MMToss lynch, but at the moment the only options appear to be austin and prplhz, and I'm liking austin more right now.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 19 2012 22:16 GMT
#727
On September 20 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote:
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On September 20 2012 05:42 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm still in class, but I finally have a chance to post.

I was leaning towards removing my vote before I had to swich classes, but I didn't want to just unvote and leave without having a chance to say why. Most of my arguments for him were addressed with his recent posting. He has become more active and, I may just be easily swayed (hell, I know I am) but he seems sincere in his recent scumhunting.

##Unvote
##Vote prplhz


I actually think that I would be happier with a MMToss lynch, but at the moment the only options appear to be austin and prplhz, and I'm liking austin more right now.


Oh hai there scum.

Not sure how that makes me scum. I pretty much made the same decision you did at the end, though we were coming from opposite directions. Of the two, we both voted for our more null read. Unlike you, I didn't have a confirmed townie to make the choice extra easy.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 19 2012 22:22 GMT
#731
Sorry, I have a tendency to say things in the perfect way to be misinterpreted. It's my curse.

And marv's been consistent with that since my "supposed to be a response to austin but was more of a post about MMToss" post.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 20 2012 19:04 GMT
#822
I'm back and caught up, though I think I'll have to go through some peoples' previous games. I should be here until the daypost.

Marv's posts about Palmar are making me come around regarding him (Palmar). Marv's posts, as well as Hapa's earlier addition, have pushed him to the scummy side for me. He hasn't done anything overtly scummy, but from what I understand Palmar gives himself away with the quality of his play, and many here feel that he's not playing to his potential. If NMM3 is the source of that lengthy post marv quoted, I'll be taking a look at his filter from that game to get a comparison. My only comparison right now is from DN mafia, where I believe he had three one liners. I'm not sure what was going on there, but I'm pretty sure I can't draw anything from his play that game...

As for Bluelightz, I had considered him earlier, but put him aside in favor of someone who until that time hadn't really contributed anything except self-defense (austin). It did seem strange how easily and apparently pleasantly he removed his vote on mementoss, but I thought that just might be his way. I don't like that he hasn't responded to questions from myself and austin (possibly others) regarding mementoss, especially after this empty post that states that he's going to do exactly that:
On September 20 2012 10:26 Bluelightz wrote:
GOD DAMN prplhz/ -_-.

Reading up on any accusations or shit (like questions D

From what a few people have written, it seems as though this is in relative keeping with his town meta, but that doesn't mean I have to like it, and I'm not necessarily going to take meta arguments in his "defense" at face value. Does Bluelightz have a pretty consistent town meta, and can I understand it better by looking at any of his recent townie games?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 20 2012 19:21 GMT
#827
On September 21 2012 03:46 Hapahauli wrote:
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On September 21 2012 02:29 Palmar wrote:
Mementoss is almost certainly town. If I do end up dead tonight you really, really need to take a critical look at the fact that prplhz and I agreed on reads. It's really fucking frustrating that you paint someone scum, then town proceeds to ignore you once you get shot.

Always look at everything said by the people night killed by mafia. Do so critically, but usually there is a reason the people who died, die.

I think marv needs to die tomorrow. If we have a vigilante, the safest targets are HiroPro and perhaps mkfuba07. Generally it's easier to shoot lurkers as they won't be missed. Hapahauli is confirmed town with no action so he should absolutely be protected tonight. However it's probably better that we assume there is a chance BlazingHand and I get protected because that might deter scum from shooting us.

it's very unfortunate prplhz messed up the claim but once he did it I suppose there wasn't anything to do but lynch him. We could've ended up with 2 confirmed townies. I was pretty sure they were both town, especially hapa, but really prplhz too.

The reason I didn't want to switch to austinmcc is that two of my strongest scumreads were already voting for him as I pointed out. Now there's obviously the chance that austin is an SK and I was just being a stubborn asshole, but with hiro and marv both trying to kill him, I saw very little reason to think he might flip scum.

mementoss's interactions with blazinghand during the first moments of the game seem very straightforward and matter of fact. there is no sense of panic as he breaks down the points Blazinhand raised against him. The main reason I think he's town are the two big posts he came up with after I posted the case on marv. In both of them he's genuinely looking at the situation as it is, instead of as he wants it to be.

His addition of mkfuba07 into the mix and the connections between marv and mkfuba is a very valuable addition to the thread, something I would not expect anyone that's scum to pick up on. It proves he's reading the thread with a lot of attention.

Regarding my own meta, marv is using it in the wrong way, obviously. The problem is marv seems to have a lot of time to post, so read everything said and done for it's content, not for who is yelling the loudest.


No. No not really.

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also, looks like hiro and marv are both voting for austinmcc, which makes it less likely that he's scum at face value, although that's a very sketchy way to think about anything. Still, just confirms to me that it's not austin but marv we should be hanging tonight.


Doesn't look like "very little reason to think he might flip scum" to me.

To make sure I understand, are you pointing out that he admits his own reasoning is sketchy, but sticks with it anyway?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 20 2012 21:16 GMT
#892
Sorry for being so crappy =/

GL town~ Gogo!!
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