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On September 20 2012 05:58 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 05:58 Hapahauli wrote:
Just wait 2 minutes BH. Just wait. Nice try, but I'm not unvoting, and neither is anyone else unless they want to raise my ire. Prplhz today, you tomorrow. Don't listen to him, this is what scum is saying to try to make us doubt.
C9++ rolls...2 or 3 scum right? You're saying they either out their ENTIRE team or 2/3 of it to save one?
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On September 20 2012 06:00 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 05:59 austinmcc wrote:On September 20 2012 05:58 Blazinghand wrote:On September 20 2012 05:58 Hapahauli wrote:
Just wait 2 minutes BH. Just wait. Nice try, but I'm not unvoting, and neither is anyone else unless they want to raise my ire. Prplhz today, you tomorrow. Don't listen to him, this is what scum is saying to try to make us doubt. C9++ rolls...2 or 3 scum right? You're saying they either out their ENTIRE team or 2/3 of it to save one? could be 2 scum 1 SK
The SK possibility doesn't matter here, only the pure scum numbers. IF they're fakeclaiming it's a massive gamble and I don't really see them taking it.
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On September 20 2012 06:01 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +Goon: You are a Rocker! You're smarter than the rest of these fools, and you know that a successful band doesn't have 13 people in it. That's just stupid. All those guys on MTV? How many people are in their bands? Four. Unfortunately, Tommy's mom won't let him join your band, so there's only three of you, but three is better than 13, right? The only reason you're here is to gain exposure by touring with da Band for a while, but really you just want the rest of them gone so everyone can see your style. You're gonna make it big some day. for those who missed it
That's kind of countered by:
This is a semi-open setup. You will know which roles may appear in the game but not the number. Well, there is at least one vanilla townie. But that's all you know.
I guess we can go look it up with time now, but I thought C9++ almost always or always rolls 2 scum/1 sk or 3 scum. But the numbers can vary between 2-3.
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Mattchew's nosy neighbor claim and this within 2 weeks...
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On September 20 2012 07:20 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh geezus goddamn christ I misread your post.
"liking austin more right now" = thinking austin is more townie as opposed to thinking austin is more scummy.
Anywho, surprised marv sheeped me on that one.
Marv was discussing lynching fuba before you brought up that post.
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On September 20 2012 11:17 Bluelightz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 20 2012 11:12 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 10:26 Bluelightz wrote:GOD DAMN prplhz/ -_-. Reading up on any accusations or shit (like questions D  well Bluelightz I got a question for you regarding your thought process near the end of D1. You made this post: Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 00:07 Bluelightz wrote:
Memen: Aren't you just deflecting pressure onto mkfuba? If you want to answer like that at least explain to me why it's the same, oh and answer my question. Mementoss made this post about 20 minutes later Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 00:26 Mementoss wrote:On September 19 2012 00:07 Bluelightz wrote:
Memen: Aren't you just deflecting pressure onto mkfuba? If you want to answer like that at least explain to me why it's the same, oh and answer my question. Read the thread I answered your questions. And please take off scum shaded glasses everytime you talk to me, I'm not deflecting pressure onto mkfuba, I'm getting verification from Marv, why he is biased towards one lurker over the other. >>SNIP<< and you reacted like this, unvoting him and moving your vote onto prplhz. Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 00:55 Bluelightz wrote:
Ah, Memen, I see. Good explanation.
##Unvote: Mementoss
##Vote: prplhz
If he doesn't step up his contributions (so do I), I think I'll keep my vote on him. I'll go into more detail on this tomorrow as I have to sleep. I'm not sure I see the same good explanation you do. You also mentioned if he didn't step up his contributions, you'll keep your vote on him. I know it's quite early right now in Indonesia but when you have the chance, I'd like to know what exactly about his explanation was good and convinced you you should move your vote. It's worth noting he actually said very little in the passage addressed to you, though he had a bit talking to mkfuba afterwards. Was his reference to previous posts enough to convince you? now that the lynch has taken place, what is this "more detail" you were going to go into on Mementoss? Please elaborate. No BH, I unvoted because of this: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 23:14 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 22:57 Bluelightz wrote:On September 18 2012 22:40 Mementoss wrote:
@Bluelightz case
I understand you just went through all my filter, and basically resaid the things I posted. I don't see how it makes me scum, and adding SCUM! at the end doesn't make it make me scummy lol. In the future when making a case, you should outline how the quotes make the person scum and not re-iterate what the post says.
Can't say much more now since I'm at work. Why do you have to point fingers on everyone and your now pushing Hapa but voting prplhz? If you want to know my best scum read, check who I'm voting, that will be it. I'm not pushing Hapa, I'm asking him to explain his reasoning more. Don't purposely misinterpret me, don't you see how far that got Zephridd with his case on Hapa? I'm allowed to pressure other players while voting another player. There is more than 1 scum in this game ya know. I would say the only other person I remotely pressured so far would be austinmcc's scummy indecisiveness.
I'm still quite interested in your read on mementoss. When you unvoted, you did so because of a question/answer unconnected to your case. What was your read on mementoss yesterday when you unvoted, and what is your read of mementoss now?
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On September 20 2012 11:40 Mementoss wrote:
Please stop wasting time with the reads on me.
I'd be interested for people's reads on the people that have been really out of the spotlight for the most part:
Zephridd
Bluelightz
HiroPro
I'll be back in the morning and dig their filters. Bluelightz made a giant post about you D1. Called you scum. Unvoted you for an odd reason. Never mentioned you again. When you return and dig his filter, you'll notice 1/2 of it's on you and 1/2 on prplhz.
I'm sort of wondering why the transition. I'm sort of wondering what he thinks of you. His read on you says a decent bit about him, so you should want him to let the thread know how he feels.
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Trying to do work during work today after yesterday's mafiafest. Will look more critically at palmar and marv.
Still currently have mementoss as my top read. Still really want to know Bluelightz's feelings on mementoss.
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On September 21 2012 01:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 01:37 marvellosity wrote:On September 21 2012 01:37 Hapahauli wrote:
Well actually, you had that quote in Normal Mini III about Bluelightz meta - he's obsessed with town when he's town, and scum when he's scum. Now I know you were scum that game, but I'm curious if you think that read is accurate?
Worth noting that Buelightz has no town reads this game. That would be the most compelling evidence, I think. Even in GSL he voted a 'null' read on Day 1 because everyone else seemed town. On the flip side to this (talking to myself here), Bluelightz backing down off Mementoss like that is a typical BL town thing to do.
I have not played with bluelightz, nor read his past games.
But I will note that he posted a case on mementoss and voted, then asked a question about mementoss pointing fingers at hapa. Mementoss answered bluelightz question; bluelightz voted prplhz.
Does he normally back down when someone responds at all or when they respond to his case? I'm still struggling with how mementoss never addresses the actual case at all, just says it's a collections of things with "SCUM!" attached, and bluelightz nonetheless removes his vote because mementoss answers a question that was asked after the case.
For reference - + Show Spoiler +On September 20 2012 04:50 austinmcc wrote:Just for later reference, the Bluelightz stuff: + Show Spoiler +(1) Bluelightz case on mementoss: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 20:55 Bluelightz wrote:First, I think I should outline my main scum suspicions for now: Mementoss
So, basically, I don't think he's contributing. Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:21 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote:
hey guys
please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read
there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? well this is a lie already, what is it with people lieing on there first post? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874You hosted a game he was in. More MKFUBA games if you want + Show Spoiler + Hey, here's some games on X, cheers! I think you obviously couldn't search em up yourself! (Scummy because he's just pointing out the obvious things: Filters of past games). Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:07 Mementoss wrote:
I think day one should be discussing what da bands name is gunna be Clearly trolling is a fine way to start the game! (Read: Nope, it's bad because it's not helping to find scum and win) Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:34 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 06:28 prplhz wrote:
their*
So I am lying or what? I mean, I am not lying unless you think I am perfectly aware who mkfuba07 is yet claims not to be, is that the case?
Maybe you can actually explain to me who he is instead of coming up with a silly list that's readily available to me as well if I just go into his profile. I can do that on my own thank you very much. Thanks for the grammar lesson. Yes, I think if you hosted a game with the player was in it you would have an idea who he was. You asked about him clearly stating `there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is` in reference to MKfuba. Well, you sure made it seem like you were too lazy to find anything about him since you asked the thread about him. The only game I played with him was deathnote, he was active enough, but just seemed to sheep and not lead his own cases. Mostly a commentator. Comments on meta of people are clearly helping us to win the game by killing scum! (Nope.) Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:36 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 06:32 iamperfection wrote:
I randomly suggest a lynch of Marvelosity.
Your guys thoughts? Well you have no basis right now to think he``s scum, so how does this idea make any sense. Town wins by killing all the scum. Well, this post is somewhat helping, by pressurign iamP for post's, but the other half is what? pointing out the wincons, cheers guys! I totally didn't know that. (Haha, no.) Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:43 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 06:40 Hapahauli wrote:On September 18 2012 06:32 iamperfection wrote:
I randomly suggest a lynch of Marvelosity.
Your guys thoughts? Policy lynching one of the best town players day 1 =/= good idea. Like I'm all for policy lynching marv if he's alive past Night 3 (he's basically an auto N1/N2 NK for mafia if he's town), but that's about it. I propose a less-randomly decided lynch against iamperfection. Thoughts? These are the kinda thoughts you keep in your head. Mafia purposely keeps marv alive, for a totally WIFOM, end game cause of what you said. Explain why you think iamperfection is mafia because of that post. No random lynches. -First line: What the hell? -Second Line: Somewhat helpful by pointing out what mafia does with the WIFOM around marv, doesn't help much in finding scum though till late in the game. -Last line: This line is fine, pressures Hapa to post, the other statement is clear enough as well. Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:56 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 06:50 Blazinghand wrote:
Hey pudding-munchers stop arguing about that and read my case I read it. It seems like you played with him alot and can really differentiate between his scum and town. It's not the most for sure case of all time, but the post felt scummy to me as soon as I read it and even moreso when I realized he hosted a game with MKfuba in it. He's the scummiest player so far. Iamperfection seems like noobie, why would mafia out themselves like that, also I think he is bitter because of his history with marv. ##vote: prplhzBlazinghand what do you think of hapa immediately coming to prplhz defence? + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 06:35 Hapahauli wrote:Hai gais! Good to be back in a mini so I can actually keep track of people more closely =) Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:21 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote:
hey guys
please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read
there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? well this is a lie already, what is it with people lieing on there first post? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874You hosted a game he was in. More MKFUBA games if you want + Show Spoiler + Prplhz isn't exactly the most attentive host... I was in that game, and he basically forgot to make the last nightpost for a couple of hours. I wouldn't expect him to remember half the players in that game tbh =P Also what do you think of this clear contradiction from prplhz: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote:
hey guys
please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read
there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? On September 18 2012 06:08 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:07 Mementoss wrote:
I think day one should be discussing what da bands name is gunna be name my band ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8f6HH.png) *Agrees with someone* *Tries to make connections with someone* *Points out contradiction which he doesn't explain though it is clear* Okay, this post mementoss is trying to find scum, but what is his objective by making a connection to Hapa?! (He's trying to possibly direct pressure off prplhz to Hapa, and confusing the lynch target for today) Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 07:01 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 06:55 austinmcc wrote:On September 18 2012 06:50 Hapahauli wrote:
If mafia would like to keep hypothetical townie-marv alive to the endgame because of my "policy lynch," then awesome! Mission accomplished! Though in all seriousness, I've read through quite a few of his recent games. He never lives as town past N3 (barring Mad Men Mafia where he was a replacement) in his recent games. If he's alive a long time, there's a very high chance (IMO basically guaranteed chance) of him flipping red.
<3 everyone at all, but you need to look further. He's generally not being killed off for supersexy scumhunting, but because he comes off as very townie and is generating a lot of discussion/activity from others. His early reads, although I haven't read recent games, are not generally a big threat to mafia.
On September 18 2012 06:50 Blazinghand wrote:
Hey pudding-munchers stop arguing about that and read my case I don't know how anyone can munch on pudding. I DO kind of like that observation. It feels almost TOO obvious but...man it's kind of damning. TOO obvious, as in more obvious than Mattchew in LVII? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=14#261Nothing, can be TOO obvious. Thats like saying you don't think someone is scum, because there TOO scummy. Stop waffling, either you think its scummy or you think its not. Don't say things like "kind of like" and "TOO obvious but damning", your all over the place bro. Denies the possibility of someone being town. Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 07:12 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:On September 18 2012 07:04 Hapahauli wrote:
... or it's not obvious at all, and it's a typical bad D1 case making insane meta connections with barely any samplesize?
If you're pressuring him or whatever, cool, but the case is in no way "damning" or "TOO obvious." In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss I literally sampled every game he's played in the last 3 months. If you think he's so damn town either argue from this dataset, or increase it, or present another case. I do, however, agree with you that scum may try to bus him. Dudes jumping on his case without explanations as townies are A) letting scum do the same thing and skate by and B) setting themselves up for mislynches. If you have a reason to be for or against his lynch, STATE IT. As town you should have no reason to fear thinking openly and logically. Hapa is right (on this particular issue). I did explain it, I found his first post scummy and your case was just some icing on the scum. It's literally an hour in the game, there is no such thing as voting too early. If anything it's going to generate more discussion that can be looked into more later. But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. Talks about someone while inserting a subtle finger onto austinmcc (Hey I think X is scum, but why not lynch Y instead?) Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:02 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 07:46 Hapahauli wrote:Alas! Austinmcc is at work so we won't be hearing from him for a while. One other post did catch my eye though: On September 18 2012 07:12 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:On September 18 2012 07:04 Hapahauli wrote:
... or it's not obvious at all, and it's a typical bad D1 case making insane meta connections with barely any samplesize?
If you're pressuring him or whatever, cool, but the case is in no way "damning" or "TOO obvious." In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss I literally sampled every game he's played in the last 3 months. If you think he's so damn town either argue from this dataset, or increase it, or present another case. I do, however, agree with you that scum may try to bus him. Dudes jumping on his case without explanations as townies are A) letting scum do the same thing and skate by and B) setting themselves up for mislynches. If you have a reason to be for or against his lynch, STATE IT. As town you should have no reason to fear thinking openly and logically. Hapa is right (on this particular issue). I did explain it, I found his first post scummy and your case was just some icing on the scum. 1 It's literally an hour in the game, there is no such thing as voting too early. 2 If anything it's going to generate more discussion that can be looked into more later. 3 But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. 4 Holy wishy-washy post batman! Let's follow the logic: 1) First post is scummy and case makes prplhz scummier! 2) No such thing as voting too early! (errr... where did that come from? making excuses already?) 3) But eh... it will generate discussion and we'll look more into it later. (oh? thought prplhz was very scummy to you? awfully passive for such a strong read on him) 4) Holy freggin wishy-washy opinion on austinmcc. 1) Yeah first post was scummy and it fits the meta analysis aka best case atm. How is accusing people scummy? 2) I said no such thing as voting too early is because a lot of people think they have to wait till last minute to vote especially on day 1, and usually a bad consolidation happens. Voting earlier will just bring up more cases throughout the day. 3) Nothing to do with one another. 4) How is calling someone scummy wishy washy. I don't follow your logic. But I guess it's your thing to jump on me day 1s lol. Defend's himself, this is fine, as he is trying to prove he is town and indeed, not scum. Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 09:36 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you. The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1. Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game.On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL? I say we respect his wishes. ## Vote Marvelosity Well, that means it isn't random because it was pre-meditated and thought out. Sooo, yeah. Point's out something on iamP's reason's on marv (subtlely defending him?) Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 09:39 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 09:37 iamperfection wrote:On September 18 2012 09:36 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you. The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1. Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game.On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL? I say we respect his wishes. ## Vote Marvelosity Well, that means it isn't random because it was pre-meditated and thought out. Sooo, yeah. Believe it or not it did randomly come out as marv. oh I thought your meant you told marv you would be voting for him specifically in the next game. acknowledges failure in understand iamP's reason's on marv, doesn't help find scum any how! Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 09:55 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Well tbh, you could make that entire chart red - I lynched goodkarma in one game because I thought his play was "too clean" =P
But back to iamperfection, I'm definitely leaning scummy to him for now. I can't yet discount him just being plain pissed that you voted for him (a townie OMGUS type thing), but the sudden severity of it all is just really strange. Answer this, why would scum make their first post that? It obviously wouldn't do anything towards getting Marv lynched. It would only bring negative attention towards himself. Direct's more pressure on Hapa, So, now with this last quote I leave you with this question, Who is your main scum target memen? You voted prplhz, inserted subtle fingers on austinmcc, and is pressuring Hapa, who do you think is scum actually? Oh, and ##Vote: Mementoss (2) Ange asks why Bluelightz is voting Mementoss over prplhz: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 22:36 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 22:01 Ange777 wrote:@prplhz: On September 18 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote:
Disclaimer: I don't read any analysis that refer to the "Zephirdd Rule" also known as the "Kenpachi Rule Extended" because I think it's bullshit.
Anyway, HapaHauli is playing active and townie and I have no interest in lynching him today. Ange777 is looking terrible though.
@Ange777 Have you been scum at any point and can you direct me to one of those games?
List of people who suck: Bluelightz, marvellosity. What makes you think my play is terrible? And why does thinking the Kenpachi/Zephirdd Rule is bullshit entitle you to just ignore cases? Just because someone posts bullshit does not mean that it can't help you uncover scum. Again I don't see any kind of scum hunting from you. Scum? + Show Spoiler +In my first game ever I rolled scum: Newbie XII. @Bluelightz: What makes you think that Mementoss is more scummy than prplhz? Your biggest concern seems to be that he has many different scum reads but that does not mean that he is not contributing. In contrary it is better than prplhz's filter who has not backed up his suspicions with an explanation at all. Haven't read on him yet, and when I read the thread once I came back from school he didn't stick out, I'll get to reading him now and adjust my reads accordingly. (3) Bluelightz asks questions about what Mementoss is doing at that time in the thread, while saying he finds prplhz scummy but not giving more than general reasoning: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 22:57 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 22:40 Mementoss wrote:
@Bluelightz case
I understand you just went through all my filter, and basically resaid the things I posted. I don't see how it makes me scum, and adding SCUM! at the end doesn't make it make me scummy lol. In the future when making a case, you should outline how the quotes make the person scum and not re-iterate what the post says.
Can't say much more now since I'm at work. Why do you have to point fingers on everyone and your now pushing Hapa but voting prplhz? On September 18 2012 23:12 Bluelightz wrote:
Hmm, prplhz seems even more useless then mementoss, he has declared his stances on some people, and as you said, some unexplained reads. On September 19 2012 00:07 Bluelightz wrote:
Memen: Aren't you just deflecting pressure onto mkfuba? If you want to answer like that at least explain to me why it's the same, oh and answer my question. (4) Mementoss responds to Bluelightz case and question: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 22:40 Mementoss wrote:
@Bluelightz case
I understand you just went through all my filter, and basically resaid the things I posted. I don't see how it makes me scum, and adding SCUM! at the end doesn't make it make me scummy lol. In the future when making a case, you should outline how the quotes make the person scum and not re-iterate what the post says.
Can't say much more now since I'm at work. On September 18 2012 23:14 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 22:57 Bluelightz wrote:On September 18 2012 22:40 Mementoss wrote:
@Bluelightz case
I understand you just went through all my filter, and basically resaid the things I posted. I don't see how it makes me scum, and adding SCUM! at the end doesn't make it make me scummy lol. In the future when making a case, you should outline how the quotes make the person scum and not re-iterate what the post says.
Can't say much more now since I'm at work. Why do you have to point fingers on everyone and your now pushing Hapa but voting prplhz? If you want to know my best scum read, check who I'm voting, that will be it. I'm not pushing Hapa, I'm asking him to explain his reasoning more. Don't purposely misinterpret me, don't you see how far that got Zephridd with his case on Hapa? I'm allowed to pressure other players while voting another player. There is more than 1 scum in this game ya know. I would say the only other person I remotely pressured so far would be austinmcc's scummy indecisiveness. On September 19 2012 00:26 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 00:07 Bluelightz wrote:
Memen: Aren't you just deflecting pressure onto mkfuba? If you want to answer like that at least explain to me why it's the same, oh and answer my question. Read the thread I answered your questions. And please take off scum shaded glasses everytime you talk to me, I'm not deflecting pressure onto mkfuba, I'm getting verification from Marv, why he is biased towards one lurker over the other. RESPONSE TO NON-BLUELIGHTZ STUFF SNIPPED (5) Bluelightz response: + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2012 00:55 Bluelightz wrote:
Ah, Memen, I see. Good explanation.
##Unvote: Mementoss
##Vote: prplhz
If he doesn't step up his contributions (so do I), I think I'll keep my vote on him. I'll go into more detail on this tomorrow as I have to sleep. mementoss never really addresses Bluelightz' case. Just dislikes it as a whole, doesn't find any of what Bluelightz found scummy to be scummy. mementoss answers a follow-up question that Bluelightz had. Bluelightz asked this question without responding to mementoss's wholesale dismissal of his case. Bluelightz accepts that answer, unvotes, votes prplhz without giving much/any reasoning until today (there's a small bit in his response to Ange but it's generalized comments and you don't see any bluelightz-specific thoughts) Bluelightz then says today, at the end of his prplhz post: Basically that's why and I'll be happy to answer any questions/ give opinions on anyone. Noticeably hasn't updated his read on mementoss. We're not even sure if bluelightz finds mementoss scummy anymore, as the unvote was NOT related to a refutation of the case, so bluelightz should still be standing by his case. He doesn't drop in to say anything about mementoss at all, despite his initial target picking up SOME steam (yes yes, I know he's not leading in votes or anything) I do not like this interaction at all. Burying it in spoilers, don't want to push bluelightz today, but I really, really dislike that interaction. If I end up dying, someone please dig this up.
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On September 21 2012 04:21 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 01:50 Hapahauli wrote:Yeah, like I"m comparing his mentality here to his mentality in some of his other town games. His Normal Mini III play should speak for itself (townie reads on everrrryone), but take one of his posts in GSL Mini for example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=365925¤tpage=15#295He doesn't really tunnel 1 scumread. Gives a townie, null, and slightly scummy read all in one post. There are several posts like that throughout his filter - he rarely takes a hardline "tunnel-y" opinion on someone in that game. Or his first post in GSL: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=365925¤tpage=7#128He establishes Risen as town when the whole town wants to lynch him.
The most recent scumgame I found in his filter was Normal Mini II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349058&user=235418He does play a fairly different meta than this game (few very long posts, etc), but I think he's displaying a similar mentality. He's very critical of people's play in his scumgame (as he was with prplzh). He's much more sure of his reads, similar to this game. This could be a trip down meta-confirmationbais lane and I'll have to look more into it, but the mentality IMO is striking. I'd be interested to hear other's thoughts. I would disagree he seemed very unsure of his read on me in the early game this game. When Bluelightz posted his case on you, posed a question, then unvoted later, did you feel like he was consistent in his behavior? Entirely independent of your alignment, how did you read Bluelightz vote/unvote?
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On September 21 2012 04:50 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 04:31 austinmcc wrote:On September 21 2012 04:21 Mementoss wrote:On September 21 2012 01:50 Hapahauli wrote:Yeah, like I"m comparing his mentality here to his mentality in some of his other town games. His Normal Mini III play should speak for itself (townie reads on everrrryone), but take one of his posts in GSL Mini for example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=365925¤tpage=15#295He doesn't really tunnel 1 scumread. Gives a townie, null, and slightly scummy read all in one post. There are several posts like that throughout his filter - he rarely takes a hardline "tunnel-y" opinion on someone in that game. Or his first post in GSL: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=365925¤tpage=7#128He establishes Risen as town when the whole town wants to lynch him.
The most recent scumgame I found in his filter was Normal Mini II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349058&user=235418He does play a fairly different meta than this game (few very long posts, etc), but I think he's displaying a similar mentality. He's very critical of people's play in his scumgame (as he was with prplzh). He's much more sure of his reads, similar to this game. This could be a trip down meta-confirmationbais lane and I'll have to look more into it, but the mentality IMO is striking. I'd be interested to hear other's thoughts. I would disagree he seemed very unsure of his read on me in the early game this game. When Bluelightz posted his case on you, posed a question, then unvoted later, did you feel like he was consistent in his behavior? Entirely independent of your alignment, how did you read Bluelightz vote/unvote? It seemed legit to me, I think he wrote his case came back and realized it was pretty wrong/bad. Then my responses cleared up any doubts he had.
Okay. Any posts you can link to back those thoughts up? Specifically the him realizing it was wrong/bad and what responses cleared things up.
Trying to see that interaction from all angles, although he doesn't seem to <3 responding to things.
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Unless my supervisor drops by, I'm going to dedicate most of this last hour to this game. Things I know I want to look at:- marv and palmar
- ange777. I replaced in for her in a newbie game where she felt like a very solid player, as far as I know she played well in other games? Feel like her pushing prplhz so hard, especially towards the last bit of D1, should have generated enough posts that I can get a solid read off her
- Zephirdd - I know he was active early, then it felt like he slipped away for a long time, only to come back and demand votes. Need to double-check that was what happened and get a stronger read on him
Is there anything that anyone wants me to address specifically? I know I'm null to a lot of people, or still scummy.
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On September 21 2012 05:03 Hapahauli wrote:Ok actually this post by mkfuba is really freggin weird. Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 03:56 mkfuba07 wrote:On September 20 2012 02:58 marvellosity wrote:On September 20 2012 02:56 mkfuba07 wrote:
EBWOP: "He mentions them elsewhere, but doesn't explain them until after he's posted the list." I feel like at that point it's not even a summary, it's just a list of people who don't have to worry about being pressured by prplhz.
Sorry for posting so much right now. I believe I have class during the deadline, and while I will have access to a computer for the later half of it, I can't guarantee that I'll have time to keep posting then. As your vote is currently on austinmcc, care to comment on his case and what you make of his recent activity? Absolutely! I think the most convincing thing about it is the overall feeling that MMToss isn't really pressuring his scumreads. He hasn't said much about prplhz since the vote until his post about marv and I being suspicious together. I actually forgot that he even had his vote on him. Austinmcc didn't feel particularly pressured. And despite feeling like MMToss should be voting for me instead of prplhz based on his posting so far, I don't feel particularly pressured by him. He seems to be kind of passively throwing around suspicion, but keeping his vote firmly set on prplhz without any force behind it. I'm not sure if this is necessarily scummy (I know, wishy-washy), but I don't feel like it's consistent with MMToss's town play (the limited amount that I have experienced). Gotta switch classrooms... I'll take another look at austin's recent posts and comment when I'm settled in the other room. Sorry about that :< Marv asked him for his read on austinmcc. "Absolutely!" "MMtoss is playing strange..." "I'll look at austin later" Wat?
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, see yesterday's discussion. Yes, that's a weird post. My initial gut reaction was that it was a screwup between the two for some posts they'd planned out in QT. I think that's being overly paranoid, but it IS quite the weird response to that question.
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marv, thoughts on Hiro and Bluelightz? You had hiro scummy for a bit, agreed with a lot of what he was posting, and generally had a lot of ... I dunno, distant interaction? with him. Agreeing with his points, directing others to look at his posts for your thoughts. Where does your read on him stand atm?
Also, can you give any sort of read on ange?
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EBWOP: Scratch Bluelightz from that question. I dunno how that got in there. Just wondering about hiro/ange
On September 21 2012 05:20 austinmcc wrote:
marv, thoughts on Hiro and Bluelightz? You had hiro scummy for a bit, agreed with a lot of what he was posting, and generally had a lot of ... I dunno, distant interaction? with him. Agreeing with his points, directing others to look at his posts for your thoughts. Where does your read on him stand atm?
Also, can you give any sort of read on ange?
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Ugh. Rushing to get this out.
I don't want to lynch marv or palmar tomorrow at the moment. Just mild townreads on each. Any suspicions are pretty weak, and it's stuff like:
palmar isn't giving much reasoning behind his reads currently. But if you look at the FIRST reads he gave on his initial readthrough of the thread, there was some more reasoning, pointing out posts, and definitive explanations that X's response to this specific question from Y meant that he had a townread on X. Unsure why the manner in which he gives his reads has changed.
marv HIMSELF reads townie to me, but I keep being paranoid and feeling like his interactions with hiro and interactions with ange are odd. There are lots of little back and forths between the two.
hiropro reads town by himself, but again it's odd interactions with marv. marv asking for hiro to go grab certain posts about mementoss/hapa early, hiro does so, felt townie on its own. hiro's suspicions on me felt probably townie to me.
ange, upon reread, did put in a good bit of effort. And there are a lot of posts that I really like, some of the ways in which she explained her townread on me, and some of the posts where she and I were following the same trains of thought (iamperfections vote on me, phoneposted explanation, that whole bit). However, I'd like ange to answer a couple things:
On September 20 2012 04:00 Ange777 wrote:
I agree with austinmcc's case that Mementoss does not follow up his questions. I have to read through his filter once more though to give a final stance on him.
Who was the final his/him in this sentence? If they were about me, you did give an updated read, but could you give an updated read of mementoss? I didn't see you talk much about him.
Also, I think you(Ange) misinterpreted this post: + Show Spoiler +On September 21 2012 01:07 Ange777 wrote:Finally people are taking a closer look at Palmar. I don't know about his past achievements of being perhaps a terrific scum hunter but I have not seen anything worthy of being praised like that in this game yet. Unfortunately I won't be in for the deadline, for now my top scum reads are Palmar and iamperfection. @iamperfection: Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 22:57 iamperfection wrote:
also at ange i want to you to explain more on your thought process at the deadline. What was going through your head when the claims came out.
What was going on? I have you marked as a scum read that's what's going on. Why would someone give up his right to vote just to simply sheep another player? Especially sheeping someone you yourself called a terrible townie. There is no town motivatoin for that kind of play. Publicly stating to sheep your town read just gives you an excuse to be wrong with your vote because you were not responsible for it. And suddenly vote switching in the last minutes onto the seemingly scum prplhz whom you had not mentioned again after dismissing Blazinghand's case as being a weak meta case is just something I don't understand. Two possibilities: 1) You are town. You want to make sure prplhz gets lynched. But we already had the majority to lynch him. So why the last minute vote? We discussed prplhz a lot before the end of Day 1 and you did not give your stance on him. 2) You are scum. You wanted to get some town cred for jumping on "scum prplhz". Right now I am leaning to 2 as you still haven't given me a satisfying answer for your voting behaviour. On September 20 2012 05:57 Ange777 wrote:
So you are confirming Hapa's mason claim?
and then didn't do anything with his response until On September 20 2012 06:03 Ange777 wrote:
Where is the flip? I wanna get the celebration starting
after the deadline. Why did you want to know whether prplhz confirmed the mason claim if you weren't going to do anything about it?
Haven't gotten to zephirdd.
Right now, still not unconvinced about mementoss.
Still want bluelightz to answer some questions about his swap, or to just actually be back in thread
Would like answers from ange about those questions to her, a little worried about them
mildly townie on marv, the scummiest parts i see are his interactions with hiro/ange, although nothing is glaringly scummy about any of it.
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So...all we have to do is google "scum [playername]"
If it comes back an exploding toilet - town
Anything else(?) - scum
Game over.
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On September 21 2012 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 06:04 Mementoss wrote:
well this is shit on 2 levels
it doesn't confirm me town at all
and i didn't hit scum. It doesnt?
SK
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On September 21 2012 06:06 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:On September 21 2012 06:04 Mementoss wrote:
well this is shit on 2 levels
it doesn't confirm me town at all
and i didn't hit scum. It doesnt? Mafia should have 2 kp if 3 players or 1 kp SK and 1 kp mafia
•Scum KP is fixed at 1. SK KP is fixed at 1.
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