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On September 20 2012 06:05 Hapahauli wrote: I was out until 20 minutes ago. I though people wouldn't be this fucking stupid and voting Prplhz when meta evidence was the polar opposite. In GSL Open I tried making a case on scum prplhz when I was told to drop my case as he'd be playing to his town meta ... I am not going to dismiss a case just simply because of meta again. | ||
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On September 20 2012 06:26 iamperfection wrote: Why did you think it was wierd that i was changing my vote? Because I don't understand your voting behaviour. When we were criticising you for sheeping with your town reads you were confident enough that they would find scum and only this made you actually vote yourself? | ||
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Unfortunately I won't be in for the deadline, for now my top scum reads are Palmar and iamperfection. @iamperfection: On September 20 2012 22:57 iamperfection wrote: also at ange i want to you to explain more on your thought process at the deadline. What was going through your head when the claims came out. What was going on? I have you marked as a scum read that's what's going on. Why would someone give up his right to vote just to simply sheep another player? Especially sheeping someone you yourself called a terrible townie. There is no town motivatoin for that kind of play. Publicly stating to sheep your town read just gives you an excuse to be wrong with your vote because you were not responsible for it. And suddenly vote switching in the last minutes onto the seemingly scum prplhz whom you had not mentioned again after dismissing Blazinghand's case as being a weak meta case is just something I don't understand. Two possibilities: 1) You are town. You want to make sure prplhz gets lynched. But we already had the majority to lynch him. So why the last minute vote? We discussed prplhz a lot before the end of Day 1 and you did not give your stance on him. 2) You are scum. You wanted to get some town cred for jumping on "scum prplhz". Right now I am leaning to 2 as you still haven't given me a satisfying answer for your voting behaviour. | ||
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Basically the biggest part of the case against me is my posting before the prplhz flip right? I don't know what is that incriminating in my posts so I'll go through them one by one and explain my thought process. On September 20 2012 05:57 Ange777 wrote: So you are confirming Hapa's mason claim? Hapa kept insisting that prplhz will flip mason. + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 05:56 Hapahauli wrote: No, I'm freggin claiming mason because prplhz is going to flip mason 100% On September 20 2012 05:59 prplhz wrote: i lied because i was a troll i really thought you'd unvote when hapa claiemd because mason claim ties people together and of course scum don't mess that up but fuck it you're so dumb i don't know what to do so am i but whatever On September 20 2012 05:58 Ange777 wrote: Why are you ninja voting iamperfection??? I tried to explain this one earlier. After what happened I had iamperfection marked down as a scum read. Not willing to vote himself but relying on the judgement and vote of someone else makes no sense as townie. Not with so much discussion we had day 1. So him suddenly voting scum prplhz made no sense if he had no interactions with prplhz and didn't even care enough to choose his lynch target himself. Therefore I was wondering if he tried to get town cred by bussing prplhz last minute. On September 20 2012 06:03 Ange777 wrote: Where is the flip? I wanna get the celebration starting I had nothing else to add until that point. I was still convinced that prplhz was scum and was eagerly waiting for the flip. As for the other big case on me by Mementoss: On September 21 2012 10:22 Mementoss wrote: I think Ange777 is scum for a couple reasons. The smilely face opener, looking to look innocent, consistent with Ange777 scum meta. Probably won't make sense to any of you but I co-hosted Ange777 first game which she was scum and she opened similar, obviously she played a lot different otherwise cause didnt understand the game as much. Analysis here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332805¤tpage=27#539 Come one ... scum meta? I have played one single game as scum which also was my first game of Forum mafia ever. Please don't make the mistake and call me scum for typing a smiley. I am a smiley person. I just love putting smileys into my sentences but having seen that people always seem to take smiley suspicious I have already tried to cut down my smiley usage in mafia games. The amount of people calling Ange777 town for effort in day 1 is ridiculous. You can put in as much effort as scum as town. And I don't see Ange really doing that much to be honest. Mostly all of her filter is questions. Asking questions is good, but town motivation for asking questions is to make a follow up read and assessment of the answer, scum motivation for asking questions is because 1) its easy 2) it shows your reading the thread and 3) you can incriminate other people with the proper use of a question. No point in me quoting it, but look through the filter, there is more questions than actual analysis or statements. So Ange is really just posting the questions without using the questions to further the analysis. That's the way I try to understand people's thought process. If I can't understand why people are doing something I can't differ between scum and town. You can go through the last games I played as town and you'll probably see that there too I am asking lots of questions especially in day 1. I need some time to gather my information before I can unleash my complete force of scum hunting. Here is anges first display of scum hunting, the first attempt of the prphlz case: 1st point is a soft form of OMGUS. You voted me? No explanation? Its not townie like, but no where angie explains why it makes him scum. 2nd point not wanting to lynch palmar day 1 is a pretty common opinion, but for some reason it makes prplhz scum. Again no explanation of scum motives. 3rd point townie list, no explanation why she thinks its scumm 4th point voting marv, no explanation why she thinks its scummy again. This is the only indication ange thinks prplhz is scum, Instead of finding scum by yourself you have others do the work for you. That's scum motivation. But its not really a thought out or extended explanation and again it was said by a lot of people earlier. So overall, she took a target who was already under heat and summed up what everyone in the thread already pointed out, but never explained why she thought it was scummy. Why is asking him why he wants to lynch me a form of OMGUS? There are two possibilities who might lynch me: scum and town. Of course I need to find out if he has a decent reason to vote me or if he is scum and therefore I should be suspicious of. Why is not wanting to lynch Palmar day 1 a common opinion? I still don't get this. Over and over again he is being praised but there is nothing in his filter which is actually a decent contribution with an open thought process. Nothing. So why should he be spared a day 1 lynch? Only stating town reads will only help us when you have 9 town reads and can find scum by process of elimination. I asked prplhz several times for a scum read which he didn't provide. Scum knows the alignment of all the players so of course it's easy for them to give out town reads because they won't be wrong about them. So only giving out town reads is scummy. This particular point didn't make him scummy at that point. It was just a question because I don't understand how he can't see it my way. Ange's second attempt at finding scum. But wait, its the same.... guy. What. She's basically shovelling the same shit over again. What is the point of doing this as town? Who are you trying to convince really? Prplhz was already the leader by 3 votes at this point, and you aren't bringing anything new to the table. The only motivation of doing this seems to me is scum motivation. Again, easy to fucking write up, trying to hard push the mislynch and no one will say anything because its the popular wagon atm, she doesn't want to have to make bad ties with anyone else this early in the game. Its fucking safe. She knows prplhz is going to get lynched, she doesn't want to make a case on someone else and stand out and possibly piss them off so they make another case on her. There is no reason to remake the case again on the leader of votes as town. There are 2-3 scum or a SK in this game, try hunting elsewhere, bring up new people. Yes, prplhz was the leader by 3 votes but no one seemed to be willing to switch onto prplhz. Instead we had new cases pop up all the time which lead to an awful split town shortly before the deadline. I wanted people to rethink why they don't want to lynch prplhz when there was so much incriminating things in his posts. With everyone dead set on his votes and split like this of course there is a town motivation for remaking this case. After the case on prplhz I tried to pressure Palmar but no one from you was willing to comment on it. All were giving him a free ride for day 1 just because he is Palmar. Seeing as we still had no majority I was of course more pre occupied with getting that majority instead of a no-lynch. Therefore the no in hindsight regrettably tunneling of prplhz. I could go over each point again but read this case and tell me it seems like ange is trying hard to find scum or just pulling posts out of the filter and making commentary. Honestly if you spun this exact case the right way, it could be made against half the people in the game. Its not about scum motivation or scummy behaviour again, its based on what ange sees as non town like behaviour, or I wouldnt play like this as town behaviour. Pointing out things like fluff and town reads is all find and dandy, but why does it make him scum. "I agree with austinmcc's case that Mementoss does not follow up his questions. I have to read through his filter once more though to give a final stance on him." I found this pretty ironic, as 75% of anges filter is questions, and barely any are used to be analysed or actually assessed. They are just for the sake of being active and being townie. Town usually has a purpose in their mind behind the questions, scum already knows the answers and questions for them are just to look townie. You say it yourself, it can be seen as me trying to make commentary on other people's filter or that I am actually trying to find scum. It's the latter. Of course pointing out fluff and town reads is not always the right path to nail scum but posting fluff and town reads instead of scum reads IS easier as scum and should be considered as suspicious. Again as explained above, I tried to pressure Palmar and seeing that we still had no majority I tried to convince other people to vote prplhz. I especially asked the people voting austin to reconsider as I think his case was weak and not convincing and therefore austin should not be considered as the most scummiest player so that people vote prplhz instead. This is pretty ironic as well, as anges whole case on prplhz is that he is too lazy to hunt scum himself and is trying to get people to do the work for him. I was looking for the case against austin as I wanted to defend him but couldn't find the actual post. I found it later anyway. This defense on austin is very weird and stuck out to me as soon as I read it. Just because you get more active, doesn't eliminate the fact that you have a post that was scummy. The fact that he posted a poor explanation to start can't make him more townie, it means he wasn't being honest and writing from his mind. He was writing to prove his innocence rather than just state what he was doing. If he couldn't do it the first time it means he had to actively think about his defense, something a town player posting openly wouldn't do. The fact that I think austinmcc is still scummy isn't helping out ange at all. This poor logic and jumble of words defending austin is really scummy to me. It feels forced. Marv also pointed this out and anges second explanation is just as logically flawed as the first. Actually marv also said the following: On September 20 2012 05:41 marvellosity wrote: I can understand how it can be viewed both ways. But given the context of his whole play at the time, the only thing he'd done is post about 10 times on defending himself, and not at all at hunting scum. So he CAN understand that it can be viewed both ways. Don't misrepresent the facts. Only scum would say this. Solely Trying to incriminate iamprefection with the question, when the answer was fucking obvious to anyone and everyone. The conflicting claims when one of them was obviously fake. And it wasn't a ninja vote since there is no voting thread and it was in plain sight. Then there is the trying so hard to be emotional and surprised. Like honestly most of us were surprised, but ange is letting everyone KNOW how surprised she was. Why is this? Cause she already knew the result beforehand. I explained this earlier. Please see the above for my thought process. This isn't much but I think it was obvious that ange77 was going to make another case on the easy player, fuba. Most liekly mashing everything that was already mentioned in the thread all in one neat quote post. CONTRIIBUTINGGG. Nope, actually I was and still intend to make a case against Palmar. Who was my top scum read which I also posted during Night 1. Finally people are starting to take a closer look at palmar? What is this. People were mentioning palmars posts for a good part of day 1. This sentence is just trying to make yourself look good for mentioning you were "suspecting" palmar at one point. Ange saying there is no town motivation for iamperfections play is just ridiculous and its actually the opposite. Ange is trying to incriminate him and put together a case against someone she doesn't find dangerous. Someone that won't come back and call her out. Someone that won't attempt to call her on her shit. Town motivation for switching votes, you thought the claim was fake and ridiculous so you changed your vote to who you thought was scum. Any reasonable town in the thread WOULD make this switch. Scum motivation for making this switch? There is none, why would scum want to last minute switch onto a townie? Why would scum want to out themselves by doing this? He could have easily pretended not to be in the thread. Yeah, people were mentioning Palmar's posts quite a lot but like almost no one except for marv was actually criticizing Palmar's play. People were only saying that Palmar looked town. I WAS suspecting Palmar for quite a long time already. So I only put cases against people that are not dangerous? No, I put cases against people that play scummy. If any reasonable town in the thread would make this switch why were there still people in the thread not voting prplhz who did not switch their vote? Like austin? You are asking why scum would last minute switch. I can do the same and ask why scum would not last minute switch. It's the fact that he didn't care to chose his own vote target and yet cared enough to vote switch that made me suspicious. TLDR; 1) People calling ange town for effort and contributing, when ange was never in danger, no reason for this. 2) Ange looks like contributing, but actually just 2 cases on the case that was already made, by people in the thread, actually just asking a ton of questions without a purpose behind the questions 3) Cases don't provide reason why actions are scummy. Seems to be targetting the easiest players, the players that won't come back at her and call her scum, prplhz, >mkfuba > iamperfection. 4) Flawed logic towards austinmcc and iamperfection, to try and paint their alignment the way she wants. Austinmcc defense that makes no sense, Aggressive on iamperfection for voting a scummy action and saying its scum motivation when in no way it is. 5) The smiley face opener 6) Go read you lazy fucker Ange777 the secret it out you are scum ##Vote:Ange777 I also think Austinmcc is still scum, more thoughts on that later hopefully. Yes, I have only made 2 bigger cases and asked tons of questions. Questions I need answers to or I can't make cases. My cases don't target people that are easy targets. Take prplhz for example, he did call me scummy. And I have not made a case on mkfuba. I had simply announced that I would re-read his filter. I started to question Palmar. I don't think that you would call him an easy target would you? Austin's defense was not non sense at all, otherwise marv wouldn't have agreed that it can be viewed my way. And I don't see why my logic on iamperfection's vote switch is flawed at all. Come one ... really? The smiley rule?  If there is anything I haven't addressed feel free to ask me. I might have missed something. But please rather sooner than later cause otherwise I'll go to sleep first. | ||
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On September 22 2012 08:42 austinmcc wrote: What would your read be on me if all you had was the TOO obvious post and the prplhz vote post? What is your current read on mementoss? If you had to choose a lynch target for today that wasn't you, palmar, or marv, who would you be looking at and why? If we weren't playing mafia, and everyone in this thread was actually a mountain (except you), who would be the tallest mountain? Which mountain would have the most wildlife living on it? Read on you before was null/town. Now it's town. Current read on Mementoss is scummy. He accuses me of only making a case on a player who was already under suspicion from a lot of players. Same can be said for him. And I don't think his case has any merit, it seems more like his quote I could go over each point again but read this case and tell me it seems like ange is trying hard to find scum or just pulling posts out of the filter and making commentary. can be applied to him as well. Especially the Smiley part of his case is just ridiculous. I can't get the thought out of my head that he is simply looking for things in my filter that he can turn scummy like the smiley. To be honest, I have not read through the latest pages that closely (it really is late) and I would like to re-read them before making my choice. But if I can't pick Palmar (I wouldn't lynch marv, I still have a nullish read on him) it would be one of Mementoss or iamperfection. Mementoss for this absolutely weird case and iamperfection for not contributing at all until being called out by me. Tallest mountain? iamperfection. Most wildlife? Zeph On September 22 2012 08:42 iamperfection wrote: @ ange i believe someone pointed out you usally are never this inactive for a period of time do you have any explanation? I don't know if you want to hear about my real life issues ... if it helps I was excessively inactive in Newbie Mafia XV and I was town. | ||
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On September 22 2012 08:44 HiroPro wrote: prplhz calling you scummy makes it not an easy target. yes, makes perfect sense. has nothing to do with the amount of people going after him or the attention on him. and lol "questioning" palmar is not the same as calling him scum or making a case. I can't change the fact that he indeed was behaving scummily. Unfortunately I don't have a rule to only make cases against scummy players that have not been targeted by other players. And as for not making an official case on Palmar, I just haven't had the time. But I will preemptively vote him and deliver my case tomorrow if that satisfies you. ##Vote: Palmar | ||
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On September 22 2012 09:08 austinmcc wrote: The same thing that happened here happened after the night flips. There was momentary 2 v 1 KP confusion. Ah ok. | ||
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