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On September 23 2012 00:52 Dandel Ion wrote:
Eh, if that's going to be the wagon, so be it.
##unvote
##vote stutters
Who would you rather the wagon be? I see you come into the thread with a scumread that other people thought was scummy at the time, (most especially myself) debears attacks you and you immediately go after him even to the point of voting for him. Then two people go for stutters and it's time to change your vote to stutters? Is debears still your top read? Don't you even want to try to see if you can push your case?
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On September 23 2012 01:48 kushm4sta wrote:
@thrawn please change your vote. Your argument for stutters was really good, yet you dont vote for him?
because rethos/dandel is my stronger read. The stutters thing is based on the fact that he's a lurker (and the way he lurks is suspicious) and as for my argument, it's based on several assumptions. It's a mix of true asumptions and likely assumptions, but because some of it is based on information I can't confirm then makes it as weak as an association case. I'll change but that's only if rethos isn't gonna get lynched.
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Sharrant does your mason friend have his own suspicions and reads or is he just leaving you all the work? I haven't seen enough out of him to know hardly anything about what he's thinking. Tell him to get in here.... so far I's say he's actually doing worse than cubu
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For the people who think dandel's posting is scummy, consider this:
A lot of the stuff he has said looks scummy, but it only looks scummy if you already think rethos is scum. He's being accused of trying to deflect attention onto remedy, but lets look at the motivations behind that. Yes, he could do it if he is scum, but would he be so obvious about it? Also if he was trying to deflect onto remedy then wouldn't the other mafia try to pitch in and help deflect? Now if he is town, then of course he will be super aggressive about trying to get other people to comment on his reads. That's pretty much a townie's primary objective if they think that they are gonna be mislynched. If they know they will die then the most helpful thing they could possibly to is to try and get people discussion their reads so that when they flip green then town will have a lot to look at.
Like I said I've thought dandel's posting was scummy but that scum read is only based off of me thinking that rethos was scum. And one thing I haven't considered about rethos is that if he was lying about being bored he could still be town. Also it is somewhat accepted that you are supposed to give replacements a decent amount of time to play before you lynch them. So for all of those reasons I don't like the idea of lynching dandel today. I think more time is needed to get a read on him.
Therefore, ##Unvote
So now I want to lynch either remedy or stutters. I think both are very good options. I've talked a lot about remedy but basically nobody outside of the people who share reads on everything have shared their reads on him.
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edit: "the most helpful thing they could possibly do is to try and get people to discuss"
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btw guys i'm going to a drumline thingy in 3 hours so if you haven't shared your top reads please do so soon. I'll be phone posting after that but I'd rather be able to vote while on a laptop than while on a phone lol
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Ok. Having a vote on an outlier who is in no possible danger of being lynched suggests not giving a shit about who is lynched. Also, he comes into the thread (6 minutes I think?) after the vote deadline after being afk for quite a while. He even admitted to lurking in the thread and his explanation was:
"I could have easily gone after drazak or Cubu Day 1, but instead I refused to vote on Cubu, and I didn't know what to think on the Drazak situation. That is why I didn't post with 45 minutes remaining day 1. I didn't think i could say anything that would make a difference when Lynch time was so close."
First off the phrase: "I could have easily gone after drazak or Cubu Day 1" looks like a potential scumslip. And the reason he said he didnt post was because he couldn't think of anything useful to say. Possible, but town players are interested in helping town. Looks more like he didn't care about who was lynched.
Then after the rethos debacle he comes in with this insightful post:
On September 22 2012 03:15 RemedySC wrote:
Also this was rethos's first game ever.
Before playing mafia, he would be excited to try it out. Maybe he couldn't get into though.
Hard to believe that's all he would say about the issue if he really cared.
Other people have said other stuff but those are my main reasons.
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##Vote: RemedySC
If not him then stutters for lurker policy, his suspicious posts where he stops lurking when people accuse him of it, and for my process of elimination theory a few pages back.
vote count?
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remedy, a lot of the points brought up against you boil down to this:
you don't seem to care too much about who gets lynched... most especially when the lynch candidates were mostly all confirmed towns (drazak and the masons)
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On September 23 2012 07:20 kushm4sta wrote:
nah I don't like this. anyone want to switch back to stutters?
remedy lynch is based on feel reads and presumed scumslips.
he doesn't care about who gets lynched... how the fuck does that make him scum?
anyone want to swtich back to stutters?
Why stutters over remedy? Looks like you said because its a gut feeling... And earlier you had weird hesitations about lynching stutters based on meta.... What are your reads and order of preference for those players?
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On September 23 2012 07:34 kushm4sta wrote:
thrawn are you there? your drazak lynch theory, about how at least 1 scum voted for drazak. I can't stop thinking about this. turns out itsnot just your theory it is a known truism of mafia.
Now we know there are only 3 possible scum that voted for him. stutters myself and you. if you believe in that theory, how can you not lynxh stutters...
unless you are the mafia who voted because I'm not confident enough in my read of you and the origanal premise to make stutters my first pick
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On September 23 2012 07:41 kushm4sta wrote:
@thrawn well if its true you are town and you have doubts about me, isn't that more of a reason to vote stutters
Lynch a player to get a read on another player that would be based on the idea that there is 1 mafia who voted for drazak? Seems like poor reason to not vote my scumread. No scum could have voted drazak or you and stutters could both be scum.
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On September 23 2012 07:58 kushm4sta wrote:
but your scumreads are always wrong thrawn.
Don't really know how to respond to that... I should not vote my reads? And I don't understand you recent thought process... You keep voting for people then having hesitations that aren't based on much... Just say your damn reads lol
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Debears: lush tellse me to vote for stutters in order to get a beter read on himself... I was pointing out the ways that falls apart. For example they could both be scum, or less likely neither of them
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Lush I really don't know if I trust your read on me cuZ seems like a few hours ago you thought I was town. You seem to go back and forth a lot on everything this game
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On September 23 2012 08:09 kushm4sta wrote:
If we are both scum then you Lynch stutters a scum.
if no one is scum.. well that is possible but its also an extreme rarity.
Ok that is reasonable however it's based on some unproven assumptions..... But first why not remedy
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On September 23 2012 08:45 kushm4sta wrote:
why stutters over remedy even though they are both scum reads?
because at least 1 scum voted for drazak bandwagon. stutters voted for him, remedy didn't
That is a good reason but honesty right now I don't really trust you motives because of how much you've gone back and forth during d2 and especially the last few hours
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Remedy if you put as much effort into the other lynch and making reads as you've just put into defending yourself then nobody would be saying you didn't care
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