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On September 20 2012 06:04 Sharrant wrote:
Okay, so lynches only ever occur at the end of the day, there's no auto lynch once you hit 50%+1? Because I didn't actually see the style of voting mentioned in the OP. So I just assumed the person with the majority of votes at the end of the day is lynched, or if someone has a majority of the votes on them they are lynched.
Then I take back the part about L-1, question why no one else said anything about it earlier when I brought up L-1, and apologize to Drazak about it.
But still, Drazak, do you not see why posting a vote with aboslutely no reasoning is scummy?
In 3 hours whoever has the most votes is getting lynched.
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On September 20 2012 06:30 kushm4sta wrote:
@killing I understand it as sharrant is not roleclaiming. He was trying to get debears to roleclaim mason. I think that's it.
uh, no. he claimed mason, somewhere on page 19
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Sharrant, the logical conclusion of that plan was that both you and your mason partner would have to roleclaim right?
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So, I don't know if I should trust this mason claim or not, but what does everyone think about this plan:
So maybe we should lynch cubu, and if cubu flips mason well then at least we have a confirmed town player (sharrant) and we haven't lost a useful poster. If Cubu doesn't flip mason then we atuo lynch sharrant D2.
In the outcome that cubu is mason, then like others have said about him earlier we aren't losing a player who is willing to scumhunt or contribute or say anything at all. And yeah mafia will have a good target for their nightkills (sharrant) but if there's a medic or a jailkeeper, and I think it's likely that there will be at least one of those, then they can save sharrant from nk's at their own discretion.
All that being said I still don't know if I believe the mason claim or not..... like how the hell am I supposed to get any kind of mason-with-sharrant read on cubu's filter? My instincts tell me that he's lying because of my past suspicions of him and the wtf-ness of the last few pages.
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On September 20 2012 07:10 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Fuuuuck, we don't have a decent counter wagon to Sharrant or Cubu. How many posters are even around right now? How many would consider changing their vote?
I'd say killing or drazak
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I would go with drazak. Previously my lurker lynch back up was killing but drazak made that retarted vote. I've also had earlier supicions of him maily because of his first post, where he goes out of his way to defend accusations against him that haven't even happend yet.
So killing/drazak but I say drazak.
vote count?
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On September 20 2012 07:42 kushm4sta wrote:
there is 2 hours 15 minute left
nope, 1 hour 15 min. in the day post it says we have 47 hours, not 48. the game started late I think
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please please vote count lol
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One thing that seems very very strange is how nobody has voted for killing this entire game, yet lots of people have said he's very scummy and he was even a proposed lynch candidate a few times. . There could possibly be some derailment going on everytime a killing lynch is mentioned.
If you've got insight into the drazak/killing/cubu/sharrant choice now is the time to speak up.
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btw sharrant I still distrust your mason claim but you've put us in a position where we can't confirm your claim without the possibility of getting 1 mason killed and putting another in a very bad spot. Since there's so much confusion about it I'm willing to lynch a lurker and figure you out later.
kush what are your thoughts on killing and drazak?
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On September 20 2012 08:41 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 08:19 drazak wrote:
Obviously, I have many many many hours to devote to things related to mafia, the posts say 1-2 hours a day, I give more like 3-4,and obviously if I had time to read through filters and be less circumspect I would. I have a family life and other things going on, so I can't before deadline. Therefore I'm left with one option which is to say I will post about it D2 morning. I'm willing to look at Killing if other people have stopped on the whole idea of killing a lurker to prove a town. TBH killing a lurker to prove a town is one of the best things that can happen D1, as we have a town to work with D2. That's just my thought on the matter, I haven't really looked at killingtime, and I don't know what his IRL situation is at the moment, so going to bed might be because he has to be up in 4 hours already, staying up another 2-3 would be crazy. It's not "killing a lurker to prove a town", it's killing a town to prove a town. We would be at d3 without both masons and with either 1 or 2 extra townies dead (depending on how successful our d2 lynch is). Best case scenario is d3 with one scum lynched, 2 masons dead and 1 VT night killed. That's bad. The worst case scenario is fucking horrible.
Actually the best case scenario is that if sharrant is lying both he and cubu could be mafia which gives us 2 scum kills. But like you said the worst case scenario in which they are actually masons and there is no jk would leave us with 2 blue roles killed. The best case and worst case scenarios are so extreme making it a pretty big risk, which is why waiting on that issue is a pretty safe route.
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On September 20 2012 09:09 kushm4sta wrote:
My thoughts on killing vs drazak.
drazak
I didn't even think drazak is scummy. I just voted for him now because of the last minute omg we need to vote for someone confusion.
1 he is not that scummy. a lot of scumhunting and nothing that strikes me as a huge scumslip
2 he's not even a lurker. I thought he was more of a lurker but I just went through his filter and I would not consider him a lurker.
killingtime
i was in the process of reading his filter just now, but i just realized the deadline already passed.
so fail.
Kush, you have been a big "we must lynch the biggest lurker" advocate. Based on that last line you were writing that post before you saw the drazak flip right? So not only did you not follow your own policy in your final vote (there are lurkier people than drazak), you also voted for someone that you didn't think is scummy. On top of all of that your drazak vote was even worse than drazak's sharrant vote. Time to go read through your filter.
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On September 20 2012 09:22 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 09:16 Atreides- wrote:
The instant bandwagon against him is pretty interesting, and it's obvious now that the mafia had a strong hand in it. No? What caused that instant bandwagon was sharrant telling everybody that he and cubu were masons. suddenly our 2 bandwagons went to shit and town had to insta pick another because time was almost up.
yeah and instead of staying around to discuss which candidate was better you just voted for one of them with no explanation
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kush it's not a good idea to go to bed angry, you will just wake up with the same poopy pants you wore to bed
I should feel bad because I pushed for a lynch on a player that I thought was scummy all game and then later lied to try and cover it up? Why do you think his mason status is such a sure thing? Your last post is pretty much just an omgus accusation.
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edit: got sniped, "last post" is referring to your post at 9:43 kst
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On September 20 2012 10:08 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 10:00 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush it's not a good idea to go to bed angry, you will just wake up with the same poopy pants you wore to bed
I should feel bad because I pushed for a lynch on a player that I thought was scummy all game and then later lied to try and cover it up? Why do you think his mason status is such a sure thing? Your last post is pretty much just an omgus accusation.
I need to go back to take a really close look at his filter. But when you say this, what are you referring to? That you thought he was lying at the time? That you still think he's lying? Or is there anything you think he's said that is a confirmed lie at this point?
both, thought it at the time and still think it now
Here's why I think the mason claim is fabricated.
Before he had revealed what the plan was, he had this to say about it:
On September 20 2012 00:54 Sharrant wrote: were my plan successful the information would still be 50/50 on proving mafia.
Plan successful according to his explanation of the plan = he baits mason claims out of scum debears and scum thrawn, and because he is a mason he will have caught us lying because his experience of masons are that if there are more than 2 then they all share the same qt. Soooo where does the 50/50 part come into this? When he first threw out the 50/50 line I was thinking something along the lines of him being a cop and worrying about framers or godfathers and such. My imagined notion of his plan didn't make much sense to me, and with that 50/50 part his given explanation of his plan doesn't seem consitent from before he explanaied the plan and after he explained the plan. Then in that same post where he talks about the 50/50 stuff he also says that now he thinks debears and I are way less scummy. That isn't consistent with his earlier reads either. How does his supposed plan being destroyed by information from a mod make him think we are less scummy? The whole purpose of the plan in the first place was to catch scum lying... so if the plan won't work that means he has to drop his scumreads on me/debears? His next read on debears and I is that we are masons, remember this is after he said he pm'd the mod. He doesn't directly come out and say this but it is implied. So a short history of his reads on us are: He think's we're both scum. He tries to bait us into claiming mason. That plan won't work because of game mechanics. Therefore debears and I are no longer scum and we're now masons?
There are no specific confirmable lies per se, but I just see a bunch of inconsistencies in how he talks about the plan from the time he first mentioned it to the time he finally explained it, and there are illogical transitions between his reads. Also, the Cubu mason claim just looks way too convienient... all throughout the last half of D1 he is asking us to trust him abhout things we have no possible way of confirming and if he's mafia then cubu is the safest townie to lie about. At the point when he dropped the cubu claim I didn't think and I don't think anyone else thought that cubu was going to ever post again.
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EBWOP: add to last paragraph <there's also the possibility that he and cubu are both mafia>
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sharrant when did you first think that I was scum and why?
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