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/in - Played some IRL mafia, decided to try out forum mafia, hope that means I'm ok with playing in the newbie mafia.
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I'm certainly not Drazerk's smurf, someone already made a comment about this in the IRL Mafia in Raleigh thread, I don't think Drazerk is an LP contributor. You can check me out on irc.freenode.net, I've had the nick for ~ 7 years. I've met tofucake and DivinO and iGrok IRL. Not sure what else I can do to prove that I'm not a smurf of drazerk other than that.
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Ahh sorry, I just think it's funny because iGrok kept calling me drazerk and nobody but tofucake and I got the joke at Raleigh. I guess maybe GMarshal got it but I don't think he was there when iGrok modded us.
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Aren't you in the other newbie mafia? Was reading it while I'm waiting for this one to end, is it too late to /obs in there?
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No lurkers, I'm all for lynching lurkers on D1. Quiet people are always scummy.
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Sorry, I guess I didn't see that in the rules anywhere.
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That's what it looked like to me, never played with roleblocker or miller/godfather type stuff but seems simple as fuck to me.
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er, as far as I know there can only be one each of each unique role, so only 2 possible wrong cop checks. In addition, likely the mods won't screw us too bad, and will probably have a decent amount of roles, not all 11.
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Sorry, I miscounted, no confusion, you're right, the cop has a 1/4 chance to get an incorrect read, this doesn't necessarily lead to scum win or LYLO or MYLO. In addition, anyone saying that mafia has a better chance to win in newbie mafias, go read the wikipedia article on mafia. Mafia statistically has a better chance of winning.
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Ok, who cares what roles are in the game, I seriously don't, just find the scum and win, ez.
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I'm all for lynching lurkers. A lurker is either being quiet to hide what they are, or not helping, either way they're not any use to anyone. so far people not lurking are SDM and Thrawn... we'll see how many more of you come out of the woodwork.
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If they're going to be busy/afk all game, they really aren't being any help, they aren't reading all the posts and giving us their reads, just taking up space. This hurts us almost as much as a mafia as the mafia can leave them alive, knowing they aren't making good reads/paying attention.
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I sleep kind of odd hours, I've been asleep, sorry for not being active. I was one of the first few posts, thus there was almost nothing of substance, the first few posts are almost always all fluffy filler. I don't have any good reads yet, just skepticism. I'll be back in a few hours to give you some better reads. To be honest, we're probably going to end up lynching a townie, and we /shouldn't feel bad/. Lynching a townie seems to almost always happen. While it's most beneficial to lynch mafia (obviously), anyone that talked about doing a no-lynch is out of their gourd, no-lynching doesn't affect the ratio at all, and doesn't even give us a chance at killing mafia. That just means that the mafia have a free night, maybe we get info from who they kill, but it's nothing conclusive.
I'll be back later today to make some better reads, not sure exactly when (N.B. I know I said in a few hours, could be closer to the end of the "day", could be later in the actual day, etc) I'm helping move my dad into his new house.
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Alright, just got home, I can take some picture tomorrow if you want, if you need proof that I'm helping my father move. I wasn't sure dates/times until night time saturday EST. Yes, I sleep strange hours, if that makes me scum, that's a pretty bad read. Going to spend some time reading all of your filters, will post more in 30-90 minutes. I kind of wanted to play some PS2 Beta, but not getting lynched is more important  .
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Ok, I'm just going to go through everyone as I read their filter, there should be 11 so I'll number them.
In no particular order, besides the order I middle clicked to open their filters.
- KillingTime
Seems logical, has a good activity level, nothing seems scummy here, while he may have been afk for some time, so was I, it isn't necessarily scummy, just means we have lives. I think he's clean for now.
- kushm4sta
Seems to have good reads, not sure why he's calling out scumteams already, two or three people agreeing is likely not a scum team on D1, likely just people without reads bandwagoning a little. Doesn't seem obviously scumlike, but some of his accusations seem a little too strong, as if he's trying to throw accusation off himself, but could just be D1 jitters/trying to get conversation started.
- WeeTee
Fairly low post count, this isn't a big issue as my post count is low as well, but his post didn't have many original ideas, and he ignored some players in his analysis. This in and of itself is not particularly scummy, just doesn't help the town as much as it would seem. For now, he's neutral to me, not scum or particularly town-y.
- thrawn2112
Seems to be very active, haven't seen him in other games, so I don't know if this is his normal activity level or if he's being nervous and posting a lot to cover it. The constant comments about KotH are kind of annoying, and support the nervousness read. Might be a blue role, or mafia, he reads slightly on the scummy side, but not my first choice to lynch on D1.
- Xatalos
Fairly logical player, willing to make reads, I like how he points out what he agrees with when he quotes posts. Seems very analytical. Willing to bet for now that he's town. Doesn't seem to be bandwagoning, which is very good for his town case, only issue is if he is just trying to mislead, for now, strong town read.
- Kville
Not active, at all. He seems very active in NMIII or whatever the normal mini mafia he's in right now is. Willing to bet he's scum or useless for town. He has my vote at the minute.
- Cubu
Seems to have fairly fluffy posts, a bad defense of himself by deflecting from himself to lurkers. Maybe i'm a little tilted because of him calling me out for being a lurker, but I must have missed the post where someone pointed out in the rules that we can't no-lynch, I'm used to games where it's a possibility, even if it's a bad idea. I felt the need to show the logic for why no lynch is bad. He's my #2 scum read at the moment, after kville.
- Kreb
Seems to be fairly analytical, likes to look at the statistics. I'm getting a town read based off his wording, but I also think that the statistics could be a shield for any scumlike behavior. We'll see how his later posts go, but for now I'm willing to bet he's town.
- Stutters695
Only has one post, and it was regarding our lurker policy. He said he would have questions for us later, but I guess not? Kind of a scummy read, but he might just be afk. He hasn't had fluff though, which puts him after Cubu on my potential scumlist. Hopefully he posts more.
- JacobStrangelove
Seems to be very active, most of his posts seem to be pro-town. I can't find anything wrong with him (especially because he defended me for sleeping weird hours ). For now he's a town read, would need to see more posts from him before I can decide something else.
- Sonic Death Monkey
So, logical player, claims to be semi-pro poker player. Seems to hav egood reads, doesn't jump to conclusions. Seems like a strong player for late game, hope he's town. Again, for now he seems like town, need more posts to get a read for the other direction.
I hope the format is ok, wanted to try something out with a fair amount of bbcode. I think the only safe vote for now is for kville, as he has contributed nothing. We don't have enough to know if someone else is contributing misinformation or whatnot. Hopefully this sort of analysis is fine, I'll try to make a post like this every day that I'm alive.
I'd also like to apologize that it took so damn long, was watching the end of TI2 and then helping some people out, check my twitter if you don't believe me. (@drazak168).
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If sleeping and being afk is lurking, sure, I was reading 30-40 posts at a time, so when I came back my first post (about policy) was becasue it was one of the first things I read. It took 2 hours to read everyones filter, I posted when I started working on it, and watched the end of the international. I wanted to have a fresh perspective instead of what I remembered from reading a lot of posts at once, so I read filters Not sure if you understand human sleeping patterns but I've been fairly active when I'm here, I feel like that is pretty bad reasoning, if I was mafia I'd simply not give reads, or give poorly thought out reads (or atleast, in my experience).
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EBWOP, If I was just trying to blend it, I would have bandwagoned on someone, for the most part people were ignoring kville, I'm the first vote on him, and the first one to directly accuse him. I find your reasoning flawed thrawn.
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Well, if you want to prevent a no-lynch, vote kville, have you looked at his filter? Have you seen his previous activity in other mafias? Something seems fishy there and if he doesn't speak up there is absolutely no reason not to lynch him.
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I only mention a no-lynch in direct reply to what kushm4sta said, reread his post. Sorry if I'm being defensive, not sure how that's a senseless claim considering what kushm4sta said. Everything I've said has made me infinitely more useful on D2 compared to someone like kville, I have a lot to analyze, and you'll have more info. lynch me now and your future lynches get harder.
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My best read is cubu. He's tried to throw suspiscion, he stopped posting when he had nobody to lay thin accusations on. Cubu has posted only with low content, low value posts, he hasn't had any real reads other than discussing statistics and how afk I was. I think Cubu isn't a great D1 lynch though, which is why he doesn't currently have my vote, if he continues to have such low content posts tomorrow, he will certainly have my vote. Cubu is someone we can try to analyze tomorrow and figure out if he really is mafia, we can't analyze kville, and if we wait to lynch kville it's not going to get better, we don't even have a baseline for him.
To that point, I'm someone you can analyze D2, you have several posts by me, with fairly decent content. Even if kville isn't mafia, he isn't helping anyone. In addition, I felt that going for cubu would just be bandwagoning at this point, which as town doesn't help me at all, espescially considering I do have my own unique thoughts, which I have shared with everyone.
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Er, I don't think I voted him as an "I want to survive" tactic, I voted kville before I was ever accused, if you look at the order of posts/timestamps.
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Only have a second to post, I am ok with keeping kville if he is being replaced, so I will vote for cubu. Sorry, on my phone.
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I don't think I'm going to try and make any reads until we see who mafia kills. I think Stutters and Kville are both good options at the moment, and I'd really still like to see kville go because he made almost no contributions.
Regarding lynching Cubu, it wasn't due to how his posts looked, I could care less. I felt the content of his posts was lacking and poorly thought out. A lot of my posts will have and have had poor formatting.
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Uhm, by "looking" I meant formatted/spelling/grammar, unless it's obviously because of nerves. The meaning and content are what are important.
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I don't think this is a particularly bad policy, don't know that it's going to help kville's attitude, but that seems to be just a bonus if it does. I think it might be a good idea to all actually vote for kville at the start of tomorrow, anything less and it's just a threat.
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If we have a medic, while he was a good town read I'm not sure if a medic would save him or another strong town read.
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Not to demean his memory, but he could have been good mafia convincing us he was town and trying to lead us into bad lynches.
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I'm saying from a medic's point of view, I wasn't sure about him myself. Obviously he WAS town, but he had a lot of town power which isn't always a good thing.
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On September 04 2012 03:01 kushm4sta wrote:
Why town should all vote for cuba
Worst case scenario:he flips green
No big deal, we lynched the worst townie (barring WeeTee whose behavior fits his meta like a glove, and kville who is being replaced). From his posts it's clear he has no intention of contributing more than he is already, which is nothing. Plus that would give thrawn some serious town points in my book, since he refuses to vote for him. Thrawn is good for town atmosphere and very active. It would be quite useful to our scumhunt if we could trust thrawn.
Best case scenario: he is mafia
If Cuba is mafia, I think there is a very high chance that thrawn is also mafia. In which case we will know 2 mafia first day and basically win the game.
People who are specifically against lynching cuba: cuba, thrawn.
People who have voted for or accused drazak: cuba, thrawn.
Twice now thrawn has attempted to redirect the lynch vote away from cuba onto somebody else.
Thrawn says he won't vote for cuba because unlike stutters, cuba has participated in the scumhunt. By scumhunt you mean his failed attempt to bandwagon drazak with you?
We need three more votes on cuba.
I'm bringing this post, and Kushm4sta into suspiscion. It seemed like you didn't actually think Cubu was mafia. Your reasoning (and lack there of) makes it clear that you weren't voting because you thought Cubu was mafia, but because you thought there was a slim chance of it and that then Thrawn would be a townie. T I think you might be mafia trying to lead town into bad lynches.
Why would you vote people who you don't think are mafia if you're town? I think you're mafia, Kush.
##Vote Kushm4sta
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Answer my questions, kushm4sta. I'm not accusing random people, I'm basing an accusation on fact. This is how you find things out in mafia. Trying to throw my suspiscions away like that is VERY mafia like. You're not making the case for yourself any better Kush.
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So, you weren't actually scum hunting, why weren't you scum hunting? Couldn't figure out who to lynch and actually make a good case for because you're mafia? Just because thrawn called you town doesn't make you town.
For the record, town doesn't need a leader, a leader can hurt a town more than help, if the leader is mafia, we're all fucked. Saying that you're the most active doesn't actually make you town. We agreed that the only deciding factor is that being too lurker-ish is scummy. Active does not equate to town.
Accusing me because I'm accusing you is a very bad idea, that's like, the #1 worse scum defense. So tell me, with logical terms, good reasons, and actual evidence, who your best two scum reads are?
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I have half a post written regarding kush's poor defense, will post it when I go to bed (and pull out my laptop).
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EBWOP it's on my other computer, which is why I'm not finishing it now, heh.
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Alright, I was afk most of the day.
First I'd like to point something out about Kush's posting behavior, he tries to downplay my accusations, and say that my case is bad, deciding that there is almost no case against him in his first responding post. Kush goes on to make /4/ posts responding to my accusation and then accusing me. In his posts, he either delays replying to me, which if my argument is weak, makes no sense, it should be simple to pick apart. In the meantime, I've been afk and have made 0. This seems like a bit over an overreaction if he's innocent and my accusation is weak.
+ Show Spoiler +- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16133744
- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16133615
- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16144834
- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16140589
You sir, have made a big slip, every time you're accused you throw it right back at your accuser, this is the weakest of the defenses, espescially when your case is weak.
I urge the rest of the town to actually look at my arguments, instead of dismissing them as a weak case, look through kush's filter, and the posts I've described and linked, he's made a large scumslip here, at first my accusations were fairly tenative due to having only moderate evidence, but instead of his defense making my case weaker, he's made it stronger.
P.S. sorry for taking so long to post, was going to hours ago and then had dinner with a friend, when I got home I had other stuff to do on my other pc, and then fell asleep for a little after I got my laptop out.
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Thanks for posting my D1 accusations of kville, he doesn't try, doesn't post, and we can't even read him. This is why I felt he was a better D1 lynch than a D2+ lynch. Cubu had posts and a defense and stuff, we could read him.
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I'm honestly a little surprised others aren't chiming in on this, you seem to be the only one kreb. I'll have some more suspiscions for you in the morning, gotta read filters/etc and I've only slept a little.
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My accusation wasn't out of nowhere, I made a read based on what happened, I reasoned, carefully. I saw that Kush wasn't scumhunting day 1. If you're not scumhunting, you're not furthering town, if you're not furthering town... you're mafia. I then saw kush slipped by overreacting to me. Feel free to poke holes in my actual reasoning instead of calling me scum for making a reasoned accusation.
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Accusations are how you gain information, you pressure people, find out what they're thinking, see how they react. I was pressured, generally you guys decided my reaction was town. I pressured kush and he scumslipped and you're not doing anything, wow.
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I'm voting for you, Kville, like I voted for you on D1. We still can't read you, but you're useless, and if you're not helping town you're either mafia or really bad town. The rest of the town have made efforts to help town, which means you are the odd man out.
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Er, no, sorry, there were some votes in THIS thread, and I voted for him in THIS thread thinking it would be counted (like other votes were(. I'm not hiding votes, it's right there in the open, I haven't dropped jack shit but there isn't time for you all to respond to my accusations on Kush, it'll have to wait for night/D3.
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No, I figured there was no need to unvote based on the fact that THE MOD DIDN'T COUNT MY VOTE. There's enough people to lynch you anyway, kville.
So Kush, why'd you scumslip? Why did you feel so threatened by me?
All 4 of those posts had to do with me, either your defense or accusations against me, and I didn't post /at all/ during those 4 posts. Come on now, you'll have to do better than that as a defense.
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Kville dude, you're latching on to anything here. If you're town, well, it sucks, but we still have enough town left to win the game if you get lynched. I'm pretty null on you other than you being absolutely freaking useless. Your accusations mean nothing and are poorly based, even Kush who I have been back and forth with thinks your accusations are bullshit.
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If what you say or think matters, why didn't you post about it earlier? At this point people are convinced that you're either mafia or useless town. I'm fairly convinced you're useless town, but I do want to keep pushing my case against kush during night and D3.
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Yeah, I think I linked the wrong post atleast once, I got distracted while I was writing that post. One of my friends that I hadn't seen in awhile and I had dinner and stuff. My bad, you did have 4 posts regarding my accusations, maybe just not the ones I linked :S
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