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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 27 2012 00:23 GMT
#6
/in
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 14:36:22
August 29 2012 14:35 GMT
#31
Third Party Planar Dragon is here!
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 23:00:58
August 30 2012 16:29 GMT
#66
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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 03:32 GMT
#108
mattchew gone already

someone abstains. what would you do?

HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 03:34 GMT
#110
Read the voting rules.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 03:39 GMT
#112
No. I would policy lynch anyone who abstained.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 13:54 GMT
#161
hey s&b, what's up with this guy? He seems to like traps too. Nervous as hell also.

On August 31 2012 12:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 12:39 HiroPro wrote:
No. I would policy lynch anyone who abstained.

Damnit Hiro, that was the secret ninja policy!
And @ Hapa - Good on you for being outrageous. Completely necessary this early in the game. As for your vote...haha?



HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 14:24 GMT
#164
hey ghost, can you explain your comment on Risen a little more?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 15:07 GMT
#172
Hey Risen, I think kenpachi rule applies to Kobe. Do you agree with me?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 15:14 GMT
#174
ya I mean blackmamba
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 16:25 GMT
#192
On September 01 2012 01:17 strongandbig wrote:
Well, I still find Hapahauli's posts about Hopeless suspicious. I agree that blackmamba's case on him was bad, but don't forget that the original reason for suspicion on him was that interaction. Anyone care to comment on that side of things? Like, am I just up a tree here or was he being kinda sketch?


I dont think it's all that suspicious. His later clarification explains it fine for me and its not something he's lingered overly on.


On August 31 2012 12:48 Hapahauli wrote:
Tbh Hopeless, I really don't understand that line from you (that i referenced in my vote post). It's like you're suggesting that you'll need to be reminded and that you won't be attentive to your own lurking. Care to clarify?

HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 18:15 GMT
#223
Ok, I think we should lynch mementoss. I'm heading out for lunch and I'll be back in half an hour.

On September 01 2012 01:21 Mementoss wrote:
I'm not too fond of the way ghost has been defending mamba at every chance he gets. It's fine to defend a player if you don't think they're town but leave it at that. Cause when he comes back to the thread he can just mirror the things that ghost said to defend him, or otherwise there is at least a lot less pressure on him to give an adquete response about his case and such. That being said, most of ghosts talk so far has been on this, so I would like to ask him if he had to make a vote now, who would it be and why?

My opinion on this BMB fiasco is that he seems a bit scummy to me. His posts just rub me the wrong way and his case was bad. I'm not going to go much farther into this as it's already been fleshed out by many but I'll be interested in seeing a response from him. The way he talks about his personal scum preferences is odd, and the question to the hosts could just be a scam to make himself look town, when he actually knew the answer because he received this fake role. I think the case was bad and forced from a scum perspective because if you look through his early filter he realized he was talking a lot, but it was purely filler, and was scared of getting called out on it soon, so he decided to make a case up so no one would call him out for "contributing without actually saying much".

I agree that Risen's play is not his normal town play, of guns blazing and doing crazy shit to get reactions out.

If we are going to set the tone here that lurking is unacceptable as town we might as well start day one, and try to set ourselves up for a winning situation later in the game. Also based on his less than stellar game history... So for now..

##Vote: Mr.Zentor

Also I think that people should be giving their gut thoughts and put in a vote at the start of each day, so we can discuss our way through the best person for the lynch throughout the day. People don't seem to realize how short a 24 hour cycle is, so getting a vote in ASAP is important for discussion and consolidation on voting out a scum. Obviously this is impossible to do on day 1, but I think it should be done for further days.



At first glance, this seems like a solid contribution. Mementoss talks about most of the major things that have happened in this thread. However, look at what Mementoss is actually saying: he spends an inordinate amount of time talking about what ghost should and should not do only to ask ghost a rather basic question and then proceeds to talk about how certain hypothetical thought processes make him think BlackMamba is scum even though he said he wasn't going to talk much about Mamba and wanted to hear more from him... The rest of his post just summarizes general feelings that are going on in the thread.

On September 01 2012 02:07 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 01:47 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:38 Mementoss wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:31 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Momentoss
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625&currentpage=10#189

If I'm following you correctly...
1) You don't like Ghost's defense of BMB
2) You think BMB is slighly scummy
3) You think Risen is not behaving like his normal town persona

Then... you vote Mr.Zentor for lurking? What?


Yeah that's correct. I didn't say I found ghost to be scummy because of it, I just feel you can get a more "real" reaction out of someone under more pressure defending themselves without help from another player, especially in a situation so far away from lynch.

BMB I'm awaiting a response from.

Risen hasn't posted enough to make a definite opinion on him.

Didn't you say you wanted to enforce policy lynches on people that were lurking the town? Or did you just say that because you thought that would be a typical town opener to the game?


The problem I'm having is that you're waiting for opinions and waiting for posts when you have legitimate reasons to pressure posters. What does voting MrZentor even do, when you find other people suspicious? You came in, passively fingerpointed a bunch of players, and aren't pressuring them for information.


I don't know what else to say to you. I don't think ghost is scum, though I didn't like the way he defended bmb. BMB has been getting constantly talked about and called scum by every second person. I want to give him a chance to respond to the thread. Voting Mr.Zentor is going to make him post something I think is worthy of him showing that he is going to make an attempt at being useful this game. You've officially went from soft defending Zentor to hard defending him, in an aggressive way against me. Guess you voting him at the start of the game was two scum buddy buddying around in the thread?

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On September 01 2012 01:40 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 01:21 Mementoss wrote:
I'm not too fond of the way ghost has been defending mamba at every chance he gets. It's fine to defend a player if you don't think they're town but leave it at that. Cause when he comes back to the thread he can just mirror the things that ghost said to defend him, or otherwise there is at least a lot less pressure on him to give an adquete response about his case and such. That being said, most of ghosts talk so far has been on this, so I would like to ask him if he had to make a vote now, who would it be and why?

My opinion on this BMB fiasco is that he seems a bit scummy to me. His posts just rub me the wrong way and his case was bad. I'm not going to go much farther into this as it's already been fleshed out by many but I'll be interested in seeing a response from him. The way he talks about his personal scum preferences is odd, and the question to the hosts could just be a scam to make himself look town, when he actually knew the answer because he received this fake role. I think the case was bad and forced from a scum perspective because if you look through his early filter he realized he was talking a lot, but it was purely filler, and was scared of getting called out on it soon, so he decided to make a case up so no one would call him out for "contributing without actually saying much".

I agree that Risen's play is not his normal town play, of guns blazing and doing crazy shit to get reactions out.

If we are going to set the tone here that lurking is unacceptable as town we might as well start day one, and try to set ourselves up for a winning situation later in the game. Also based on his less than stellar game history... So for now..

##Vote: Mr.Zentor

Also I think that people should be giving their gut thoughts and put in a vote at the start of each day, so we can discuss our way through the best person for the lynch throughout the day. People don't seem to realize how short a 24 hour cycle is, so getting a vote in ASAP is important for discussion and consolidation on voting out a scum. Obviously this is impossible to do on day 1, but I think it should be done for further days.



This post makes absolutely no sense. Momen can you further explain?


Who dafuq is momen.



In the middle of this post, Mementoss says that he voted for Mr. Zentor in order to get him to post something useful, indicating that he has no clear view of Mr. Zentor's alignment. However, right after that Mementoss accuses Hapahauli of soft/hard defending Mr. Zentor and being his scumbuddy. Not only does this not make any sense, as the only posts that Hapahuli has made about Zentor are asking Mementoss why he voted for him, but Mementoss displays a clear disconnect in the way that he perceives Zentor (on one hand being someone he needs to see more from, on the other hand as a scumbuddy).

Mementoss is attempting to seem useful when his posts actually say very little. His reaction to Hapahauli's questions are to throw doubt and accusations in a nonsensical manner. He's scum.

##Vote Mementoss
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 19:41 GMT
#239
I don't think s&b is scum. I've played with him a lot and I've also hydraed with him so I have a sense of the way he plays as town. His logic has so far been meh, but the stuff he's posting seems genuine. I don't think he would try to fakeclaim miller in the beginning as scum - he's not the type to bring a lot of attention onto himself like that as scum. I'd love to hear more from him on people other than hapa/mamba, though.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 20:54 GMT
#271

but Mementoss displays a clear disconnect in the way that he perceives Zentor (on one hand being someone he needs to see more from, on the other hand as a scumbuddy of Hapa)


you didn't address this. Nor did you explain why you said hapa was soft/hard defending Zentor.

You're scummy mostly because of the way you reacted to some simple questions (spreading nonsense about soft defenses and trying to use that to call someone scummy).


Ill read the stuff on Shady when I get to my computer.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 21:53 GMT
#291
On September 01 2012 06:50 Hapahauli wrote:
@ HiroPro - given Mementoss's recent posts, you still think he's scummy?


He didn't respond to this. I want to see what he has to say. I haven't yet read anything on Shady.

On September 01 2012 05:54 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +

but Mementoss displays a clear disconnect in the way that he perceives Zentor (on one hand being someone he needs to see more from, on the other hand as a scumbuddy of Hapa)


you didn't address this. Nor did you explain why you said hapa was soft/hard defending Zentor.

You're scummy mostly because of the way you reacted to some simple questions (spreading nonsense about soft defenses and trying to use that to call someone scummy).


Ill read the stuff on Shady when I get to my computer.

HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 22:04 GMT
#294
On September 01 2012 06:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Howbout this stuff?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625&currentpage=13#258

Solid post, good logic, and I agree with most of what he says (still believe BM24 to be more scummy than Shady). Shouldn't that absolve him a bit?


It's ok. The problem I have is that he ignored the brunt of the case (which is how he says he's unclear about Zentor but then later in the same post says that Hapa is soft-defending Zentor and they're scum buddies together) and focused on small things to reply to instead.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 22:07 GMT
#295
On September 01 2012 07:04 Mementoss wrote:
"In the middle of this post, Mementoss says that he voted for Mr. Zentor in order to get him to post something useful, indicating that he has no clear view of Mr. Zentor's alignment. However, right after that Mementoss accuses Hapahauli of soft/hard defending Mr. Zentor and being his scumbuddy. Not only does this not make any sense, as the only posts that Hapahuli has made about Zentor are asking Mementoss why he voted for him, but Mementoss displays a clear disconnect in the way that he perceives Zentor (on one hand being someone he needs to see more from, on the other hand as a scumbuddy)."

To answer HiroPro. I occasionally say aggressive statements like this for people I'm null for to get some sort of reaction out of them and can make another opinion on them based on how they react. Sometimes it's been the case that people on the same scum team avoid communication in the thread or joke around with each other in the thread to lessen the distance between them. "Then... you vote Mr.Zentor for lurking? What?" This is what I considered to be a soft defense, trying to take the heat off him from that moment. "What does voting MrZentor even do, when you find other people suspicious?" Then implying that I am voting him for no reason and downplaying it, is what I considered a harder defense. As obviously I had a reason for doing it, and explaining it basically takes away all effectiveness of the action.

I hope that clears it up to you hiro.


Hm, ok. I'm fine with this. I'll read the stuff on Shady in a little bit and decide what to do.

##Unvote
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 22:59 GMT
#316
hey shady, I'd like if you could make a response to MT's case.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 23:15 GMT
#336
On September 01 2012 08:14 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 08:03 Palmar wrote:
##vote mementoss


##vote palmar

Like, the number of times people have told me that "being lazy" is palmar's scum meta...

I can't really accept missing the whole first day and then jumping back in with the most random freaking unreasoned explicit sheep vote I've ever seen.

I'm not really concerned at the moment with "viable candidates". I don't think any of the main cases are stronger than my gut reaction to what palmar just did.

If this is "a trap" palmar, then consider yourself successful, you caught me. By playing as scummy as possible, you trapped me and convinced me that you are scum. Huzzah.

Now, I'm going to bed. See you guys tomorrow if I live.


town Palmar.....

LIV
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 23:16 GMT
#338
Like he does this regardless of alignment, s&b.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 23:20 GMT
#346
On September 01 2012 08:18 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 08:15 HiroPro wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:14 strongandbig wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:03 Palmar wrote:
##vote mementoss


##vote palmar

Like, the number of times people have told me that "being lazy" is palmar's scum meta...

I can't really accept missing the whole first day and then jumping back in with the most random freaking unreasoned explicit sheep vote I've ever seen.

I'm not really concerned at the moment with "viable candidates". I don't think any of the main cases are stronger than my gut reaction to what palmar just did.

If this is "a trap" palmar, then consider yourself successful, you caught me. By playing as scummy as possible, you trapped me and convinced me that you are scum. Huzzah.

Now, I'm going to bed. See you guys tomorrow if I live.


town Palmar.....

LIV


Hiro read what I just posted. Scum Palmar would want you to think just that. Then again, maybe it's town Palmar being town Palmar. Who knows?

He's doing it because he can, because in the past he's been able to get away with bad play like this. People like you enable him to have free reign in games, regardless of alignment.


I am not lynching the best scumhunter in this game because he likes to troll d1. We lynch him later if he doesn't find scum, not because we don't like the way he plays.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 23:39 GMT
#372
On September 01 2012 08:27 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 08:20 HiroPro wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:18 Risen wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:15 HiroPro wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:14 strongandbig wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:03 Palmar wrote:
##vote mementoss


##vote palmar

Like, the number of times people have told me that "being lazy" is palmar's scum meta...

I can't really accept missing the whole first day and then jumping back in with the most random freaking unreasoned explicit sheep vote I've ever seen.

I'm not really concerned at the moment with "viable candidates". I don't think any of the main cases are stronger than my gut reaction to what palmar just did.

If this is "a trap" palmar, then consider yourself successful, you caught me. By playing as scummy as possible, you trapped me and convinced me that you are scum. Huzzah.

Now, I'm going to bed. See you guys tomorrow if I live.


town Palmar.....

LIV


Hiro read what I just posted. Scum Palmar would want you to think just that. Then again, maybe it's town Palmar being town Palmar. Who knows?

He's doing it because he can, because in the past he's been able to get away with bad play like this. People like you enable him to have free reign in games, regardless of alignment.


I am not lynching the best scumhunter in this game because he likes to troll d1. We lynch him later if he doesn't find scum, not because we don't like the way he plays.


Hiro, now that I've done what you asked me to and responded to MT, what is your read on Ghost?


Nothing strong. The only thing that makes me think he's scum is that he's never once expressed why he's voting for Mementoss, only that he wants to lynch him. The other stuff you talked about doesn't strike me as alignment-indicative.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 23:40 GMT
#376
ghost, what do you think of his second response?

On September 01 2012 07:04 Mementoss wrote:
"In the middle of this post, Mementoss says that he voted for Mr. Zentor in order to get him to post something useful, indicating that he has no clear view of Mr. Zentor's alignment. However, right after that Mementoss accuses Hapahauli of soft/hard defending Mr. Zentor and being his scumbuddy. Not only does this not make any sense, as the only posts that Hapahuli has made about Zentor are asking Mementoss why he voted for him, but Mementoss displays a clear disconnect in the way that he perceives Zentor (on one hand being someone he needs to see more from, on the other hand as a scumbuddy)."

To answer HiroPro. I occasionally say aggressive statements like this for people I'm null for to get some sort of reaction out of them and can make another opinion on them based on how they react. Sometimes it's been the case that people on the same scum team avoid communication in the thread or joke around with each other in the thread to lessen the distance between them. "Then... you vote Mr.Zentor for lurking? What?" This is what I considered to be a soft defense, trying to take the heat off him from that moment. "What does voting MrZentor even do, when you find other people suspicious?" Then implying that I am voting him for no reason and downplaying it, is what I considered a harder defense. As obviously I had a reason for doing it, and explaining it basically takes away all effectiveness of the action.

I hope that clears it up to you hiro.

HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 23:53 GMT
#386
On September 01 2012 08:52 ghost_403 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 08:40 HiroPro wrote:
ghost, what do you think of his second response?

On September 01 2012 07:04 Mementoss wrote:
In the middle of this post, Mementoss says that he voted for Mr. Zentor in order to get him to post something useful, indicating that he has no clear view of Mr. Zentor's alignment. However, right after that Mementoss accuses Hapahauli of soft/hard defending Mr. Zentor and being his scumbuddy. Not only does this not make any sense, as the only posts that Hapahuli has made about Zentor are asking Mementoss why he voted for him, but Mementoss displays a clear disconnect in the way that he perceives Zentor (on one hand being someone he needs to see more from, on the other hand as a scumbuddy).


To answer HiroPro. I occasionally say aggressive statements like this for people I'm null for to get some sort of reaction out of them and can make another opinion on them based on how they react. Sometimes it's been the case that people on the same scum team avoid communication in the thread or joke around with each other in the thread to lessen the distance between them.

Then... you vote Mr.Zentor for lurking? What?

This is what I considered to be a soft defense, trying to take the heat off him from that moment.

What does voting MrZentor even do, when you find other people suspicious?

Then implying that I am voting him for no reason and downplaying it, is what I considered a harder defense. As obviously I had a reason for doing it, and explaining it basically takes away all effectiveness of the action.

I hope that clears it up to you hiro.



Reading it the way I think it's meant to be read, I think it's gibberish. Is that really what MMToss was trying to get across?



Those two secondary quotes are what hapahauli said (what MT considered the soft defenses).

Then... you vote Mr.Zentor for lurking? What?



What does voting MrZentor even do, when you find other people suspicious?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 01 2012 00:37 GMT
#430
On September 01 2012 09:25 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 09:24 BlackMamba24 wrote:
On September 01 2012 09:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 01 2012 09:16 BlackMamba24 wrote:
On September 01 2012 09:13 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm going to keep my vote on Palmar for a bit. As it stands, there are a couple of people I want to hear more from before I decide what to do with my vote - namely those that haven't voted yet. I'll give em an hour.

Relooking at some filters, I'm growing a bit wary of HiroPro, and his actions seem to follow a scum thought-process.

  • He enters the thread and builds a "case" on MMtoss. This "case" is a re-hash of most of what I pointed out earlier in the post.
  • What seems scummy to me is how quickly he dropped his case. You'd think that a townie would have a bit more confirmation bias? But he drops it the second MMtoss posts his defense to HiroPro for his MrZentor/Hapa scumteam. That seems like a really weak reason to drop your main scumread.
  • He spends the next few hours making one-liners and trying to contribute, when really not. Take a look at his filter.


Thoughts?


That's a bit misleading. He was not convinced at all by MMtoss' first defense and only unvoted after MMtoss cleared it up further. If he was looking for a reason to drop his case, he would have done it sooner than that. MMtoss later addresses HiroPro's main suspicion and the answer satisfied him.


That's the interesting part - he tunnels MMtoss until I explicitly point out his "first defense" (the longer post I take it?) to HiroPro. Then HiroPro posts that he's waiting for MMtoss to respond to him. Then he immediately drops his read after MMtoss responds.


That's not suspicious. He was saying MMtoss' defense wasn't adequate because he didn't address the point. Then when MMtoss addressed the point, he was satisfied. What's scummy about that? We can't have another bandwagon switch right now, the vote is close and there's not a lot of time left in the day.


Because it was too easy. After tunneling MMtoss the entire game, HP was satisfied with just that post? Seriously? I call BS.


Hi, I changed my mind. That doesn't make me scum. That just means I actually rethink my cases and consider what other people write when they make responses. Mementoss addressed my point because he provided a valid example of what he considered to be soft defenses (""Then... you vote Mr.Zentor for lurking? What? and "What does voting MrZentor even do, when you find other people suspicious?") and he provided a valid reasoning for why he would call Hapa+Zentor scumbuddies like that ("I occasionally say aggressive statements like this for people I'm null for to get some sort of reaction out of them and can make another opinion on them based on how they react.").
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 01 2012 00:47 GMT
#435
On September 01 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
@BM24 - still disagree? I mean think about it, a bunch of people still think MMToss is scummy despite his other posts... and HiroPro changed his mind so easily? Really?


Because they thought Mementoss was scum for reasons other than mine... Mementoss addressed my major concern with his play fine.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 01 2012 00:55 GMT
#442
Are you willfully not reading what I post?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 01 2012 01:15 GMT
#452
ARE YOU FUCKING READING ANYTHING I POST

On September 01 2012 09:37 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 09:25 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 01 2012 09:24 BlackMamba24 wrote:
On September 01 2012 09:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 01 2012 09:16 BlackMamba24 wrote:
On September 01 2012 09:13 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm going to keep my vote on Palmar for a bit. As it stands, there are a couple of people I want to hear more from before I decide what to do with my vote - namely those that haven't voted yet. I'll give em an hour.

Relooking at some filters, I'm growing a bit wary of HiroPro, and his actions seem to follow a scum thought-process.

  • He enters the thread and builds a "case" on MMtoss. This "case" is a re-hash of most of what I pointed out earlier in the post.
  • What seems scummy to me is how quickly he dropped his case. You'd think that a townie would have a bit more confirmation bias? But he drops it the second MMtoss posts his defense to HiroPro for his MrZentor/Hapa scumteam. That seems like a really weak reason to drop your main scumread.
  • He spends the next few hours making one-liners and trying to contribute, when really not. Take a look at his filter.


Thoughts?


That's a bit misleading. He was not convinced at all by MMtoss' first defense and only unvoted after MMtoss cleared it up further. If he was looking for a reason to drop his case, he would have done it sooner than that. MMtoss later addresses HiroPro's main suspicion and the answer satisfied him.


That's the interesting part - he tunnels MMtoss until I explicitly point out his "first defense" (the longer post I take it?) to HiroPro. Then HiroPro posts that he's waiting for MMtoss to respond to him. Then he immediately drops his read after MMtoss responds.


That's not suspicious. He was saying MMtoss' defense wasn't adequate because he didn't address the point. Then when MMtoss addressed the point, he was satisfied. What's scummy about that? We can't have another bandwagon switch right now, the vote is close and there's not a lot of time left in the day.


Because it was too easy. After tunneling MMtoss the entire game, HP was satisfied with just that post? Seriously? I call BS.


Hi, I changed my mind. That doesn't make me scum. That just means I actually rethink my cases and consider what other people write when they make responses. Mementoss addressed my point because he provided a valid example of what he considered to be soft defenses (""Then... you vote Mr.Zentor for lurking? What? and "What does voting MrZentor even do, when you find other people suspicious?") and he provided a valid reasoning for why he would call Hapa+Zentor scumbuddies like that ("I occasionally say aggressive statements like this for people I'm null for to get some sort of reaction out of them and can make another opinion on them based on how they react.").


On September 01 2012 09:47 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
@BM24 - still disagree? I mean think about it, a bunch of people still think MMToss is scummy despite his other posts... and HiroPro changed his mind so easily? Really?


Because they thought Mementoss was scum for reasons other than mine... Mementoss addressed my major concern with his play fine.

HiroPro
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September 01 2012 01:16 GMT
#455
On September 01 2012 10:02 Hopeless1der wrote:
Okay well BMB has already gone through why Hapa's case doesn't demonstrate Hiro to be scummy.
Hapa still has a point regarding who does Hiro think is scum.
Hiro? If your around, we'd be much obliged.


No, I don't have any strong scum reads at this point. Risen looks weird to me because he made a case on Shady and then proceeded to go lynch Palmar because he's a troll. But it's not something I'd vote him for.
HiroPro
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September 01 2012 02:02 GMT
#500
I don't want to lynch Palmar. The fact that he's in the lead despite there being no case against him should in itself suggest that he's town. And if Palmar is town, he's definitely someone to have around.
HiroPro
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September 01 2012 02:12 GMT
#516
I'm voting for Mementoss. I have a null read on him, but I have no desire to lynch Palmar. Blackmamba has been picked as L's right so he is almost certainly town and I trust his judgement.

##Vote Mementoss
HiroPro
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September 01 2012 02:16 GMT
#520
On September 01 2012 11:14 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 11:12 HiroPro wrote:
I'm voting for Mementoss. I have a null read on him, but I have no desire to lynch Palmar. Blackmamba has been picked as L's right so he is almost certainly town and I trust his judgement.

##Vote Mementoss


Is there a reason you trust his claim 100%? I don't see why a scum would lie about that, but I don't know why a townie would openly claim that, either, unless L told him to.


It's mentioned that L has a messenger in the day post. Scum wouldn't fake claim that, it's 1 for 1 trade.
HiroPro
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September 01 2012 02:26 GMT
#530
On September 01 2012 11:23 Solarsail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 11:21 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 01 2012 11:13 Solarsail wrote:
##Vote: Risen because Palmar


Wait what? What does this even do?


Leaves a statement of my intent on the voting record. Since all your choices for lynches are completely terrible.


Vote for Mementoss please. There is no case on Palmar. He is an excellent town player and we can use him. Your scumread is voting for Palmar. That alone should be enough for you to vote for the other lynch, even if you have no personal preference.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
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September 01 2012 02:39 GMT
#549
What does this role "Suspicious Detective" mean? Miller?
HiroPro
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September 01 2012 02:46 GMT
#553
Is a Suspicious Detective a miller?
HiroPro
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September 01 2012 14:44 GMT
#577
Suspicious Detectives are millers. I tried to get the mods to say this in the thread, but apparently they won't since it's only part of my role PM.

So s&b is almost certainly lying. It's really unlikely that the setup has certain millers who are unaware (look at Palmar's role PM) and certain millers who are self-aware. And the fact that he put his vote on Palmar and then left without listening to any of the people who told him that was dumb doesn't speak well of him.

##Vote strongandbig
HiroPro
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September 01 2012 15:01 GMT
#582
PRE-EDIT: I should be a little bit more specific. I don't know whether checks on me will return scum or town - all I'm told is that some checks on me will return scum instead of town. I speculate that there are different types of DT check in this game and I am only a miller to some of them - maybe L has special DT powers, and one of their advantages is that they are immune to some or all millers? I also don't know whether it's likely to have more than one or two millers in such a small setup, but having a lot of DT power roles could mean we have more millers than normal. If there are other self-aware millers, they should claim asap as well, or else never claim at all.


Yea I don't believe you.
HiroPro
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September 01 2012 15:09 GMT
#584
This means that 'suspicious detective' isn't just a name for a "miller" role. It's a result of checks people can get.


This part is true though.
HiroPro
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September 01 2012 15:13 GMT
#586
On September 02 2012 00:11 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 00:09 HiroPro wrote:
This means that 'suspicious detective' isn't just a name for a "miller" role. It's a result of checks people can get.


This part is true though.


so mafia show up as suspicious detective maybe?


They can (There's almost certainly godfathers in this setup). But Palmar was definitely a miller.
HiroPro
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September 01 2012 15:18 GMT
#590
On September 02 2012 00:14 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 00:01 HiroPro wrote:
PRE-EDIT: I should be a little bit more specific. I don't know whether checks on me will return scum or town - all I'm told is that some checks on me will return scum instead of town. I speculate that there are different types of DT check in this game and I am only a miller to some of them - maybe L has special DT powers, and one of their advantages is that they are immune to some or all millers? I also don't know whether it's likely to have more than one or two millers in such a small setup, but having a lot of DT power roles could mean we have more millers than normal. If there are other self-aware millers, they should claim asap as well, or else never claim at all.


Yea I don't believe you.


Im a bit lost, about this suspicious detective thing. Why don't you believe him can you give some clarification?


Because for one, it's really unlikely to have certain millers be unaware, certain self-aware.

Second, look at what s&b wrote. When he first claimed self-aware miller, he said that he didn't know what circumstances would cause him to return as suspicious or normal (he talked about how certain people's checks may be reliable, certain may not).

However, now he's claiming that his role PM told him that he'll return suspicious when there are less than half the players remaining in this game.
HiroPro
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United States2624 Posts
September 01 2012 15:29 GMT
#599
At first you claimed this: "I don't know whether checks on me will return scum or town - all I'm told is that some checks on me will return scum instead of town. I speculate that there are different types of DT check in this game and I am only a miller to some of them - maybe L has special DT powers, and one of their advantages is that they are immune to some or all millers? I also don't know whether it's likely to have more than one or two millers in such a small setup, but having a lot of DT power roles could mean we have more millers than normal. If there are other self-aware millers, they should claim asap as well, or else never claim at all."

Now you say this: "my role PM says that rolechecks on me before half the players in the game are dead will return detective and after that point they will return suspicious detective."


You're lying.
HiroPro
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September 01 2012 15:30 GMT
#603
I'm not a miller lol. I'm a cop.
HiroPro
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September 01 2012 15:34 GMT
#608
On September 02 2012 00:33 Node wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 00:30 HiroPro wrote:
I'm not a miller lol. I'm a cop.


So you're saying it is possible for a check to return Suspicious Detective?


Yes. My checks return either Detective or Suspicious Detective.
HiroPro
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September 01 2012 15:44 GMT
#611
On September 02 2012 00:34 Risen wrote:
If you had claimed everything you're now saying at the start maybe it would be believable. Saying it AFTER being called out and AFTER seeing what Palmar flipped seems disingenuous.


This so much.

I also think it really unlikely that s&b would have started speculating about how certain people's checks may return guilty, certain people's checks innocent if his role was real. If he really was just about keeping it simple he would have just said "sometimes I'm a miller, sometimes i'm not".
HiroPro
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September 01 2012 15:45 GMT
#612

I speculate that there are different types of DT check in this game and I am only a miller to some of them - maybe L has special DT powers, and one of their advantages is that they are immune to some or all millers?
HiroPro
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September 01 2012 20:41 GMT
#639
On September 02 2012 02:01 strongandbig wrote:
How about this - we kill ghost today because he's scum. Hiro or some other DT checks me tonight. I come back town and we realize I'm telling the truth?


No

1. You're lying scum
2. I wasn't given a check today to waste on you.
3. I'm probably getting shot tomorrow.
HiroPro
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September 01 2012 23:32 GMT
#662
On September 02 2012 08:10 Shady Sands wrote:
After reading through the thread, here are my thoughts.

On SnB: I would suggest the cop check him. Hunting someone off a single claim like that as opposed to actual scummy behavior is a null tell, in my opinion, especially given that this game has rules so different from a normal mafia game. Heck, I'm not even sure about how the whole "suspicious detective" and "right arm detective" mechanic is supposed to work. It could be entirely possible that SnB got a different miller subtype than what Palmar got, or that Palmar was a traitor and not a miller, or he was a townie that was set up by a Mafia Framer with delayed flip.


On September 02 2012 05:41 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 02:01 strongandbig wrote:
How about this - we kill ghost today because he's scum. Hiro or some other DT checks me tonight. I come back town and we realize I'm telling the truth?


No

1. You're lying scum
2. I wasn't given a check today to waste on you.
3. I'm probably getting shot tomorrow.



Hi, please read the thread before you say stuff like this. There are no framers - and that part (Mafia Framer with delayed flip) makes no sense at all. Palmar was definitely not a traitor - his role PM was the VT PM (he's a miller). Suspicious detective is the equivalent of a guilty. I don't have a check to use today and I am probably not going to live long enough to give out a check which I would have to make tomorrow. It is not just the role itself- the big thing is the fact that he lied about what his role claim was in the opening post that was dedicated solely to explaining his role....

HiroPro
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September 01 2012 23:35 GMT
#664
No, he was a miller.....
HiroPro
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September 02 2012 01:39 GMT
#681
uh I saw the flip lol
HiroPro
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September 02 2012 01:40 GMT
#682
... you should probably just put it back
HiroPro
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September 02 2012 01:41 GMT
#687
bio, the best thing to do is just put it back. you can't have the day continue with having some people knowing s&b's alignment and some people not knowing it.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 02 2012 01:53 GMT
#703
I'd like some medic protection btw. Judging from how s&b was able to kill, the sooner the better.
HiroPro
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September 02 2012 01:54 GMT
#706
On September 02 2012 10:53 MrZentor wrote:
Na, I don't think scum knew he was the traitor.


No I don't think so either. But they would have thought he was town and that's where it gets interesting.
HiroPro
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September 02 2012 02:09 GMT
#710
On September 02 2012 11:05 Node wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 10:54 HiroPro wrote:
On September 02 2012 10:53 MrZentor wrote:
Na, I don't think scum knew he was the traitor.


No I don't think so either. But they would have thought he was town and that's where it gets interesting.


I disagree strongly. I think s&b's claim was made at least partially to alert scum that he was a traitor. Put yourself in Kira's position -- you're probably aware that you have at least one supporter hidden among the detectives. Who looks most likely? I'd have to imagine it's the person who claims they're going to start appearing red at some point to checks.


Hm that makes sense.
HiroPro
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September 02 2012 18:38 GMT
#761
I want to lynch Zentor.

It's pretty simple: on day 1, Mr. Zentor actually tried to argue that Palmar was scum. He wasn't Risen, who simply disliked Palmar. His reasons were complete nonsense - Palmar is scum because he claimed VT and is trolling.

On September 01 2012 05:56 MrZentor wrote:

Let's assume that you, the reader, are a vanilla town. (If you're mafia say "I am not mafia in your next post.")

Good. You just got your pm from Zephirdd.

It's says that you're a detective, in green, so it's obvious that you're just a vanilla town.

Why would you ever post in that in the thread? One of the many uses of the vanilla town is to act like a meat shield for the blues. You want scum to think you're blue.
You want them to kill you instead of killing a blue.

Now you're scum.

Zephirdd has given you the information that the vanilla townsperson is a "detective".

Now all you have to do is to allude to being a detective in the thread of free town cred. (yayyyy!!)



So why did Palmar say what he said?

And why is he acting so ignorant?


On day 2, Zentor initially votes for s&b after several votes have been cast (myself, marv, Node). However, later when it looks like ghost might be a possibility (after Shady voted for ghost), Zentor switches votes onto ghost with reasoning that basically says "s&b's play too illogical to be scum". But what's missing? Any reason for lynching ghost.

Let's lynch obvious scum. Let's kill Zentor.

##Vote MrZentor
HiroPro
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September 02 2012 18:43 GMT
#767
On September 03 2012 03:42 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 03:38 HiroPro wrote:
I want to lynch Zentor.

It's pretty simple: on day 1, Mr. Zentor actually tried to argue that Palmar was scum. He wasn't Risen, who simply disliked Palmar. His reasons were complete nonsense - Palmar is scum because he claimed VT and is trolling.

On September 01 2012 05:56 MrZentor wrote:

Let's assume that you, the reader, are a vanilla town. (If you're mafia say "I am not mafia in your next post.")

Good. You just got your pm from Zephirdd.

It's says that you're a detective, in green, so it's obvious that you're just a vanilla town.

Why would you ever post in that in the thread? One of the many uses of the vanilla town is to act like a meat shield for the blues. You want scum to think you're blue.
You want them to kill you instead of killing a blue.

Now you're scum.

Zephirdd has given you the information that the vanilla townsperson is a "detective".

Now all you have to do is to allude to being a detective in the thread of free town cred. (yayyyy!!)



So why did Palmar say what he said?

And why is he acting so ignorant?


On day 2, Zentor initially votes for s&b after several votes have been cast (myself, marv, Node). However, later when it looks like ghost might be a possibility (after Shady voted for ghost), Zentor switches votes onto ghost with reasoning that basically says "s&b's play too illogical to be scum". But what's missing? Any reason for lynching ghost.

Let's lynch obvious scum. Let's kill Zentor.

##Vote MrZentor


Hiro - to the bit I bolded: ironic, isn't it?

I don't get it.
HiroPro
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September 02 2012 19:28 GMT
#791
On September 03 2012 04:27 ghost_403 wrote:
Hey Zentor, why am I scum again? Looking through your filter, I can't find a good reason, other than I voted to lynch my scumbuddy good friend guy I met at a coffee shop once known as StrongAndBig.


lmfao
HiroPro
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United States2624 Posts
September 02 2012 20:14 GMT
#803
On September 03 2012 05:00 marvellosity wrote:
Hiro/hopeless/fuba, what do you make of ghost?


I don't think he's scum. His responses to the stuff against him seem fine to me. We've had similar reads and reasoning on some players (Shady, fuba,) even though I've never mentioned any of it in thread. His reasoning seems ok.
HiroPro
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September 02 2012 22:18 GMT
#814
Yes, Zentor just being outright bad is the one thing that worries me -_-

But the thing is he still hasn't actually given any damn reasons for ghost or Risen being scum. Beyond this....

My theory that totally makes sense.

Ghost-Scum
Risen-Scum that knows SnB is traitor, so he kills SnB the traitor, instead of Ghost his scum buddy. (SnB didn't know who the kira was, but Risen knew SnB was the traitor)

So that's two confirmed scum.


Like at this point I get the feeling that Zentor is just going "Hey if I play like complete scum, maybe they'll leave me alone".
HiroPro
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September 03 2012 02:32 GMT
#825
Zentor.....

I have a red check on Risen. We lynch him

##Vote Risen
HiroPro
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September 03 2012 19:43 GMT
#836
you're supposed to claim miller, not L lol.
HiroPro
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September 03 2012 19:46 GMT
#837
Also I don't think you noticed marv's post, lol?
HiroPro
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September 03 2012 20:43 GMT
#847
sigh fuba you haven't realized by now?

I'm L. I'm a cop and I also got a lot of other cool powers. It should be fairly obvious now why all of the messages tell you to listen to me.
HiroPro
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September 03 2012 20:46 GMT
#850
don't think I will
HiroPro
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September 03 2012 20:47 GMT
#851
btw there is no "L's servant" lol
HiroPro
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September 03 2012 20:50 GMT
#855
cute

On September 01 2012 12:46 BlackMamba24 wrote:
I have been instructed by L to tell the thread that L's servant has disposed of Hapahauli.

HiroPro
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September 04 2012 02:41 GMT
#875
T_T they shot me
HiroPro
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September 04 2012 02:47 GMT
#878
hm, who do I want to kill
HiroPro
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September 04 2012 03:04 GMT
#881
btw I don't have any special way of knowing whether my hand is town or not. I have a green check on marv, but it doesn't mean much - Kira is probably a godfather considering this setup (lack of RB/framer and the source material).

So you guys should consider him too when you're thinking.
HiroPro
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September 04 2012 03:20 GMT
#883
forget the connection business. what about ghost makes you think he's scum other than that?
HiroPro
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September 04 2012 04:13 GMT
#885
Going out now and I'll probably be dead when I wake up tomorrow so last post I guess. I'm not familiar with the play of hopeless, fuba, or Node at all and I don't think I've ever seen ghost play mafia so just keep that in mind.

I think fuba is almost definitely town.

I'd say that hopeless1der is the last scum due to the way that his reads (on Shady/Zentor/ghost) have formed - it doesn't seem natural to me at all.

I'm less sure about this than either my read on s&b or Risen though, and I don't really have the time to fully go through the thread/filters. I already gave you guys the two checks I have.
HiroPro
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September 04 2012 05:22 GMT
#887
posting from my phone. leaning town on ghost/marv btw. kinda mixed on Node. realized I didn't mention those.
HiroPro
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September 04 2012 15:17 GMT
#898

His scummiest action is lazily voting for you based on Zentor's connection theory.


yaaaaaa


hm, if I was part of the scum team, I wouldn't put everyone on Palmar. At the same time I wouldn't not want to lynch Palmar.

Hmmmm
HiroPro
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September 04 2012 16:59 GMT
#900
They shot me yesterday not today.
HiroPro
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September 04 2012 17:13 GMT
#903
Eh, I don't think there are 4 mafia. For one, Risen's role PM only suggests 3 mafia in total (including the traitor). Second, if there were 3 mafia alive yesterday they could have probably just killed some random townie (winning immediately as it'd be 3-3) instead of waiting almost till the deadline then shooting me.

And with 24 hour days and no nights, it's kind of hard to discuss as town.
HiroPro
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September 04 2012 22:21 GMT
#906
I wanna kill hopeless T_T

##Vote Hopeless1der
HiroPro
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September 04 2012 22:31 GMT
#908
Nope, doesn't work that way. You explain to me why we should be lynching someone else.
HiroPro
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September 04 2012 23:07 GMT
#911
I get lazy when I'm confirmed/near the end of games I need the pressure in order to put in effort. You shouldn't be listening to me. I'm only good for forcing people to things at this point.

No real reason to not lynch Node. The fact that he'd been thinking Risen as scum for a long time then suddenly decided to vote for me instead yesterday was weird.

Hopeless is mostly cause I don't like the pushes he made on Shady/ghost. There's no real substantial reasoning behind them (both of them are very ok this person died and was scum/town, therefore this guy is scum). The fact that he wanted to lynch ghost earlier this day but didn't say anything (and only came back when I voted for him) when people had seemed to mostly settle on Node troubles me a lot.
HiroPro
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September 04 2012 23:08 GMT
#912
EBWOP: You shouldn't be listening to me at this point. I'm only good for forcing people to do things by now.
HiroPro
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September 04 2012 23:44 GMT
#915
On September 05 2012 08:20 marvellosity wrote:
that's why I'm pressuring you, because I remembered your laziness comment in PTP obsQT. The end of the game is the most important time as the importance of lynches gets even greater. Your opinion/position holds a lot of weight and so you should use it with responsibility, not abdicate to the rest of town.

You're right about Hopeless' post timings today and his vote on ghost is very weak. And Node I think is heading for a modkill today at this rate.

Could you re-read fuba's case, and my subsequent comments (as well as in the back and forth with ghost) and say why Hopeless is particularly scummier than Node?



uh, I don't really agree with ghost's reasons for thinking Node is town (the aggressiveness aspect). Node is an experienced player, he's not going to have any trouble playing aggressive and fearlessly as mafia... Now admittedly I've never seen Node play.

fuba's case on Node: I don't find the traitor discussion stuff alignment-indicative. If there is a good reason to lynch Node though, I think this pretty much sums it up:

Most significantly, there's also the fact that earlier in the game he says that he doesn't see anything scummy about Hiro, then votes for Risen. In the most recent vote, when we're all diving on top of Risen, he suddenly finds Hiro to be more scummy. He doesn't explain this, or at least tries to explain it extremely poorly in his single post from yesterday. Why is he suddenly not believing HiroPro when he states in his reasoning for the MrZentor lynch that he's "...going to have to go with L and Hiro on [that] one."?


Hopeless over Node? Mostly just a gut feeling based on the fact that (except for the last lynch between Risen and me) Node has had solid reasons to back himself up. But like it's really not that strong.
HiroPro
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September 05 2012 00:12 GMT
#917
You know, it'd be nice if you explained why you think he's scum...
HiroPro
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September 05 2012 01:45 GMT
#920
eh fuck this. Node is getting modkilled from the way things are looking. you guys can talk about this tomorrow, when hopefully there'll be some better discussion. I don't want the game to end today. and honestly i'm not very sure at all about hopeless being scum at this point.

##Vote Node
HiroPro
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September 05 2012 01:50 GMT
#923
k whatever. you give reasons. and you seem to think when you post. lynch the guy not doing anything. talk tomorrow if it's not right.

##Vote ghost_403
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 05 2012 01:50 GMT
#924
##Unvote
##Vote ghost_403
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 05 2012 01:53 GMT
#925
ugh I don't even really like those reasons. oh well.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 05 2012 02:19 GMT
#927
the stuff before it is ok. not a huge fan of this

He also says before he gets lynched that a ghost/Hiro team looks likely to him -- a flip-flop of his earlier position. It's pretty easy to see that as deflecting suspicion off a scumbuddy, especially after he lightly defended him earlier.


But hey, I'm going with the ghost vote I guess. right up until I get killed at 11:29. or if Node is scum I might not die at all lol.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 05 2012 02:20 GMT
#928
or hey maybe they'll kill someone else just cause they know I'm not paying proper attention.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 05 2012 02:29 GMT
#934
I switch votes cause I feel like it.

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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 05 2012 02:32 GMT
#937
WHY DO YOU KNOW THAT THE GAME ISNT OVER
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 05 2012 02:40 GMT
#941
.....

gg, obs qt please
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 06 2012 02:48 GMT
#977
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 06 2012 03:18 GMT
#983
I kinda feel like mafia should have gotten a 1-shot "if the person you pick is L, they die".
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-06 03:19:57
September 06 2012 03:19 GMT
#985
congrats to scum. still have no clue how the fucking palmar lynch happened. and thanks to the hosts for making such a cool game.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 06 2012 03:21 GMT
#987
eh, the balance is kinda changed by the fact that town has very little time to discuss anything.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 06 2012 05:20 GMT
#1003
Being L had nothing to do with how I played day 1.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 06 2012 15:57 GMT
#1024
On September 07 2012 00:41 Risen wrote:
I wish I had pulled off my L fakeclaim :/

FUCKING MAMBA AND L VIGI POWERS!!!! Rofl. I would have pulled it off, too. Node was with me, fuba would have been with me, last second marvel swap and boom. Scum just wins.


I could have made a case against you if I wanted to lol. I was just lazy as hell.
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