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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Of course, before I do that, I should probably read the thread. My thoughts should be up in about an hour and a half (gotta get ready for werk). | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On August 31 2012 19:35 marvellosity wrote: why aren't we policy lynching zentor If Grush could turn over a new, slightly less moldy and gross leaf in PTP3, maybe Zentor can some day too! Anyway, we have an "actual case" to talk about - it may or may not be a good one, so let's maybe talk about it? Marv and Palmar and ghost, what do you guys think of the arguments against Huetzalcoatl? I mean, reading through the game many of the things he's said just give me a 'scum' feeling, but I'm not 100% yet. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Are you saying you have a "town" read on him despite those things, because he's talking while other people are lurking? Or are you saying you think we should be lynching into lurkers rather than posters who contribute, even if we find those contributions suspicious? Because I'm a lot more sympathetic to one of those arguments than to the other. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
A switch which is labelled "ON! THIS IS ON!" would seem off to Shady. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On August 31 2012 19:35 marvellosity wrote: why aren't we policy lynching zentor Im not familiar with zentor fill me in | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
is actively self-aware he's useless, could choose to be not useless, but purposefully chooses to be useless nonetheless | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
On August 31 2012 17:40 Palmar wrote: The world can't handle my greatness. I have no idea what's going on. Apparently I'm a detective but there's nothing that says I can investigate anyone. I haven't read the op or the game, I'll get back to you when I have. You've participated in enough mafia games to know that this post is worthless. Why not take some time to read everything before making this first post? BlackMamba24 wrote: btw strongandbig if you're fake claiming that's probably the smartest mafia fake claim i've ever seen. if you actually flip kira or something by the end of this game, i applaud you for a bold move like that It's not really that smart. It's the best fakeclaim a mafia could make D1 if he was into that, and it can't be proven or disproven while he's alive. It's also indistinguishable from a genuine miller claim. Thus there's little to be gained from discussing it in isolation. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Two things that I need to get out of the way. First of all, deadline is 1030pm my time, which is during the time I'm getting ready to go to bed. I'm going to try to make myself as available as possible around the lynch, but it's going to take some effort on my part. Secondly, my Saturday this week is shot. I should be active until around 18:00 GMT (+00:00), and then gone for more or less the rest of the cycle. FYI. | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
@BlackMamba24 - The problem with lynching liars is that "lies" in the traditional sense are hard to prove (i.e. fake-claiming), and it's hard to interpret what a "lie" really is. For example, a bad, misleading case can be made by a townie or a mafia member. It's too easy to intepret something like that as a "lie" based on policy as opposed to analysis. However, lynching lurkers is a great way to catch mafia. If you look back in any recent games, a significant portion of the mafia team is usually far less active than the rest of the thread - newbie games or otherwise. Hence my policy. I will say that I have much more to say about this post in particular later in the day... while the day 1 caveat for cases applies, this one is just laughably bad. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625¤tpage=7#136 @ShadySands - I'm trying out a new thing with the voting - I believe it was marv who told me that using "FOS" was for "scumhunters without balls." I'm pulling rough quotes here, but it's my sense that using "FOS" is frowned upon by the normal-game meta. @StrongandBig - Interesting claim, but "detectives" are are green role, and as far as I know, only the blue role ("L") can actually use the detective power. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 31 2012 22:01 Solarsail wrote: This game I plan to vote for people acting anti-town/"crazy" because in XXIV the people who did that were either mafia or very much helping the mafia despite being town by being a huge distraction. Hold up dood, I obsed that game, and only one of the mafia members were acting "crazy" (YourHarry). However, the other two members of the team (Z-Boson and Golbat) were lurking hardcore. So shouldn't you then be focusing your efforts on the latter category? | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
BMB: I'm curious. Has anyone else in the thread stuck out to you as playing scummy? Marv: What do you think about BMB's case against Hapa? Risen's play this game is a little off from the Risen we all know and love. Not sure exactly why as of yet. Could be it's just been a while since he's played. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Firstoff, BlackMamba only votes me after Shady is suspicious of me. This is small but noteworthy. On August 31 2012 16:19 BlackMamba24 wrote: I sat down and read the whole thread now. I don't know Hapahauli's meta but I agree with Shady Sands' FOS. Hapahauli immediately breadcrumbs the VT rolename "detective" then qualifies/explains the post following it immediately. Town wouldn't breadcrumb if they know mafia has a safeclaim and they wouldn't breadcrumb without knowing that. He didn't ask. Mafia, however, immediately like to abuse any defense they have. There is inherent guilt. If supplied with a safeclaim it's a very reasonable thing to do. I missed the Zephirrds post about the safeclaims because I'm very unattentive. When I first entered the thread, I only scanned and read the longer posts and made my comments about policy lynches. I forgot the game was starting tonight and saw my role PM right before I was about to watch a movie. First, he talks about mafia "abusing defenses." Other than the fact that calling my first two posts a "defense" is insane, look at the last three sentences of the quote. He's already making excuses for his lack of reading and "late" start, even though no suspicion is on him. Mafia try to look less suspicious even though they aren't suspicious. This is made all the worse by your "abusing defenses" comment earlier in the paragraph. Why would a townie, after making a specific reference to his role name then immediately post that he will no longer be using real role names? Why would he even need to tell us that? Is he afraid someone is going to point it out as an inconsistency? the first two posts in the thread are him and they're both passively defensive. Scum like to announce things that are meaningless for some reason. Making a big deal out of nothing - scum love to do that as well. What part of my first post should point to my allignment in any way? In his post history, he only goes on and on about lurkers and other bullshit like that. It's so tired and worthless. "Lurking is anti-town." What a revelation. Mafia are no more likely to lurk than town are and if town goes on a "let's kill the lurkers" bend how easy is it for the scum team to tell everyone on the team to just post a lot? It's stupid. ##vote Hapahauli Well lurking is anti-town. I've explained why and you never offered any reasoning against it. You just disagree with it on semantics. What's with "mafia are no more likely to lurk than town" - mafia are very likely to lurk, and many have lurked in the recent games I've observed (normal and newbie alike). And what do you mean it's easy for the scum team to "tell everyone on the team to just post alot?" That would be AWESOME for town. This is bursting at the seams with anti-town mentality. ##Unvote ##Vote BlackMamba24 | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
On August 31 2012 22:30 Hapahauli wrote: Hold up dood, I obsed that game, and only one of the mafia members were acting "crazy" (YourHarry). However, the other two members of the team (Z-Boson and Golbat) were lurking hardcore. So shouldn't you then be focusing your efforts on the latter category? Boson wasn't lurking, there was enough of his posts to make a good read on him by D2. I don't believe in lynching lurkers D1, it gives you no information. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
@BMB: You are DrH, right? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On August 31 2012 22:51 ghost_403 wrote: Calm down, Hapa. Just because BMB wrote up a subpar case on Day 1 does not mean that he's scum. BMB (aka DoctorHelvetica) is very good at this game. I doubt that anyone can know his alignment quite yet, nevermind based on a single case he's presented on Day 1. @BMB: You are DrH, right? Why are you attacking Hapa for pressuring a pile of shit case? | ||
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