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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 31 2012 10:35 GMT
#141
why aren't we policy lynching zentor
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
August 31 2012 12:03 GMT
#142
I'm down with that.

Of course, before I do that, I should probably read the thread. My thoughts should be up in about an hour and a half (gotta get ready for werk).
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
August 31 2012 12:28 GMT
#143
On August 31 2012 19:35 marvellosity wrote:
why aren't we policy lynching zentor


If Grush could turn over a new, slightly less moldy and gross leaf in PTP3, maybe Zentor can some day too!

Anyway, we have an "actual case" to talk about - it may or may not be a good one, so let's maybe talk about it?

Marv and Palmar and ghost, what do you guys think of the arguments against Huetzalcoatl? I mean, reading through the game many of the things he's said just give me a 'scum' feeling, but I'm not 100% yet.

"It's the torso" "only more so!"
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 31 2012 12:30 GMT
#144
It seems to boil down to that he's not writing treatises of guilt or providing essays of contentful analysis in the first 6 hours of a game or something. Let's lynch the guy who took it upon himself to get things going, right?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
August 31 2012 12:46 GMT
#145
Well, it's not that he's not writing enough, it's the stuff he is writing. Specifically, his attacks on hopeless seem off to me, and his way of entering the game seems off to blackmamba and shady.

Are you saying you have a "town" read on him despite those things, because he's talking while other people are lurking? Or are you saying you think we should be lynching into lurkers rather than posters who contribute, even if we find those contributions suspicious? Because I'm a lot more sympathetic to one of those arguments than to the other.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 31 2012 12:48 GMT
#146
I'm saying I don't have a scumread off him for it.

A switch which is labelled "ON! THIS IS ON!" would seem off to Shady.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
August 31 2012 12:51 GMT
#147
On August 31 2012 19:35 marvellosity wrote:
why aren't we policy lynching zentor


Im not familiar with zentor fill me in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 31 2012 12:54 GMT
#148
On August 31 2012 21:51 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 19:35 marvellosity wrote:
why aren't we policy lynching zentor


Im not familiar with zentor fill me in


is actively self-aware he's useless, could choose to be not useless, but purposefully chooses to be useless nonetheless
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 31 2012 13:01 GMT
#149
This game I plan to vote for people acting anti-town/"crazy" because in XXIV the people who did that were either mafia or very much helping the mafia despite being town by being a huge distraction.

On August 31 2012 17:40 Palmar wrote:
The world can't handle my greatness.

I have no idea what's going on. Apparently I'm a detective but there's nothing that says I can investigate anyone.

I haven't read the op or the game, I'll get back to you when I have.


You've participated in enough mafia games to know that this post is worthless. Why not take some time to read everything before making this first post?

BlackMamba24 wrote: btw strongandbig if you're fake claiming that's probably the smartest mafia fake claim i've ever seen. if you actually flip kira or something by the end of this game, i applaud you for a bold move like that


It's not really that smart. It's the best fakeclaim a mafia could make D1 if he was into that, and it can't be proven or disproven while he's alive. It's also indistinguishable from a genuine miller claim. Thus there's little to be gained from discussing it in isolation.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
August 31 2012 13:16 GMT
#150
Alright, there's been a few interesting things that have happened in the thread this far, some of which I'll note in a my next post.

Two things that I need to get out of the way. First of all, deadline is 1030pm my time, which is during the time I'm getting ready to go to bed. I'm going to try to make myself as available as possible around the lynch, but it's going to take some effort on my part.

Secondly, my Saturday this week is shot. I should be active until around 18:00 GMT (+00:00), and then gone for more or less the rest of the cycle. FYI.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 31 2012 13:22 GMT
#151
Deadline is 3.30 in the morning for me so I can't be available anywhere close to it.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 31 2012 13:27 GMT
#152
Couple of things before I:m off to class for the day:

@BlackMamba24 - The problem with lynching liars is that "lies" in the traditional sense are hard to prove (i.e. fake-claiming), and it's hard to interpret what a "lie" really is. For example, a bad, misleading case can be made by a townie or a mafia member. It's too easy to intepret something like that as a "lie" based on policy as opposed to analysis. However, lynching lurkers is a great way to catch mafia. If you look back in any recent games, a significant portion of the mafia team is usually far less active than the rest of the thread - newbie games or otherwise. Hence my policy.

I will say that I have much more to say about this post in particular later in the day... while the day 1 caveat for cases applies, this one is just laughably bad.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625&currentpage=7#136

@ShadySands - I'm trying out a new thing with the voting - I believe it was marv who told me that using "FOS" was for "scumhunters without balls." I'm pulling rough quotes here, but it's my sense that using "FOS" is frowned upon by the normal-game meta.

@StrongandBig - Interesting claim, but "detectives" are are green role, and as far as I know, only the blue role ("L") can actually use the detective power.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
August 31 2012 13:27 GMT
#153
Note to self: Read Solarsail's previous games.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 31 2012 13:30 GMT
#154
On August 31 2012 22:01 Solarsail wrote:
This game I plan to vote for people acting anti-town/"crazy" because in XXIV the people who did that were either mafia or very much helping the mafia despite being town by being a huge distraction.


Hold up dood, I obsed that game, and only one of the mafia members were acting "crazy" (YourHarry). However, the other two members of the team (Z-Boson and Golbat) were lurking hardcore. So shouldn't you then be focusing your efforts on the latter category?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
August 31 2012 13:35 GMT
#155
I agree with Hapa: BMB's case was lackluster at best. Hapa came into the thread, posted "I'm town, flavor sucks", and that's it. I really don't see that as some sort of scum tell on his part.

BMB: I'm curious. Has anyone else in the thread stuck out to you as playing scummy?

Marv: What do you think about BMB's case against Hapa?

Risen's play this game is a little off from the Risen we all know and love. Not sure exactly why as of yet. Could be it's just been a while since he's played.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 31 2012 13:46 GMT
#156
BlackMamba's "case" against me is a pretty awful attempt at analysis. I don't mind trifling votes here and there (since there's so little to talk about), but BlackMamba uses some terrible logic in his suspicions. I just want to find out if he's a clueless townie or has mafia motivations.

Firstoff, BlackMamba only votes me after Shady is suspicious of me. This is small but noteworthy.

On August 31 2012 16:19 BlackMamba24 wrote:
I sat down and read the whole thread now. I don't know Hapahauli's meta but I agree with Shady Sands' FOS. Hapahauli immediately breadcrumbs the VT rolename "detective" then qualifies/explains the post following it immediately.

Town wouldn't breadcrumb if they know mafia has a safeclaim and they wouldn't breadcrumb without knowing that. He didn't ask. Mafia, however, immediately like to abuse any defense they have. There is inherent guilt. If supplied with a safeclaim it's a very reasonable thing to do. I missed the Zephirrds post about the safeclaims because I'm very unattentive. When I first entered the thread, I only scanned and read the longer posts and made my comments about policy lynches. I forgot the game was starting tonight and saw my role PM right before I was about to watch a movie.


First, he talks about mafia "abusing defenses." Other than the fact that calling my first two posts a "defense" is insane, look at the last three sentences of the quote.

He's already making excuses for his lack of reading and "late" start, even though no suspicion is on him. Mafia try to look less suspicious even though they aren't suspicious. This is made all the worse by your "abusing defenses" comment earlier in the paragraph.

Why would a townie, after making a specific reference to his role name then immediately post that he will no longer be using real role names? Why would he even need to tell us that? Is he afraid someone is going to point it out as an inconsistency? the first two posts in the thread are him and they're both passively defensive. Scum like to announce things that are meaningless for some reason.


Making a big deal out of nothing - scum love to do that as well. What part of my first post should point to my allignment in any way?

In his post history, he only goes on and on about lurkers and other bullshit like that. It's so tired and worthless. "Lurking is anti-town." What a revelation. Mafia are no more likely to lurk than town are and if town goes on a "let's kill the lurkers" bend how easy is it for the scum team to tell everyone on the team to just post a lot? It's stupid.

##vote Hapahauli


Well lurking is anti-town. I've explained why and you never offered any reasoning against it. You just disagree with it on semantics. What's with "mafia are no more likely to lurk than town" - mafia are very likely to lurk, and many have lurked in the recent games I've observed (normal and newbie alike).

And what do you mean it's easy for the scum team to "tell everyone on the team to just post alot?" That would be AWESOME for town. This is bursting at the seams with anti-town mentality.

##Unvote
##Vote BlackMamba24
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 31 2012 13:48 GMT
#157
Off to class - see y'all in a couple of hours
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 31 2012 13:51 GMT
#158
On August 31 2012 22:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 22:01 Solarsail wrote:
This game I plan to vote for people acting anti-town/"crazy" because in XXIV the people who did that were either mafia or very much helping the mafia despite being town by being a huge distraction.


Hold up dood, I obsed that game, and only one of the mafia members were acting "crazy" (YourHarry). However, the other two members of the team (Z-Boson and Golbat) were lurking hardcore. So shouldn't you then be focusing your efforts on the latter category?


Boson wasn't lurking, there was enough of his posts to make a good read on him by D2.

I don't believe in lynching lurkers D1, it gives you no information.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
August 31 2012 13:51 GMT
#159
Calm down, Hapa. Just because BMB wrote up a subpar case on Day 1 does not mean that he's scum. BMB (aka DoctorHelvetica) is very good at this game. I doubt that anyone can know his alignment quite yet, nevermind based on a single case he's presented on Day 1.

@BMB: You are DrH, right?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 31 2012 13:53 GMT
#160
On August 31 2012 22:51 ghost_403 wrote:
Calm down, Hapa. Just because BMB wrote up a subpar case on Day 1 does not mean that he's scum. BMB (aka DoctorHelvetica) is very good at this game. I doubt that anyone can know his alignment quite yet, nevermind based on a single case he's presented on Day 1.

@BMB: You are DrH, right?


Why are you attacking Hapa for pressuring a pile of shit case?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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