TL Mafia LVII - Page 48

On September 06 2012 11:59 austinmcc wrote:
I'm not discussing the numbers crap and the scumslip. However, this part of your post has been addressed by numerous folks. The explanation is the bit about how doing a scummy thing and then quickly backing down might have looked scummier, so he had to stick with it, which he proceeded to do vigorously.

---

As to your case on Steve Nash's teammate, I don't love it. I DO think that milton just got the times mixed up, that's a legitimate explanation from me. You can call it outright lying, but I just came from a game in which I thought 2 or 3 things had been said that weren't, and where one of our medics claimed to protect a dead person one night. I was town, he was town, we both "lied." It happens, and frankly, if you're talking about an actual fact (x happened before y), you're not talking about something scum can twist for their objectives, it doesn't really further scummy objectives when anyone can check the order and call you out. I think that's a legitimate reason to go into changing your read on someone, especially when almost 24 hours elapsed between the "vigis/trackers on this guy" post and the next mention. You can argue that if his read changed there should be a post when that happened, but...not enough for me to find Steve Nash's teammate scummy.

Moreover, he had one of those little quotes that sticks out to me as something that only a townie could have written:
That's not just an idea that should get you town cred, it's just a weird little thought thrown into a bigger post of his, and, in my mind, it's not what I'd come up with if I were just thinking about how to get townies to think I'm townie.

1. People who went actively or softly against the Mattchew lynch: Ottoxlol/Gravan

2. People who came in after Palmar confirmed it and made fluff posts

3. At least one active person, probably Bill Murray. He's seemed to focus a lot on people like MiltonKram/Hapahauli neither of whom are scummy at all and meanwhile his rhetoric/language seems very much an attempt to buddy up with me or other people.

On September 06 2012 12:10 austinmcc wrote:
Black Mamba is one of the nicknames of Kobe Bryant, who wears # 24. He's old and washed up, inaccurate, probably responsible for global warming.

BlackMamba24, BM24, Kobe are all ... that guy, who also has an old account that people are calling DrH, which he's posted under a couple times (DrHelvetica).

Steve Nash is everyone's favorite player ever, who now has the misfortune of playing a team with Kobe.

On September 06 2012 12:17 austinmcc wrote:
Sorry. Steve Nash's teammate = Kobe = Black Mamba = DrH. He appears to be a man of many names.

On September 06 2012 12:11 Hapahauli wrote:
I've said all I need to say on Ottoxlol. Considering his emotionality and unreasonableness during his defense of Mattchew, it reads pretty clear to me that he doesn't know allignments. I doubt he's scum caught in bad allignments, considering how many opportunities town gave him to back off his reads. He could've taken any one of them and looked fine, not scummy as you suggest. Him hard-defending Mattchew is nonsensical from a scum perspective - it shouldn't even cross his mind to defend Mattchew once he's confirmed scum by the moderator if he knows player allignments!

As for my case on DrH, it has nothing to do with my suspicions on MiltonKram, so I'm not sure why you bring that up. It has everything to do with the sudden shift in suspicions. I realize 24 hours elapsed, but take a look at MiltonKram's filter. Between his case on me and his last post (neutral questioning of BillMurray), he does nothing to alleviate himself of suspicion or make him seem more townie.

Also, you missed a key part of one of DrH's posts:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826&currentpage=40#795


Look at point #2 - that's exactly what Miltonkram was doing, and in the very same post, he calls Mitonkram "not scummy at all." This makes absolutely no sense.

On September 06 2012 07:51 BlackMamba24 wrote:
You'll find most of the scum team in these three groups.

1. People who went actively or softly against the Mattchew lynch: Ottoxlol/Gravan

2. People who came in after Palmar confirmed it and made fluff posts

3. At least one active person, probably Bill Murray. He's seemed to focus a lot on people like MiltonKram/Hapahauli neither of whom are scummy at all and meanwhile his rhetoric/language seems very much an attempt to buddy up with me or other people.

On September 06 2012 12:51 Toadesstern wrote:
Is Rewok a smurf or a new guy?

Can I still /in? This sounds like fun.

On September 06 2012 12:10 austinmcc wrote:
Black Mamba is one of the nicknames of Kobe Bryant, who wears # 24. He's old and washed up, inaccurate, probably responsible for global warming.

BlackMamba24, BM24, Kobe are all ... that guy, who also has an old account that people are calling DrH, which he's posted under a couple times (DrHelvetica).

Steve Nash is everyone's favorite player ever, who now has the misfortune of playing a team with Kobe.

On September 06 2012 07:51 BlackMamba24 wrote:
If you're unsure if someone is scum/assassin but have good reason to think they are scum, broadcast their case as an assassin so that assassins will hit the scum at night and help us win faster.

That's not just an idea that should get you town cred, it's just a weird little thought thrown into a bigger post of his, and, in my mind, it's not what I'd come up with if I were just thinking about how to get townies to think I'm townie.

On September 06 2012 12:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Another point: I find it strange that DrH is willing to see "bad townie" in MiltonKram, but is completely unwilling to see any "bad townie" motivation in Ottoxlol. From my perspective, I think it's pretty clear that Ottoxlol is a deluded townie, and DrH really hasn't even considered the other side of things. He's been incredibly aggressive at getting Ottox vigi-killed - and this was all before BC brought up the 5-man team "scumslip" (which I still believe is a misinterpretation, but we've argued enough of that).