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On August 28 2012 12:43 Shady Sands wrote:
A couple possibilities with the Daypost:
1) Scum did not use their KP.
2) Scum used their KP but JK jailed a scum.
3) Scum used their KP but JK jailed their target.
4) Scum used their KP but medic healed the target.
Shady:
5) Scum used their Delay power
is another option
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On August 28 2012 21:53 Kville wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 21:39 marvellosity wrote:
How could DJ make a mislynch happen on himself?
What's wrong with you?? Stop taking things out of context. I specifically said with YOUR vote as in MARVELLOSITY. That is you correct? You see town? how aggressive they are and they way they protect each other as I stated in my post previous. There is something very interesting between these too. Thank you Marv and DJ for proving my point.
thank you for proving my point that you cannot read the thread. it's nothing to do with protecting each other.
I WAS AWAY AT THE WEEKEND AS ALREADY EXPLAINED
CAN YOU READ THIS?
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Kville, this is just for you, as for some reason you decided not to play newbie games:
On August 28 2012 03:20 marvellosity wrote:Associative cases - don't bloody do them until someone has flipped. They're bad. Somehow thrawn and YourHarry got tied together during Day 1 and Day 2. And to town's detriment. They were different alignments and yet people were tying them together as the same alignment. Just look at the damage it can cause. It led to the actions of one player being used to indict another player before either have flipped, which is just nonsense. I don't want to say TOO much about it, but remember this? Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 13:25 DarthPunk wrote:
OK we are in a terrible situation. I blame myself for being active and building the majority of the case on Thrawn along with Goodkarma. whilst allowing others to contribute nothing at all. I had a very strong scum read on Your harry. But a lot of it was based on being scum with Thrawn and Obvious.
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I have no idea what you're babbling about. Firstly, read my advice to newbies on associative cases seen above.
As far as I can see you're just making shit up. You should stop that.
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On August 28 2012 22:03 Kville wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 21:58 marvellosity wrote:Kville, this is just for you, as for some reason you decided not to play newbie games: On August 28 2012 03:20 marvellosity wrote:Associative cases - don't bloody do them until someone has flipped. They're bad. Somehow thrawn and YourHarry got tied together during Day 1 and Day 2. And to town's detriment. They were different alignments and yet people were tying them together as the same alignment. Just look at the damage it can cause. It led to the actions of one player being used to indict another player before either have flipped, which is just nonsense. I don't want to say TOO much about it, but remember this? On August 20 2012 13:25 DarthPunk wrote:
OK we are in a terrible situation. I blame myself for being active and building the majority of the case on Thrawn along with Goodkarma. whilst allowing others to contribute nothing at all. I had a very strong scum read on Your harry. But a lot of it was based on being scum with Thrawn and Obvious.
Then lets flip one. #Vote DJ
As long as we're clear - you're voting DJ because of that one comment that he already explained (pretty satisfactorily imo) and because you're desperate that I'm scum defending him and not, shock horror, a townie not wanting to lynch someone he considers another townie?
You have considered this, yes?
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On August 28 2012 23:25 iamperfection wrote:
@ Marvelosity
So you think accosiative cases are bad but accept Djagulingu explanation? Can you please enlighten us on that.
I read it as bull shit. His whole theory hinges on voting trends which makes no sense to me. Mafia have the information advantage they can influence how they look by where they vote.
His point was that is Lvdr was town, Chez has simply been wagoning from townie to townie with little explanation. What is there to dispute here?
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On August 28 2012 23:44 Kville wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 23:29 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2012 23:25 iamperfection wrote:
@ Marvelosity
So you think accosiative cases are bad but accept Djagulingu explanation? Can you please enlighten us on that.
I read it as bull shit. His whole theory hinges on voting trends which makes no sense to me. Mafia have the information advantage they can influence how they look by where they vote. His point was that is Lvdr was town, Chez has simply been wagoning from townie to townie with little explanation. What is there to dispute here? Oh? He thinks Lvdr was town? You don't say.. as Said by DJ:
"is" was clearly a syntax typo for "if", otherwise the sentence doesn't make sense. Get rid of your confirmation bias please.
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On August 28 2012 23:49 Kville wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 23:46 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2012 23:44 Kville wrote:On August 28 2012 23:29 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2012 23:25 iamperfection wrote:
@ Marvelosity
So you think accosiative cases are bad but accept Djagulingu explanation? Can you please enlighten us on that.
I read it as bull shit. His whole theory hinges on voting trends which makes no sense to me. Mafia have the information advantage they can influence how they look by where they vote. His point was that is Lvdr was town, Chez has simply been wagoning from townie to townie with little explanation. What is there to dispute here? Oh? He thinks Lvdr was town? You don't say.. as Said by DJ: ##Vote: Lvdr
Nothing about him makes me think that he's a townie. "is" was clearly a syntax typo for "if", otherwise the sentence doesn't make sense. Get rid of your confirmation bias please. So if lvdr was town then doesn't that make it seem like DJ is voting to lynch a townie as well?
If you don't read the thread, I will rip your head off.
The original "scumslip" everyone jumped on was where DJ-lingu said (paraphrasing) - "if Lvdr is scum, yay! If Lvdr flips town, Chez is probably scum" - the explanation for which was that Chez would have been wagoning from townie to townie with no explanation.
WHY IS THIS SO HARD FOR YOU
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Also, Lvdr has been completely absent for 40+ hours.
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On August 29 2012 09:50 Shady Sands wrote:Lvdr, I'd like to hear an explanation as to why you decided to sheep Marv's wagon for Talis when your read on Talis was the following: Also, your play in this game is completely different from your town play in XXV. Part of the reason I quit XXV was so that I could clearly call everyone's attention here to your confirmed town play there versus your play here. I would encourage everyone who is still on the fence about Lvdr to see his play there versus his play here: Lvdr's filter from this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&user=278119Lvdr's filter from XXV, where he was confirmed town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579&user=278119Look at how much more engaged Lvdr is when he plays town--look at how much he sticks around at lynch time and tries to drive a read home rather than going AFK and saying he has to eat, then sheeping other players. Anyhow, at this point I think lynching him will give us more of a read on a bunch of other players too. I'm going to switch things around. ## Unvote
## Vote Lvdr
## FoS IamP
## FoS MarvI think he is our best D2 lynch candidate. I will be around tomorrow prior to 2-3 hours prior to lynch time to round up votes.
Some of this case is actually pretty good. As for the bold, I went digging and found the following. This is around the Day 1 lynch deadline:
On August 24 2012 10:06 Lvdr wrote:
I'm willing to consolodate on obvious, but i dont like tht so many people are afk so close to the deadline. This is pathetic.
##obvious.660
Berating town for being afk. Then on Day 2, we have instead:
On August 27 2012 05:17 Lvdr wrote:
##Vote: Talismania
Let's see what happens.
followed by a post a few minutes after. Then not a peep from him in the next 6 or so hours coming up to lynch time. My previous read on him had related to how he was engaged and participating with town (check my filter) and firstly this hasn't been the case recently, and secondly the fairly glaring contradiction above, is making me reconsider. I'm quite conflicted, because quite a lot of his early play was pretty townie. As town knows I didn't think at all his scumslip was a scumslip, and he's been present and active at least some of the time, compared to...
...talis, who still needs to die die die. He's useless and he's never useless as town. He was totally absent for both lynches and seemingly doesn't give a shit who gets lynched.
I outlined the case against iamperfection earlier in the day. What makes me doubt my read is this response to me on the DJ-lingu issue:
On August 28 2012 23:45 iamperfection wrote:
marvelosity is smarter than me.
## unvote
Usually scum stick to their guns and don't back down with humility like that. It very much reminds me of Mattchew in Magic Mini backing down and voting for my scumread there (I can dig it out if people really want).
We should really be lynching talismania today. I can't imagine a scenario where he's town. Nothing he's done tells me he might be town.
##Vote: talismania
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Feigning some contribution day 3 does not mean he's town.
This is my 6th? (maybe 7th) game with talis, so I've probably played with him more than he's played with anyone else on TL Mafia. When I subbed into Mad Men Day 3, I hadn't really read the thread properly yet, but:
On August 09 2012 07:56 marvellosity wrote:
it was my breadcrumb, donkeyface.
anyway i mostly followed day 1 and kinda tapered off day 2 so have some catching up to do.
my preliminary reads coming in are that talis is town
wbg is scum for his case on grush
and then I didn't wanna lynch him even though he had a red-check on him (he turned out miller). I know a town talis when I see one. The thing is the meta points to him being scum, but in addition he's done jack shit this game. His vote was useless and abandoned day 1, day 2 he only turned up right at the end to sheep. That's scummy play all on its own.
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On August 29 2012 11:00 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 10:53 marvellosity wrote:Feigning some contribution day 3 does not mean he's town. This is my 6th? (maybe 7th) game with talis, so I've probably played with him more than he's played with anyone else on TL Mafia. When I subbed into Mad Men Day 3, I hadn't really read the thread properly yet, but: On August 09 2012 07:56 marvellosity wrote:
it was my breadcrumb, donkeyface.
anyway i mostly followed day 1 and kinda tapered off day 2 so have some catching up to do.
my preliminary reads coming in are that talis is town
wbg is scum for his case on grush and then I didn't wanna lynch him even though he had a red-check on him (he turned out miller). I know a town talis when I see one. The thing is the meta points to him being scum, but in addition he's done jack shit this game. His vote was useless and abandoned day 1, day 2 he only turned up right at the end to sheep. That's scummy play all on its own. How do you know he's only feigning contribution or not? Instead of looking to quantity, look to quality. Talis' posts really forced Chez and IamP to go straight with their trap/baiting claims on each other. That's very helpful. Look at Lvdr now. Can you honestly say the same?
Yes, I would say overall Lvdr has been more proactive and helpful. At least he cared enough to participate in the day 1 lynch. He may be scum, but talis is scum.
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I think we could go tit for tat all day here. I think the town needs more contribution than just us two talking.
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No, I'm not complaining that we've done so, obviously.
But I'm going to tell you talis has a much higher chance of flipping scum and you'll be telling me vice versa.
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On August 29 2012 17:15 Shady Sands wrote:
ebwop on a one on one basis, I don't think lynching any of them has more value than lynching Lvdr at this moment.
Depending on how Lvdr flips, we can gain a lot of credibility into VE/Milton AND IamP as well.
This is meaningless twaddle. Who gives a flying shit about the credibility of a bunch of players? The only thing that matters is who is likeliest to flip scum. The fact that you're suggesting otherwise is horrible.
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On August 29 2012 20:44 Miltonkram wrote:
Ok, having caught up on the thread a few things have jumped out to me.
Firstly, because of general inactivity and the accusations that have been flying every which way between the active posters in the thread I think the correct play for scum has been to lay low. I'm looking at several players who have avoided putting out a lot of content, specifically Chezinu, Talismania, iamperfection, and KVille. At this moment I'd be fine with a lynch on any of them, but especially Chezinu. I realize he plays trolly, but he hasn't contributed much more than placeholder votes at the end of the days. This is bullshit. Feel free to hoist him up and I'll make sure to dance on his grave.
It seems like there is a decent amount of traction towards a talismania lynch. While my gut prefers a Chezinu lynch, I can happily get behind this lynch as well. Having played with talis in the past, I think he's been inactive/unhelpful enough to warrant a lynch.
I'm pretty tired and catching up on the thread while I probably should have been sleeping has left my brain fried. I'll hopefully get some more time when I wake up to put together more complete cases. Night everybody.
To the bold, this could well be a good shout.
Lvdr, do you have a 2nd read behind talis?
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On August 30 2012 00:32 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 20:55 marvellosity wrote:On August 29 2012 20:44 Miltonkram wrote:
Ok, having caught up on the thread a few things have jumped out to me.
Firstly, because of general inactivity and the accusations that have been flying every which way between the active posters in the thread I think the correct play for scum has been to lay low. I'm looking at several players who have avoided putting out a lot of content, specifically Chezinu, Talismania, iamperfection, and KVille. At this moment I'd be fine with a lynch on any of them, but especially Chezinu. I realize he plays trolly, but he hasn't contributed much more than placeholder votes at the end of the days. This is bullshit. Feel free to hoist him up and I'll make sure to dance on his grave.
It seems like there is a decent amount of traction towards a talismania lynch. While my gut prefers a Chezinu lynch, I can happily get behind this lynch as well. Having played with talis in the past, I think he's been inactive/unhelpful enough to warrant a lynch.
I'm pretty tired and catching up on the thread while I probably should have been sleeping has left my brain fried. I'll hopefully get some more time when I wake up to put together more complete cases. Night everybody. To the bold, this could well be a good shout. Lvdr, do you have a 2nd read behind talis? Thanks for drawing attention to this. Marv, do you have 2nd and 3rd reads behind talis?
iamperfection/Lvdr are secondary, weaker reads, Chez as the wildcard.
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On August 30 2012 04:10 talismania wrote:
hokay so basically I'm on the block because I haven't been around? I guess that makes sense. I haven't been around much after all =P Can't say I've even really gotten into this game from the get-go either. I usually like a bit of setup talk to chew on but this one after all is normal.
ok let me gather my reads n shit.
Apathy that only happens when talis is not town. talis hates scum and loves playing town. I'd like to see him even try to deny this, and try to explain this away.
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