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On August 30 2012 08:31 Miltonkram wrote:
I'll be back from work in a little over an hour. Unfortunately I've only been able to give the Lvdr situation a cursory glance and nothing too in depth. From what I've seen the Lvdr case is solid though. Reviewing talismania's play I'm inclined to believe he's actually busy. It's frustrating that we've had so many players with so little content, but if I am actually voting for who I think is scum, I have to go with Lvdr
YES. Hammer time on Lvdr.
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One more post for posterity. Dj/talis/milton is my scumteam.
Miltons nail in my coffin is too easy.
talis has been coveres.
dj i mentioned earlier.
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I think dj hopped wagons for a simple reason. He is scum.
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more lvdr talk unitll the last second
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I put an asterisk next to shady. Def could be bad town but he can play obvious mafia too look at nenewbie games i played with him.
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I feel quite town on iamp and marv. Blue is prolly bad town. Mafia on my wagin i think.
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Lol this is impossible on a phone.
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In my dieing words, if we have a vigi shot or anything left over, shoot shady!
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I mean after mafia delt with.
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2 hours left anyone having second thoughts?
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On August 30 2012 08:37 marvellosity wrote:
"I'd rather spend time with my girlfriend at home" (ergo, not take even fifteen minutes to look at the thread) sounds like 'he's actually busy' and cares?
right-o then.
Marv, what do you think of the recent train of posts from Lvdr?
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I'm not dead and I'm home so I can type real cases!!!
@Talis: (kind of roundabout, but i'm going to present it in the way I read it)
1. I have a strong town read on Marv.
2. I like his read on talis, esp the STYLE of read. To give an IE, I think he feels about talis the way I felt about Dandel Ion in newbie V: not based on specific posting mistakes, but a pure read based off the filter as a whole.
3. I looked at his filter myself and thought it looked kinda scummy, not a large quantity of posts, not a lot of actual content, kinda fluffy overall.
4. Some posts from his filter:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=67#1331
Seems like a scum jumping on a perceived mistake. I expect teh bads from shady, but really does everyone get to misread what I write?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=68#1352
I don't like the way he tries to undermine marv/marv's case with absolutely no evidence and no followup. This makes me think Shady is a bad-townie pawn more than scum.
4. His defenses have not struck me as town. This seems to be a cold reading thing, but he seems like an apathetic scum that is not too worried about getting lynched because I am clearly under the hammer.
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Kville are you still lynching me for info?
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Vote count:
iamperfection (0):
Shady Sands
Chezinu (1):
Bluelightz
Djagulingu
Djagulingu (0):
Kville
iamperfection
Lvdr (5):
Chezinu
Shady Sands
Kville
talismania
Djagulingu
Lvdr
talismania (3):
marvellosity
iamperfection
Lvdr
Lvdr
Djagulingu
Not Voting
Miltonkram
With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch. Currently, nobody is set to be lynched.
The deadline arrives in ~1 hour, 20 minutes.
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Sadly unless there is a sudden vote change.
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@DJ
1. Giving his filter another read, I would say this is my #3 read, and the most likely to swap with Shady if Shady turns up being mafia.
2. That being said, his filter does not scream townie, as he tunnels the VE/CHEZ 'scumslip' I made D1, and then adds on chez (who is basically a free target), and talis which could be a distancing technique.
3. This post is my evidence #1
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=68#1350
He goes from talis who is supposedly a higher scumread and has more votes at the time, onto me
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=65#1286
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=65#1292
First of all, he takes talis back from the brink, and makes me the much more probable lynch target.
Second, How does this play make any sense from a townie perspective to do that from a higher scumread to a lower scumread? Screams that he is actually protecting talis without trying to appear to be.
Third, he checks out immediately after the vote, and a long ways away from the lynch deadline in order to try to make the wagon stick and to avoid defending it. This is a drive-by-voting!
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My appeal to those townies that are on my wagon. There is time and there are votes enough to lynch talis! A Kville/Shady/+1 swap gets a lynch right there.
The lynch is for mafia, not for 'informative flips'!
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@milton
First of all I had some suspicions on VE. Not sure if its really applicable, but its relevant.
Mostly though, I don't think this post shows a townie mindset at all.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=70#1399
I would expect from a townie some discussion of that the vote he is casting IS THE DECIDING VOTE, and that a lynch is desirable over a no-lynch even though his knowledge (as a replacement) is limited. I would expect a townie to have some sense of doubt because they are a replacement and they don't want to come in and instantly make a mistake.
Instead, Milton comes across as VASTLY prefering my bandwagon to talis, and without a hint of hesitation. He seems to unambiguously prefer lynching me to talis. Yes it is a confirmation bias, but it falls in perfectly with my theory of talis being mafia, and milton protecting him.
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