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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On August 24 2012 16:41 Djagulingu wrote: I don't know if there is a better target than Lvdr tbh, he's my one of my top scumreads and the fact that he very openly bandwagoned down Obvious does nothing but support my opinion. On the other hand, Bluelightz after seeing the vote summary in page 44 switched right into Obvious, that is very suspicious to me as well. He thought that Obvious was a townie all along, his town read on him was very controversial, but he was still thinking that Obvious is town. Then, he switches his vote from marv into Obvious at the very last second to commence the lynch. My top read atm. I switched because I wanted to have a flip to use as evidence, or as a point to use for better reads. | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On August 24 2012 23:06 Bluelightz wrote: I switched because I wanted to have a flip to use as evidence, or as a point to use for better reads. Still not convinced. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
What about chez? he only said he was "ok" with my lynch and switched just like me On August 24 2012 10:05 Chezinu wrote: ##unvote ##vote Bluelightz Yet you don't have any suspicion on him, atleast I pointed out something about Obvious (long) before I switched to him (But after I changed my mind about him the other day). What would you do then, if I was the one mislynched today? | ||
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Kville
United States173 Posts
On August 24 2012 22:09 marvellosity wrote: I want to know where Kville was for the 2nd half of yesterday and why his vote was parked uselessly on Shady. at work o.o | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On August 24 2012 23:56 Bluelightz wrote: What about chez? he only said he was "ok" with my lynch and switched just like me Yet you don't have any suspicion on him, atleast I pointed out something about Obvious (long) before I switched to him (But after I changed my mind about him the other day). What would you do then, if I was the one mislynched today? The same thing I'm right now doing on Obvious' mislynch. | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
Trying to pick up leads from it, how it happened, how my scumreads are connected to that, what is the reason behind what they did, does that support my scum reads or refute them, all that shit. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
1) iamperfection possible scum. active lurked the entire lynch and near lynch time did nothing to push his strongest scum read BL. let others do it. then hopped off bl with little comment. 2) djasdflj possible scum. keen to latch onto wagons (me, lvdr, BL, obvious). overcomposed posts. mirrors posts of others in thread (palmar). keeps saying this is his first game ever on TL but knows too much about newbie games? I'm too lazy to actually see if he played them lol. 3) kville might just be a young kid and not scum. his delurk timing was pretty awesome just now thoguh. 4) lvdr I completely read that wrong. null. 5) shady is town. he cares and maintains his pressure. 6) VE is still probably town. | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On August 25 2012 01:27 talismania wrote: 2) djasdflj possible scum. keen to latch onto wagons (me, lvdr, BL, obvious). overcomposed posts. mirrors posts of others in thread (palmar). keeps saying this is his first game ever on TL but knows too much about newbie games? I'm too lazy to actually see if he played them lol. 1- Care enough to look at where my vote is before saying that I latched onto obvious' bandwagon? And was there even a wagon for you? 2- I learned to read at elementary school, I can read perfectly ever since. The point is that (unlike you) I'm not as lazy to skimp on reading things, like newbie games (no offense on the laziness part but you're lazy enough to be unable to copy-paste my nickname). 3- BL tops my suspect list for a good reason in which Lvdr is just inches behind. 4- I'm trying to express myself and my reasons as good as I can. Just like I tried as hard as I could to read the aforementioned names and tried to structure my scumreads as well as I could. I can do only so well though. + Show Spoiler + Newbin been since newbin since been newbin SINCE BEEN NEWBIN. Remember? 5- Mirroring posts of other people? Heyll, I learned a new thing about myself today. Let's check if that's true or not. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:14 Shady Sands wrote: Marv, what 6 games from BL were you referring to when you said you had backfiltered his meta? I can't remember the games, but WoF was the genesis for these thoughts. See posts like these + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 21:32 Bluelightz wrote: Toad, I know that your not Okay with this, but at least im going to explain how im going to try to find scum :/ 1 Mr Zentor 2 SamuelLJackson (Toadesstern+sandroba hydra) 3 Radfield 4 Snarfs 5 VisceraEyes 6 Phagga 7 prplhz 8 strongandbig 9 Forumite 10 Sbrubbles 11 marvellosity 13 Ace By cutting down the townies who I think are town, There are less people to read,etc. I guess you may just call this by process of elimination. Also, your exaggerating very much, I'm not calling 'EVERYONE' Town. On my suspicions, I have a sneaking feeling that prp is scum, MrZentor I'm debating as well. + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2012 23:04 Bluelightz wrote: Here is my current standings on people before I sleep 1 Mr Zentor 2 SamuelLJackson (Toadesstern+sandroba hydra) 3 Radfield 4 Snarfs 5 VisceraEyes 6 Phagga 7 prplhz 8 strongandbig 9 Forumite 10 Sbrubbles 11 marvellosity 13 Ace | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:00 marvellosity wrote: I can't remember the games, but WoF was the genesis for these thoughts. See posts like these + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 21:32 Bluelightz wrote: Toad, I know that your not Okay with this, but at least im going to explain how im going to try to find scum :/ 1 Mr Zentor 2 SamuelLJackson (Toadesstern+sandroba hydra) 3 Radfield 4 Snarfs 5 VisceraEyes 6 Phagga 7 prplhz 8 strongandbig 9 Forumite 10 Sbrubbles 11 marvellosity 13 Ace By cutting down the townies who I think are town, There are less people to read,etc. I guess you may just call this by process of elimination. Also, your exaggerating very much, I'm not calling 'EVERYONE' Town. On my suspicions, I have a sneaking feeling that prp is scum, MrZentor I'm debating as well. + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2012 23:04 Bluelightz wrote: Here is my current standings on people before I sleep 1 Mr Zentor 2 SamuelLJackson (Toadesstern+sandroba hydra) 3 Radfield 4 Snarfs 5 VisceraEyes 6 Phagga 7 prplhz 8 strongandbig 9 Forumite 10 Sbrubbles 11 marvellosity 13 Ace That's it? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:02 marvellosity wrote: Are you completely unable to read? You cited 6 games marv and all you can do to justify a meta read is 2 posts? You said you backfiltered his games. You made it sound very impressive. And this is it? Can you read? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:12 Shady Sands wrote: You cited 6 games marv and all you can do to justify a meta read is 2 posts? You said you backfiltered his games. You made it sound very impressive. And this is it? Can you read? I thought it was pretty clear it was something I had not done this game, but previously. So, for not wanting to spend an hour finding games to research by going through BL's profile (something you can do yourself) I went back to what had given me the idea in the first place. You fucking constantly don't read. You asked Palmar why he was raging before the nightpost. If you read the bloody thread properly you would have seen why it was the case. I then clarified, and instead of reading you then asked again. LEARN TO READ. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
Here is how it went down: Marv switches from BL based on his read of BL's all-green spreadsheet. Lvdr follows IamP follows VE, who has wanted Obvious dead from the outset, follows Chez follows BL hammers This isn't as bad as it seems. Scum didn't want a mislynch on Obvious, scum wanted a no-lynch to minimize the amount of information town could get from D1. Given how split and apathetic town was close to the deadline, it was certainly possible that they could have pulled it off. But they didn't. In this context, Chez and BL do not look scummy. BL could have easily kept his vote on someone else and gone for a no-lynch. Chez probably assumed BL was going to lynch Obvious, so his vote is a quasi hammer. VE I'm a bit more uncertain on, but his play, while not necessarily pro-lynching-the-right-person, was clearly anti-no-lynch. So his behavior there is basically a null read. This leaves the first three. Marv, Lvdr, and IamP. First, let's look at Marv's reasoning for the switch from BL to Obvious: On August 24 2012 10:19 marvellosity wrote: oh shit. Bluelightz is probably town. Unless this is an insane stunt (which I don't think BL is capable of), my own personal metaread on him (quite proud of its accuracy) is that as townie he's obsessed with other townies, and as scum with scum. His spreadsheet, while ridiculous, absolutely shows his mindset this game. His response also feels townie since he got back. I'm not at all comfortable with this lynch now, and Obvious is the better option. ##Unvote ##Vote: Obvious.660 On August 24 2012 10:26 marvellosity wrote: I find it far more plausible that that was his actual spreadsheet than one invented. Calling everyone town is a ludicrous idea. He also came back for the lynch, and his posts on return seemed townie too. On August 24 2012 10:33 marvellosity wrote: A couple of games ago in a game with him I back-filtered about 6 games of his. Every time he was town he was obsessed with townies, every time he was scum he'd make scumreads. Unfortunately I was too emotionally invested in other stuff in NMM2, but go take a look where he was scum there. Lots of scum reads, no town reads. On August 24 2012 10:36 marvellosity wrote: it's not been wrong yet, and yes i do feel very strongly about it. A decent part of my case was that he didn't care about the lynch and he's here caring about the lynch (even if it does involve himself). He said there was a small chance he'd be here for deadline but he is. It's based purely on meta. And he didn't even list the games he looked at. When I asked him for the games he just listed one game as the "genesis" of his thoughts. Then he started yelling at me T_T. I'm almost inclined to call bullshit on it, but what troubles me is how easily people sheeped. The true culprits here are not Marv but the sheepers, Lvdr and IamP. IamP goes from not suspecting Obvious at all, to saying "I agree" and then sheeping Marv on Obvious. But IamP at least jumped into the thread to rein me in when I went off the reservation and switched my vote to VE rather than BL. So it doesn't seem like he's working for a no-lynch. That leaves Lvdr. Here's his filter: On August 23 2012 05:58 Lvdr wrote: @VE It is entirely possible Shady misunderstood your suspicions. In my last few games we have had to deal with a lot of suspicious Bad townies. This is what shady looks like me right now. This statement is really over the top. You seem too experienced to push this as town; therefore I find your behavior scummy. ##Vote: VisceraEyes He starts with a quick vote on VE. Then he defends himself from VE's scumslip accusation at him, then FOS's Chez and BL. Then he switches his vote to BL. This is where things get a little wierd. On August 24 2012 07:42 Lvdr wrote: Ok I'm back, and I still think ve smells funny. Total gut feel so I'm not going to vote it today. Of the lynch candidates I think bl or chez would be the best. Given that chez is not on the block... ##vote bluelightz Got some reading to do. Apparently his "gut feel" on VE was enough to make him clog up the thread with questions on VE, and even when those questions were never answered, he somehow forgets about them, then unvotes VE and switches to BL for the simple reason that BL hasn't posted enough content. Then he starts asking about VE again instead of trying to persuade other people of a lynch on BL. Then finger points Palmar for the no lynch move. Then says he's willing to consolidate on Obvious and switches his vote to Obvious before a consensus is clear on obvious. But in spite of looking dorky and out of touch through this whole process, he is following the vote process closely. When someone asks how many votes are necessary, he jumps to the call and informs "7 vote lynch." Then finally he sheeps Marv--but critically, after he sheeps Marv, this is what he posts: On August 24 2012 10:28 Lvdr wrote: Most times the simplest explanation is also the right one. This game has been very confusing so the "alltown" read is possible. Smells very mislynchy to me. It's almost like he's trying inject uncertainty into the vote minutes before lynch deadline. Advocating an alltown read then also smacks of trying to push for a no-lynch. Then says "lynch obv, he's eating dinner." At this point, it just looks like he doesn't give a shit. Then finally when Obvious comes back into the thread, he takes the first angry post Obvious makes and calls it a scumtell: But note that he only does this AFTER ALL SEVEN VOTES ARE IN. Basically he does nothing to encourage lynch before the hammer and only flips to feeling good about Obv lynch after he's hammered. Based on Lvdr's D1 behavior and his extremely pro-no-lynch behavior after the Obvious switch, I'm going to call for a vigi hit and/or D2 lynch on him. Finally, there are a few association theories which I think we can draw, but only after Lvdr flips. Conclusion: [b]## Vote Lvdr and/or vigi whack him. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
## Vote Lvdr and/or vigi whack him. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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Lvdr
United States418 Posts
1. Top lynch choice was BL. 2. When Bl's spreadsheet was shared I made (essentially a gut call) that I thought it was a mislynch. 3. Straight up I am suspicious of VE, I have made numerous posts about it. 4. However, that close to the deadline it was not practical to try to push a lynch on someone that most have a town read on. 5. I wanted to AVOID a no-lynch. 6. Obvious was #3 on my lynch list behind BL and Chez. 7. I blatantly sheeped onto obvious to make sure there was a lynch. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
3. Straight up I am suspicious of VE, I have made numerous posts about it. 6. Obvious was #3 on my lynch list behind BL and Chez. Given your suspicion on VE, where did VE go on your lynch list? | ||
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