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talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 22 2012 21:39 GMT

#479

On August 23 2012 06:34 VisceraEyes wrote:

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This doesn't the question LoveDoctor asked at all. FYI

yeah I wasn't answering his question

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 22 2012 21:48 GMT

#490

On August 23 2012 06:40 VisceraEyes wrote:

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Yeah. That was my point. Thanks for clearing that up.

You've played with me and are therefor qualified to answer the question. Why didn't you?

lvdr thinks you're scum, I doubt that you are, therefore I post

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 22 2012 21:59 GMT

#497

On August 23 2012 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote:

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AH, the CRUX.

In asking if I have a history of "successfully reading scum D1", ven if I have 100% accuracy in the past, this is completely meaningless unless you are operating under the premise that I'm town and am READING Shady. It shows his true thoughts on me (that I'm town) hiding beneath his actions (his vote, the questions, the ruse) and betrays preexisting knowledge of my alignment.

Chez, you truly are inspirational.

##Unvote
##Vote Lvdr

holy shit that's genius

##vote:lvdr

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 22 2012 22:02 GMT

#499

On August 23 2012 07:00 Chezinu wrote:
PS: You guys were suppose to talk about my question when I was sane so that I could get some reads BUT NOOOOO you guys had to get me all paranoid so that I went Chezinu!! You just couldn't take it! You called my sane postins NOTHING and TROLLING!! I NEVER GET CALLED THAT WHEN I DOOOO TROLL!!!!! You unleashed a monster mafia!!!

people that know chezinu - does he claim mafia when he's mafia? or when he's town?

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 22 2012 22:02 GMT

#501

like, is that a troll or seriously this game just blew my mind twice in like 2 minutes.

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 22 2012 22:06 GMT

#507

reposting this:

I have read this like ten times now and it seems pretty clear that he is claiming mafia. Is this... I mean, what? Is this really a troll? I can't understand it from either alignment unless it's just a straight-up slip.

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 22 2012 22:13 GMT

#515

On August 23 2012 07:08 VisceraEyes wrote:

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I read it like this. YMMV

oh that does make sense too.

though if I were mafia and chez was town and decided to start troll-mode I think I'd be pretty happy but maybe chez just thinks really highly of his "methods"

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 22 2012 23:10 GMT

#530

On August 23 2012 07:35 Lvdr wrote:
Also, my questioning was designed to refine my read on VE. Because nobody was answering my questions, I tried rephrasing them multiple times. Somehow that turned into a scumslip?

It really did sound like you were presuming him innocent despite the fact that you're voting for him. Not just in that question but in the previous ones as well.

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 22 2012 23:15 GMT

#532

that's kind of the point haha

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 24 2012 06:31 GMT

#938

sorry to everyone and the hosts for being completely absent today. I'm basically only able to post at work (I prefer spending time with gf when at home - she was out of town for most of mad men) and today ended up being kind of crazy in lab. I knew these past two weeks would be a little rough hence my pregame post but that's no excuse for entirely missing the last day of the cycle :-(

off to bed, I'll read through in the am.

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 24 2012 16:27 GMT

#948

=/ so it turns out I have to do a lot of work today too. brief thoguhts:

1) iamperfection possible scum. active lurked the entire lynch and near lynch time did nothing to push his strongest scum read BL. let others do it. then hopped off bl with little comment.
2) djasdflj possible scum. keen to latch onto wagons (me, lvdr, BL, obvious). overcomposed posts. mirrors posts of others in thread (palmar). keeps saying this is his first game ever on TL but knows too much about newbie games? I'm too lazy to actually see if he played them lol.
3) kville might just be a young kid and not scum. his delurk timing was pretty awesome just now thoguh.
4) lvdr I completely read that wrong. null.
5) shady is town. he cares and maintains his pressure.
6) VE is still probably town.

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 27 2012 01:50 GMT

#1091

##vote: dj

Sorry went camping no clue whats going on but just saw the vote total hope this helps

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 28 2012 15:59 GMT

#1213

ok I'm here and have some time what is going on in this game.

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 28 2012 16:10 GMT

#1214

wow there were only like 5 pages all weekend that's crazy. I thought I missed a ton.

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 28 2012 16:26 GMT

#1216

On August 27 2012 14:46 Djagulingu wrote:

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It was half bait half serious. All Chezinu did in day 1 was to look active and bandwagon Obv down. Then, he was also bandwagoning Lvdr until I called him out. Then he switches his vote on me, again in a bandwagoning fashion, creating an NL.

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On August 27 2012 08:40 Shady Sands wrote:

On August 27 2012 06:45 Djagulingu wrote:
Lvdr lynch will give a big time info to us. If he flips scum, we're good. If he is townie, then we have all the reasons to suspect Chezinu.

Seconded. Explain faster.

Also, now that I think about it, explain this too:

On August 24 2012 03:10 Djagulingu wrote:

On August 23 2012 20:07 Palmar wrote:
Alright this is the lynch I want

##Vote Obvious

For reasons outlined in my post.

tl;dr version:

1. Posts generic stuff (discussing lurker lynches and such)
2. Spends an absurd amount of time obsessing about my random lynch idea
3. His only attempt at scumhunting is basically rehashing what people already said about Kville
4. Wants to lynch me on something that's a null-tell, without any attempt at further analysing my play.

Please go along with this guys.

Well, at least I was right about what Palmar was trying to achieve with random-lynch bullshit. He's picking off the guys who got overly obsessed with it.

While liking his read on Obvious, I'm also reading something stupid from Lvdr. He basically defended Shady for the whole day, doing his job for him, which brought 3 options in my mind:

1- Lvdr is a scumbag defending his fellow scumbag
2- Lvdr is a scumbag defending Shady to make him look like a scumbag, after seeing people thinking that Shady is a scumbag.
3- Lvdr is a townie and trying to defend someone who he sees as a townie.

Then I see this:

On August 23 2012 20:37 Shady Sands wrote:
back in thread. Why is everyone dropping the focus on Lvdr right now when we had him cold yesterday?

and think. Think about the reason why would one of the 2 scumbags defend the other while getting bussed by the scumbag he's defending.

This kicks the option 1 out of the window and brings another option in its place:

4- Shady is a scumbag trying to pick on controversial townies one by one, trying to create wagons for them.

This eliminates option 3 in my mind. Right now, all I know is they both can't be townies. Checking both filters, I see that Shady is reading the thread, producing cases, participating the scumhunt, trying to be helpful at the very least. His attention is pretty scattered though. On the other hand, I look at Lovedoc and see that all he ever posts is some fluff showing no intention to participate in scumhunting, microscopic to no attempt on reading players and sharing his leads, almost like he doesn't even need to read other guys in the thread. All I know is; scum does not have to read people because they know everything, town on the other hand has to.

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##Vote: Lvdr

Here you say that Lvdr and I can't both be townies. So if Lvdr flips scum, then shouldn't you be suspecting me, too?

Back in day 1, when we literally had little to no information, that's what I thought. If Lvdr flips scum, I would pretty much confirm that you are a townie.

But, seeing how Lvdr is suspicious, you could have been a scumbag trying to bandwagon him down into a mislynch in day 1 knowing that he's a townie.

So yes, if Lvdr flipped a scumbag, I wouldn't suspect you. After all, a day1 bus play is too balls-to-the-wall to execute.

Sorry still sorting through things from the past couple days.

DJ what do you mean by "half-bait"? What were you trying to bait with that post? Like, did you intend for that post to be a little trap of some sort, and if so how would that work?

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 28 2012 16:45 GMT

#1217

On August 28 2012 02:59 Djagulingu wrote:

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On August 28 2012 02:42 Shady Sands wrote:

On August 28 2012 02:14 Djagulingu wrote:

On August 28 2012 01:19 Shady Sands wrote:

On August 27 2012 21:28 Djagulingu wrote:

On August 27 2012 21:11 Kville wrote:
This is what makes you suspicious:

On August 27 2012 07:07 Shady Sands wrote:

On August 27 2012 06:45 Djagulingu wrote:
Lvdr lynch will give a big time info to us. If he flips scum, we're good. If he is townie, then we have all the reasons to suspect Chezinu.

Please explain.

If lvdr were to flip town then chezinu must be scum? But why? .......and what would happen if chezinu were to flip town as well? Your just making us vote town for scum. This is a pure scum play. Eliminating town after town.

The lynch is between lvdr and talis, no-one else is going to get the votes.so whoever is on other wagons should reconsider asap. Or if they think both are town, say so now

Also marv needs to explain this, why only consider these two? and you werent even here for the rest of the night, so even if we were to give you an explaination it would have been null. The 'reconsideration' wasn't even valid and was just written to display a town feel to the post.

Like I said, all Chezinu has done for 2 days of game time is to join bandwagons while not making cases and participating discussions, which is also scum play.

Day 1: He joins obvious bandwagon first, then unvotes, then joins back in.
Day 2: I start by voting Lvdr, he follows after me; after I call him out and start getting bandwagoned, he joins my bandwagon.

He at the very least has to provide reasons why he bandwagoned onto the people who he bandwagoned. Lvdr flipping town thus would 100% guarantee Chezinu being a scumbag who bandwagons townies down, Lvdr flipping scum would create confusions about him (whether he's a townie or a scum bussing Lvdr). In both cases, we would guarantee finding a scum by Lvdr lynch on day 2. THAT is my explanation about Chezinu.

Lvdr was just my top scum read (or was he?). He was just posting scummy and also voting scummy. But now he's only #4 in my list though. Talis, iamperfection and Chezinu are above him.

Why are you agreeing with Talis and iamperfection being more scummy than Chez now?

What makes you think so? I put them in no particular order. I just think that this is the scum team. My best lynch candidate is Chezinu though, especially after seeing him bandwagon every single lynch candidate.

On August 28 2012 01:03 iamperfection wrote:

On August 28 2012 00:59 Djagulingu wrote:

On August 28 2012 00:57 iamperfection wrote:

On August 28 2012 00:49 marvellosity wrote:

On August 28 2012 00:44 iamperfection wrote:
So you didnt see Djagulingu post from your phone? it didnt strike you as odd at all? both kvill and shady asked for explanation just before you posted your comment.

In fact you havent commented on Djagulingu comment at all what do you think of it? All you said was that its a possible slip what is it in your view?

Djagalang's explanation is here on this page, if you care to read it.

My view is that a bunch of inexperienced townies leapt on a comment that wasn't a scumslip and started a bizarre wagon based off of it. Did the comment need explaining? Yes. Did the comment merit a bandwagon with hardly any time left in the day? Certainly not.

So are you buying his explanation?

Buying or not buying, he's explaining his reasons. Why don't you try and explain your reasons why you're buying/not buying my explanation?

Why do you find it necessary to make a trap? Is it impossible for a (town) chezinu to vote for a (town) Lvdr?

It is not impossible for town Chezinu to misvote, I voted for Lvdr too, risking a misvote, but I had a plan with it. Either Chezinu is a sheep and doesn't have any plans whatsoever or he was bandwagoning Lvdr intentionally. The way he bandwagoned the town Obv and town me also supports my claims of Chezinu being a scumbag.

The trap part wasn't intentional though, I accidentally trapped him and guess what. It is working. It is working damn so well. It pulled 3 in the price of 1. You, Chezinu and Talismania.

All people who are not named iamperfection, Chezinu or Talismania; just look at the bandwagoning patterns of these guys. See how they bandwagoned into Obvious, see how some tried to bandwagon into Lvdr, see how they tried to bandwagon into me.

Bluelightz dude, you're the MVP of this game, for last minute lynching Obvious.

This post doesn't make sense. It's a WIFOM mindbomb. Dissecting, hold on.

WIFOM Mindbomb? Well, I can agree with the mindbomb part but it is hardly wifom. Let me clear the process for you:

1- I was really thinking that Lvdr is a scumbag
2- I voted for him
3- I saw Chezinu voting for him, he had no reasons unlike me. Horrible or not, at least I had my reasons.
4- I looked at Chezinu's voting history.
5- I saw that Chezinu bandwagoned for Obvious as well, with no reason on him either.
6- I posted that thing, which got me bandwagoned and almost lynched.
7- I saw Chezinu bandwagoning on me too, again with no reason.

Up until step 3, I was just trying to get a scumbag lynched. In step 3, I saw the opportunity. Up until step 6, my plan was the following:

1- OK, let's lynch Lovedoc. If he flips scum, we got one.
2- If he flips town, people who bandwagoned for Obvious and Lovedoc are scumbags.

At the step 6 though, a slight change in the plans happened, VERY accidentally. 2nd voting evidence was now ME instead of Lovedoc and we had a NL instead of a Lvdr lynch. But at the end of step 7, I now have 3 voting evidences instead of 2, thanks to Chezinu bandwagoning both me AND Lvdr.

Oh ok I guess this is the meaning behind half-bait. So it wasn't really a bait in the first place, it was a bait after the fact.

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 28 2012 17:48 GMT

#1218

No response?

I don't think I'm reading this wrong. dj claimed after being asked to explain the post that apparently got him in trouble that he partly intended for it to be part of a trap (hence, "bait"). But I don't know what the actual intended trap was, except that he claims later that the same post accidentally allowed him to detect bandwagonners since it created a bandwagon on him. None of it makes sense. I understand looking at people who bandwagon. But I don't understand how that post is possibly "baiting" a bandwagon if the person he was interested in (Chez) was already on that wagon.

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 28 2012 18:50 GMT

#1222

On August 29 2012 03:13 Shady Sands wrote:

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So you've got a scum read on DJ then?

I had one before and still do. I was hoping to get some reaction from him before jumping down his throat or anything though.

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 28 2012 20:47 GMT

#1232

ok dj I understand what you're trying to say but it doesn't hang together.

This is the post that you said later was intended half as bait:

On August 27 2012 06:45 Djagulingu wrote:
Lvdr lynch will give a big time info to us. If he flips scum, we're good. If he is townie, then we have all the reasons to suspect Chezinu.

Your claimed trap was to push a lynch on lvdr, who you supposedly think might be scum. if he is, great, if he isn't maybe you can catch people bandwagoning. So far... ok. But at the time you made that post, you already had two people voting behind you. So the actual trap part wasn't this post, it was the part where you voted lvdr. This doesn't contribute to the supposed trap. Instead it sounds like what it probably is: lynch lvdr, if he flips town, lynch chez. In essence, justifying two days of votes at once, which smells like scum. That isn't bait for anything, and calling it that is a clumsy way to recast your actions.

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 29 2012 19:10 GMT

#1329

hokay so basically I'm on the block because I haven't been around? I guess that makes sense. I haven't been around much after all =P Can't say I've even really gotten into this game from the get-go either. I usually like a bit of setup talk to chew on but this one after all is normal.

ok let me gather my reads n shit.

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