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On August 17 2012 03:58 Toadesstern wrote: no I'm the joker! incorrect. Bum got the joker role in ptp from me and became the joker. (as luls I was the batman) | ||
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What people should instead be concentrating is scum and people trying to push scumish ideas. As Kurumi made the statement of role cops being the best form of cop he is obviously scum. Now lets continue finding the rest of his team as it appears they are going to out themselves easily. | ||
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On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote: I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind) So the following - No pokemon names No Type No role information No claiming medic to save scum Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- | ||
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I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. | ||
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On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote: I never defend myself You should know this by now Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad. | ||
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On August 20 2012 11:33 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Why do you feel the need to tell people to stop role speculating when no one's been doing it for the last several pages, and it's already been pointed out and addressed? considering there was a post what? 3 maybe 4 above mine that was a chain of exactly that. Not a pointless mention given that the discussion continued. Also, no one pushed the "stop the speculation train." Mentioning it while not trying to actually stop it is how do we say, useless. | ||
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On August 21 2012 01:27 Misder wrote: Aight, what I gathered from this thread: Drazerk and grush being really spammy. Both really annoying, but when I read the filters, at least Drazerk was a little(?) bit more helpful. I'm thinking + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2012 12:48 Drazerk wrote: Top 3 scum targets thoughts on the 4/25 lol I'm entering the thread posts What is the meaning to life? On August 20 2012 13:01 Drazerk wrote: I hate the word meta and everything assosiated with it you don't really have a real case on him and I am challenging you to present one based on what has already been posted not what he may do because he is grush He's probably going to be replaced / killed anyhow so there isn't a point discussing him until we know whats happening The entrance of the people using blue and Pokealliance. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of them is scum. It's just another way to blend in. I wouldn't mind lynching the scummiest of Kenpachi, grush, wherebugsgo, and Mattchew- which so far is... not enough info... I'm glad to be in a Chezinu game... Do you think that Kurumi and Drazerk are a scum team? Scum team or being generally unhelpful. As they both should IMO be joining games at at least attempting to be helpful as town leaning scum based on current behaviour. As for On August 21 2012 01:58 Toadesstern wrote: Kurumi being scum in general or BC getting to the conclusion that Kurumi is scum because he said role cops are awesome? I think Kurumi is scummy, as I just mentioned in my most recent post. I don't agree with BC's reasoning though. At least I don't understand what he's trying to say and why that should make Kurumi mafia. I've got my issues with BC as well, which makes the situation a little complicated right now. I'm not necessarily agreeing with what Wiggles said when quoting BC the first time (talking about how BC just said the same thing I did) as I'm usually someone who's just getting in the thread posting something before reading what happened the last couple of pages. So what Wiggles pointed out is something that happens to me all the time no matter of alignment, therefore I didn't even think about it. However the response BC did was odd and I agree with Wiggles on that point. So it's kind of hard to tell right now. I think both are somewhat scummy and I don't agree with what BC said although I agree with his conclusion, which gives me a little headache right now. Wouldn't mind seeing a little more from bum / VE / WBG. I gathered my base read of him based on actions + what he said. If you go back and read my stances of roles in every other iteration of Pick their power or pick your power you will realize I am one of the biggest sources of role does not equal alignment. (The role created to match my personality in personality mafia was a vig that shot roleclaimers) As such anyone who even begins to talk about roles in any real way regardless of how small or large I glare at increasingly quickly and anyone who makes a horrible statement IMO about validity of rolecops is also instantly on my radar. It may seem weird to people as I am aware my own view is not the norm, but suffice to say my experience in that form of discussion leads to how I operate. As for why you find me suspicious, everyone does when I am town. Sad but true. | ||
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On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote: Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far. Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response. All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum? I dislike Drazerk's posting so far... I end it with this lulz: Man, I think dirk just claimed scum with this post. hurrah | ||
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On August 21 2012 05:07 VisceraEyes wrote: BC is more active than I'd come to expect from him as scum, so that's all there is to say about that for now. Kurumi is Kurumi, and like Chezinu before him, he'll be Kurumi every game he plays until he proves otherwise. s&b I'm interested to hear what you think about Drazerk more fully. I want to hear from dirkzors atm, guy claimed scum want to see if he recants. | ||
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On August 21 2012 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Posted again because you apparently missed it Toad. The case on Kurumi is that he's Kurumi. The case on Draz is inflated WIFOMY bullshit that consists mostly of setup speculation. The case on BC is...that he said the same thing as you? Last time I checked, agreeing with someone isn't a scumtell, so until he elaborates on his read of Dirk I'm reserving judgement on BC. I'm not reluctant to talk about my thoughts, I just don't have many yet. If this doesn't satisfy you, then my sincerest of apologies. Hopefully my future contributions are up to your standards. Simple, he basically said he didn't want to be terrible about how he entered the thread. He then jumps on the bandwagon of the day of that time by making a large "say nothing post" as his post really says jack shit aside from talking about the fake solar beam. Its a space filler post on the person with the largest bit of heat on them that offers no new information or really anything of note at all. Why spend time making a post look large if you aren't going to put content with it. Since then he has had 1 post of complete apathy of "not wanting to read this garbage" that he is in no way helping to solve. Seems pretty open shut to me atm. | ||
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On August 21 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote: That's not terrible reasoning at all BC. Tell me what you think about Bumatlarge, BC...specifically his insistence that what I'm doing right now is anti-town, yet his reluctance to vote me. at the moment, him not actually voting for you is imo up with the regular town bum play. Rather than simply pushing a lynch and not caring about the results (or arguing a lynch option for the sake of it) he is asking questions and thinking. He could have adapted playstyle but given that he is more active than his regular scum play currently I am less inclined to say scum at this venture. | ||
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On August 21 2012 11:21 Chezinu wrote: If you see hearts on the walls... we may have a Woobat problem... there has to be a bat in this game.. woobat isn't in the original 150 yo. Golbat and zubat only....i think | ||
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On August 21 2012 17:39 Dirkzor wrote: Hey VE!? Why all of a sudden do you think people should vote me? You have made no mention of this earlier... Perfect time to take pressure off of yourself by adding another subject for scrutiny. A subject with already some focus from BC. If you find me scummy post why! Don't throw a ball up in the air for some townie to catch and throw. Thats what scummy people do... Same thing can be said about your Drazerk turn around. S&B added nothing new to the case but now its a good case whereas before is was bad? Haha. Its the biggest cop-out ever. And I don't want to wait for you to show that you want to find scum. I want you to try and find scum now. And you haven't. Not just a little? ##Vote VE I like you Dirkzor. You make my job easy. You random hop on wagons, make the smallest posts in the world of "original content" to go into large say nothing posts, and you have honestly some of the worst reasons in the world for posting on people. You have also lied, not once but twice. The first I am willing to forgive as you were most likely aiming a test on a player second however was pure and unadulterated lie. Given that a town player would be doing his best to ensure every case he made was of actual information not pure lies, I am going out on a limb here to say you were expecting to think that it would be hidden well in your giant post of uselessness and not called out. Regardless you have clearly not been playing in the interests in the town and aside from the material on you the material on imallinson is by far the strongest and you discount it to push ve to appear less sheepy as you already do. ##vote dirkzor Heading to work, be back before deadline I hope. | ||
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On August 22 2012 04:58 Dirkzor wrote: Yes I thought about that. I actually made for myself but then someone asked about it and I posted it. I can be helpful for townies aswell to get an overview. Either way I don't think 1 votecount list will make the difference if I die or not. On its own? No but it just adds into the list of bad things you have done. You at the time of your vote weren't in a place to die and you stuck around almost till the time the vote ended. You said On August 22 2012 04:41 Dirkzor wrote: So with 1½ hours left we should start to consolidate. Seems to me there are only 2 real targets. Myself and allinson. TBH i don't know what to write. Of course I'll change my vote to allinson to increase my own chance of survival. I'm still nut sure if he is scum or not but he never got on my green list. Any questions for me go ahead and ask. @VE: I can't get you out of my mind (<3). Why would you unvote me only to vote me again after 3 other had voted me. I understand the re-vote since that was after our little conversation but the unvote made no sense. You were the only one voting me at the time you unvoted with little support in the thread for my lynch at the time. You made a long case on Zephirdd but didn't vote him (Much like you accuse me of not voting allinson) and unvote me in the same post. You then re-voted me (with reason) and then you later stated that you would rather lynch zephirdd even though you voted me. Its just... wrong somehow.. Yes being all nice and trying to make only two people to vote for is nice, except given the lack of discussion it lets people sheep like no other. You were practically not going to die and had a stronger read on someone else then who you voted and thus until it came down to just your vote, you should have attempted to either persuade people to vote for your main target or heavily analyze them / your other top reads. Near every action you have taken is really off. I also only think you are still "around" is because you are being heavily pushed at the moment and attempting to appear legit. | ||
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On August 22 2012 06:47 HiroPro wrote: Whoever made Meowth should tell us what that role is. There is no reason for a townie to not have claimed the shot. What would knowing the role do to benefit town at all -_- We already know its a day vig of some kind which is all we need. Lack of claiming said shot is likely not going to happen given that VE didn't die. Someone saying what the full role of meowth is won't really help us. It instead makes us start trying to find a role instead of finding scum. If that was the purpose of your post, perhaps someone will be nice and let you eat a bullet instead. | ||
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On August 22 2012 04:05 Mementoss wrote: Drazerk - commented more in detail before but troll bad town for now Dirkzor - the only thing suspicious about him seems to be his mess up in meta to try and make imallinson look worse than he is. I think this could be an honest mistake however. Most people voting for Dirkzor are people I don't trust, makes me uneasy. imallinson - will probably be where I'm placing my vote. I commented on it a bit before but will re-iterate. His initial posts were made to look like he contributed and actually tried drag day 1 discussion backwards. He did nothing for scum hunting and when criticized on this fact made a half ass case on SnB just to say he did. Spent most of the time defending himself which shittered up the thread and buried useful posts that were scum hunting at the time, it looks really bad in context. Also in the defence of himself he threw the heat onto dirkzor, who was an easy target because he had early heat in this game anyways. To take this further, his scum buddy who he planned this with, BC, immediately made a case onto dirkzor and got the wagon rolling. Look at the people voting for him, can you honestly say any of them look better than neutral to you? In this order: BC, imallinson, VE, mattchew, misder. I would like to hear your take on Dirkzor vs Drazerk vs imallinson additionally. ##Unvote: Mattchew ##Vote: Imallinson Well as you called me scum, and sheeped onto a now confirmed town player as well as lied in the bolded section. Guess what duder, I was putting heat and pressure on both draz + dirk before a case on allinson was EVER MADE. Now obviously thats only a minor lie, but given that I had out right said Dirk Scumclaimed well before that its still a lie. Also given how people voted. Dirk/mementoss/bumatlarge for likely reds. | ||
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On August 22 2012 07:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Nothing like 3rd on the wagon I hope BC...  hahahahahahahahaha | ||
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On August 22 2012 10:55 grush57 wrote: Okay so, I get banned, then People are all up in Drazerk's face because he is telling everybody to kill him and being stupid with that attitude. Still, I think he is town. Then the town switched to Dirkzor, I don't think he is scum either, he is helping out and responding. Hopeless1dr ninja votes, he is scum. People calling out Kurumi for being scummy, I agree. Toad(jk, lol idk) shoots VE, people get on VE's chain for policy lynching. NO ONE IS UP IN JINGLE'S GRILL ABOUT HIM WANTING TO POLICY LYNCH ME:O. Also I think Hiropro? Heist? made a post calling out Jingle which is good cuz he is scum. Then it's like Zephirrid(null on him, he has been getting scummier the longer the game has been going so far) and imallison(who I thought was a noob townie) and dirkzor(I think he is town aswell). End up lynching a townie and thats about where we were at. So my scum list is: JingleHell(SCUMSCUMSCUM) Hopeless1dr(ninja vote, scum) Maybe BioSC(I don't even know why but he is scum) How is dirk helping? I would like a detailed response on that. I will agree that hopeless is likely scum at this point though. | ||
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On August 22 2012 11:39 grush57 wrote: Well I mean he's posting cases and defending himself and contributing. I don't know why he was the closest to being lynched. Did you read the bits of analysis on him? Notice the lack of original content, outright lying on facts, etc.... He is posting but he is primarily parroting others or posting useless blocks of text. Obviously that is my point of view but given the two days you couldn't post I would expect far more indepth information out of you then what you have done so far. I do appreciate you diving back into the game instantly but detailed information is going to be needed or it will be assumed you just don't care about solid contributions to the game. | ||
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[QUOTE]On August 23 2012 06:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: -_- after seeing all those flips I want a new power. Reading thread now.[/QUoOTE] Is it Oracle tier?[/QUOTE] on a scale of 1 - 10 on usefulness where 1 is retarded bad and 10 is insanely godlike, im sitting somewhere between a 1 and 2. Like, in ptp 1 i was a terrible medic role (no control on who I save) and in ptp 2 I had post restrictions to use a watcher role (could only watch a total of like 5 people via role) and was a miller. Each of those powers is miles ahead of my current one -_- | ||
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On August 23 2012 10:15 Mattchew wrote: interesting, why not wiggles or dirk in that list? He excluded scum From the list obviously | ||
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On August 23 2012 10:17 Mattchew wrote: if you are not being sarcastic that is my thought process I still like dirk as red, and wiggles has done absolutely nothing to help town period this game. He however has managed to find time to criticize people and claim they must be red with 0 case. (see bugs' post a few pages ago on wiggles to see what I mean). | ||
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On August 23 2012 10:18 Kurumi wrote: So you are defending all those people? KIta died , chez died , bum died ... Who is left , my dear Cobbler? All of them? no, but clear ignorance of people who should still be in the spotlight is ridiculous. Of that list only wbg to me is a town read and the other three are null's. Misder is likely scum based on similar level to his scum levels but hes also notorious for lurking period. | ||
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On August 23 2012 10:22 Mementoss wrote: But mattchew has done something to help town? :S Not the reason I called your post out. Missing clear scum targets / people guilty of the same behaviour you would be calling those 4 out for is why I mentioned it. On August 23 2012 10:21 HiroPro wrote: You still think Hopeless is scum, BC? Leaning it. He hasn't stepped up and done anything helpful that I know of. | ||
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On August 23 2012 10:23 Mattchew wrote: I found SnB as town, and I am pretty sure VE is town too now. so thats pretty helpful what exactly have you done meme? other than bandwagon a townie lynch? you do realize you just claimed scum here right? | ||
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On August 23 2012 10:31 Mementoss wrote: It's not hard to find SnB as town after he flipped. It's not like he had any pressure on him before he died. VE is null from the Toad shot out of any one you should know that. I've had trouble figuring people out or getting cases together from day 1, but I'd like to think that I have produced helpful discussion from people when we are in the thread at the same time by asking them questions. I don't really think dirkzor is scum, but I wouldn't mind hearing why you think he is? In that same boat, I would like to know why you think he isn't scum to be honest. | ||
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Because he has done nothing useful (so far) to help the town in any way. To come out and say "i found blah as town and I think blah is town" is great. You know who likes finding town? or more specifically, differentiating town from third party or town from mafia? Not fucking townies. Saying your green reads is awesome, but if you don't state your red cases with actual reasons and instead just hop on wagons / spout green reads you are likely not town. | ||
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On August 23 2012 10:41 Kenpachi wrote: i dunno isnt that a glaring scumslip I do believe it is, however lurking the thread then voting without posting at all is also a pretty terrible play. | ||
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On August 23 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote: ... You're aware you're speaking to Kenpachi right? lol, hes not always quite so obvious about it. | ||
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On August 23 2012 13:09 wherebugsgo wrote: cool story scumbro. You can't read. There are lots of good reasons not to lynch dirkzor. First and foremost, there's no opposition to his lynch. However there are plenty of reasons TO lynch you. The best one? You're lazy as hell as scum. This game, you've played as lazy as you were the last time I saw you play scum in a game I hosted. I have actually seen opposition to a dirkzor lynch. Just not the typical people defending him. It is the "we should lynch someone else, lets bury this case, etc..." Seriously unless hes brought up by one of threeish people now, hes ignored. The fact that he can not even post to defend himself and be clear from being lynched and escaping notice given his horrible actions is an indication. Do I think mattchew looks horrible? Yes, however I think wiggles looks horrible to. I honestly think the biggest reason to not lynch dirk is there are a ton of other people looking horrible as well and if wiggles is red he is a far better lynch then someone with less influence. I don't really see any other solid reasons to avoid lynching him however. | ||
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On August 23 2012 13:34 Drazerk wrote: Personally I'd rather kill Wiggles / Mattchew over Dirk but thats because I honestly get no vibes from the case and I hate voting on things I don't care about. Honestly the only vibes I get from mattchew are bad townie at the moment. Could that mean red? yes but i feel its less likely. I am fine with a wiggles or dirk situation with current preference to dirk only given that he has done far more to get on my radar. You at least have a reason to not want to kill dirk though which is more than most have. | ||
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On August 23 2012 14:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote: So, this post stuck out to me, because of the misdirection it's pushing. It's funny, because he says I claim people are red, when all I said is I think that at least one of BC and WBG are red. There wasn't a declaration about which I thought was red, just that I thought there was red between them. However, BC reacts very defensively here. His reasoning for me being a scum candidate is that I'm criticizing people and claiming "they must" be red without a case. But the fun part is I didn't call either him or WBG red directly, I just said one of them were red. So, why the defensiveness and near-OMGUS? If for example, I had said that there was at least one red among all the players still alive, no one would care. It would be fallacious to say that I was saying all of them must be red without a case. So then why the difference when I limit it to a small pool of players? Now the next fun part is that besides saying I'm claiming some people must be red when all I did was say that I thought at least one bandwagon was started by scum (which is a reason, by the way), BC criticizes me for doing so without making a case on either one. He also uses this to support the conclusion that I'm scum. This would be fine coming from another player, but not from BC, or at least not if you've read his filter. Let's take a look, shall we? + Show Spoiler [The Terrible Terrible Contradiction Re…] + On August 20 2012 10:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Explanation came 6 hours later.Whoever said third time is the charm is a horrible liar. Also people stop role speculating. Previous PtP games have seen really amazing ideas thought up and ones that lack any sort of creativity. What people should instead be concentrating is scum and people trying to push scumish ideas. As Kurumi made the statement of role cops being the best form of cop he is obviously scum. Now lets continue finding the rest of his team as it appears they are going to out themselves easily. On August 21 2012 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Explanation came 5 hours later.Man, I think dirk just claimed scum with this post. hurrah On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: No case.Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad. On August 21 2012 05:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: No case.Chezinu has not yet tried to make a new house called the chezinu house, fake claimed a role, or said hes brown. Guy is mafia yo. On August 22 2012 07:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: No case on Bum, and flimsy reasoning on Mementoss.Well as you called me scum, and sheeped onto a now confirmed town player as well as lied in the bolded section. Guess what duder, I was putting heat and pressure on both draz + dirk before a case on allinson was EVER MADE. Now obviously thats only a minor lie, but given that I had out right said Dirk Scumclaimed well before that its still a lie. Also given how people voted. Dirk/mementoss/bumatlarge for likely reds. On August 22 2012 11:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: No case here either.How is dirk helping? I would like a detailed response on that. I will agree that hopeless is likely scum at this point though. On August 23 2012 10:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Reasoning is based on activity...All of them? no, but clear ignorance of people who should still be in the spotlight is ridiculous. Of that list only wbg to me is a town read and the other three are null's. Misder is likely scum based on similar level to his scum levels but hes also notorious for lurking period. On August 23 2012 10:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: you do realize you just claimed scum here right? On August 23 2012 10:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: First time BC has called someone red and then actually made any kind of quick follow up with actual reasoning for it. He was still asked for his reasoning before he gave it though.Because he has done nothing useful (so far) to help the town in any way. To come out and say "i found blah as town and I think blah is town" is great. You know who likes finding town? or more specifically, differentiating town from third party or town from mafia? Not fucking townies. Saying your green reads is awesome, but if you don't state your red cases with actual reasons and instead just hop on wagons / spout green reads you are likely not town. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!!! So all in all, according to BC , we have a 9-person scum team of: Kurumi Drazerk Dirkzor Chezinu Mementoss Bumatlarge Hopeless1der Misder Mattchew Only one of these accusations had any sort of case or reasoning to go along with it when he posted it. Two of them had cases posted many hours after the actual accusation. So, that's either 8 or 6 people he has called scum without any kind of case or reasoning to back it up. But in the post I have quoted up at the top, BC says that one of the reasons I'm looking bad is that I called out "people" without a case. That's hypocrisy and contradiction at it's finest. In addition, the very fact that BC has called out so many people without any reasoning is alarming as well. He likes to call people out as not being useful to town or helping the town at all, which is funny when you look at his own posts. Basically, they consist of three things: -Making accusations with no case/reasoning -Role/setup speculation and general advice -Backing up his accusations only when asked Besides the couple cases he has actually bothered to explain, I wouldn't call his posts very "helpful". If you look through his posts without treating his posting as a whole, you might be tricked into thinking he's helping the town or actively scumhunting, but all he's doing is posting accusations that accomplish nothing and do nothing to help us kill scum. Now, the last thing to note is the general attitude with which BC has been treating his cases, particularly the one on Dirkzor today. He doesn't sound like he cares that much about lynching his target. This is a jarring distinction from the way he addresses the players he's accusing. In several posts, BC has claimed that Dirk has claimed scum, says that he's "clearly" acting anti-town, and makes another post where he just calls him mafia plainly. Basically, he says with complete confidence that Dirkzor is 100% scum. However, there aren't really any posts in his filter where he asks for other people to vote for Dirkzor, or challenges their choice of lynch target. So, he's not actively pushing people to lynch Dirk, which is weird considering his posts say that he knows he's scum. Next, is his change in tone after the Day 1 Dirkzor lynch failed: Now Dirkzor has gone from being 100% scum to being "likely scum". Also, his two posts addressing him today are saying that he's "fine" with a dirk lynch, or that he's a better lynch than mattchew. This is different from saying that he thinks Dirkzor is the best lynch, or the person we should for sure kill today. Notice the tentativeness compared to how he acted on Day 1. It's a complete departure from how he was treating him before, and he doesn't give a reason for such a change in his posts. Indeed, he even continues to press Dirkzor into Night 1. So, why the caution and tentativeness from him now? It's because he's sounding out the lynch. He can't just abandon Dirkzor, because of how hard he pressed him on Day 1. As well, there was an anti-Wiggles sentiment that began during Night 1, and now he's saying he'd like to lynch me possibly. However, he doesn't make a strong push one way or the other. His posts are saying that he could go either way, and that he's OK with either one of us being lynched. It's because he's trying to sound out the way town sentiment is running, and wants to leave himself outs in case he comes under opposition. He's setting himself up to keep tunneling Dirkzor without doing anything to really get him killed, while also keeping open the possibility of switching to me if it turns out that's how people want to run Day 2. Therefore: ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler I've outlined what I think of him and his play above. The guy is scum, and he's who we should be lynching today. He's trying to get by with superficial "contributions", and has been playing in a self-contradictory and hypocritical manner since he's first started posting. We need to kill him today, or else he's going to just float by as people give him a pass for doing a minimal amount of anything. + Show Spoiler [Free Bonus Content] + On August 23 2012 10:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Because he has done nothing useful (so far) to help the town in any way. To come out and say "i found blah as town and I think blah is town" is great. You know who likes finding town? or more specifically, differentiating town from third party or town from mafia? Not fucking townies. Saying your green reads is awesome, but if you don't state your red cases with actual reasons and instead just hop on wagons / spout green reads you are likely not town. On August 23 2012 10:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Besides the fact that finding town helps find scum through the process of elimination and helps give people "cred", these posts by BC are another example of the terrible "contributions" he makes and why I think he's scum. He calls out Mattchew for calling people town. Mattchew says here that he thought S&B was town (who was flipped), and that he finds VE to be town. BC proceeds to flip out at him and call him scum because he lists VE as a green read. Not exactly "spout[ing] green reads", as BC puts it. Funny is that 13 minutes before that BC made a post of his own saying he has a green read on WBG, which is the same level of pointing out greens that Mattchew was guilty of. Also funny, because Mattchew has posted suspicions and reads and BC claims he has done none of that in favour of pointing out tons of greens. As well, there's another condemnation of calling people red without a case. Hilarious stuff.All of them? no, but clear ignorance of people who should still be in the spotlight is ridiculous. Of that list only wbg to me is a town read and the other three are null's. Misder is likely scum based on similar level to his scum levels but hes also notorious for lurking period. Set trap, bait, trap sprung. You caught a wiggles. Now wiggles whats awesome is that I was never sure if you were just being lazy, or just red. Easiest way to do that is to set out some bait to see who jumps on me. Given the death of Chez and Toad already for your team, you knew you'd have to take out one of the more well known players fast or risk being slaughtered. Thankfully I knew how to draw out some scum. You see wiggles, by forcing you to justify your earlier post by giving you the "weaker" target to jump at I knew you'd target me. You know, just like your team opted to try and drop VE day 1 and failed? This time I put myself in the shoes of the person who would be attacked as I like the spotlight. Now to start with your horrific case in which I will refute it, then toss the ball back in your scummy court. You start by saying that you only said "you believe one of my and bugs must be scum" You then say i am acting defensively, although I only barely mention you in passing, while the person who made a giant post to attack your play (which only appeared after you called two people out mind you) was ignored. Considering you so obviously cherry picked the case you would find easier to make it is obvious you would ignore the person who was obviously more "defensive". Anyone who has played with me before will recognize based on largess of posts and tone of posts on if im on the offensive or defensive. Nice try lying though. As for my reason on why I believe you are scum? I told people to look at bugs' post that he had already made on you. As you ignored that bit I will toss it in here for all to read. On August 23 2012 06:02 wherebugsgo wrote: I agree with most of this. Based on how the wagons went I don't think Dirkzor is scum. I unfortunately was not available to reverse-snowball the allinson lynch. From the looks of it I should've known he was town when so many people jumped on at once. I do disagree, however, with your assumption that one of the wagons was started by scum. #1, I'm town and that leaves BC (and I don't think he is scum ATM either). The fact that you casually push this is really disconcerting, though. You did nothing to stop either wagon and now you're seemingly trying to push blame and culpability based on weak and faulty assumptions onto myself + BC. If you legitimately thought one of us was scum then I'd expect you to actually come forth with reasons but you have simply seeded doubt. ___________________________________ I'm okay with Mattchew dying as he seems particularly lazy this game. From what I recall he doesn't like playing scum (and this was something he stressed in my games) so I think the case on him does have merit from a meta standpoint. I'm unsure what to think of Wiggles based on his last post since he seems to be making summaries that make sense, but making accusations that don't. If I die he should be watched carefully. Also if I die, newer players take note: Toad, BC, VE, bum, Kita, and Zephirdd are all also good targets to watch for in coming days as they are all capable as scum and are all harder to pin early. I would argue that if any of them seem "off their game" then they're probably scum. In particular I would rate Kita as the best scumhunter in this game, so if he's alive and somehow not dangerous to scum then he should be lynched immediately. So far he's done very little so it is certainly possible we may be going in thatdirection. Now his points on you are exactly why I believe you are scum. You see, you and I were on a mafia team once where you and I did exactly what bugs outlined in that post. Exactly to a fucking tee. You know you are caught, and you know I have already bagged another of your team and now you are running scared. Next we have you attempting to throw mud at me for wait, what? Day 1 early game posts? You know, when people were trolling and being faggots? Anyone reading would know those are my early reads based on how people are playing. If they had been solid reads backed up by more than a gut feeling you would have seen me build cases and push their lynch as I did dirkzor. You did notice I spent the majority of the day pushing one target right? Or are you opting to try and cover the fact that I have forced people into posting, pushed my best read, and even *gasp* put pressure on people for bad play. Anyone is free to look through my filter, then they can open and compare to yours. you have 13 posts as I am writing this (ignored your /in post) I have 41. I pushed my best read all day 1, I have called people out for being red. Yes I have called out many people based on random gut feelings or horrific play done by said player. Given that one of those gut reads was accurate and so far only 1 confirmed wrong I am doing fairly well. Who do you think is red wiggles? Me? Who else, lets see in all those 13 posts you You accuse myself and VE. In two game days, and all the content posted and given deaths of players and flips You have found two suspects. Yet you spend more time early on trying to link me to players like toad, make mention that you dislike my posting but rather than attempting to do anything about it you swap over to VE saying that you won't lynch grush until he answers your questions to verify his alignment basically. Yet hes back, hes been back for awhile. You know what you haven't done? What you said you were going to do. you also said this as your main argument to lynch VE Day 1 On August 21 2012 16:47 Mr. Wiggles wrote: The problem with this is that it isn't about finding scum. As a townie, you're supposed to look at all available information and decide who is most likely to be scum. You don't say, "I don't like this guy, so I'm voting him and it's up to you to convince me to kill scum instead of him". You're taking any responsibility for having to do anything on Day 1 away from yourself and putting it onto other players. I'm surprised all the people voting for All-In Tim for deferring his opinion to the judgement of others aren't on you for the same thing. ##Vote: VE Note the bolded Parts Then go back and look at the section of bugs post above that I bolded. You directly are calling out two players for two bandwagons forming (no shit typically 1-2 people start analysis on someone that gets a vote rolling) However you specify the no strong leaders emerged while you yourself have done nothing til this point to help direct the town in any way. Thus you are putting onus on myself and bugs as you state one of us must be scum while leaving out the fact that you did absolutely nothing to stop the days actions. If you didn't agree or believed this while it was going on you as town would have put a stop to it rather than "summarizing the day" You also did exactly what you called VE out for as your primary reason to vote for him. Cute that you like inconsistencies. You claim that I am pushing misdirection off one post when you made one yourself doing the same (in regards to myself and bugs) you then do the exact same thing that you called out and voted to lynch someone for yet its ok for you to be hypocritical. Anyone can compare our filters. It is fairly obvious that I am around and as things happen I post on them. Be it lengthy or not is a moot point. Spotting someones scum tells/bad plays and calling them out don't require large post by post analysis, nor do they need indepth behavioural analysis when all you do is put heat on someone for said behaviour. Given that you are misrepresenting my posts, and have waited in the shadows to cherry pick while misrepresenting my posts shows how desperate your team is at this moment. Regardless you have outed yourself as scum and will die for it either by lynch or bullet. Its now merely up to the town. Also I would like to draw everyones attention to how he analyzed me. He took an insane care to talk about my case on dirkzor as minutely as possible. Keeping in mind I have spent more time talking about that lynch of all my reads than any of the others (thus my most comfortable read). Yet he ignores my longer posts and instead concentrates on the posts that are designed to initiate dialogue or minor pressure people. Why would someone who is so sure he is correct on his read not attempt to discredit my dirk case or find flaws in those posts as to why I am red? Simple. If he was town doing a post by post method he would opt to find the faulty logic or the like from where I had most invested myself rather than random small posts. As such he is banking on people not actually re reading day 1, or even both our filters to figure out how full of shit he is. Everyone should at this point in time be lynching dirkzor or mrwiggles Both will bleed red. | ||
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Drazerk if you read his filter was insanely obvious. Misder was more or less obvious and zeph outright claimed targeting a player who claimed to be hit -_- Untop of that he did nothing to ever help the town, claims medic and bulletproof and no one was dying fairly frequently. I will say wellplayed draz and zeph as I have no idea how you pulled this off and given the horrific start you guys had after N1 no one in the obs qt thought you'd take it but you guys did. | ||
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