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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 24 2012 18:25 GMT
#1177
Voting for hopeless, ill try to find some wifi before the deadline.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 24 2012 21:00 GMT
#1264
What is happening no time to tead
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 24 2012 21:08 GMT
#1270
K i skimmed thread. I never got hit.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 25 2012 01:44 GMT
#1307
Hi wiggles you still havent answered my question


On August 24 2012 10:29 HiroPro wrote:
Wiggles, why did you leave your vote on VE even after the shot and when it was clear that he wasn't up for lynch?

HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 25 2012 22:54 GMT
#1341
k we kill wiggles. he's not playing this game.

##Vote Mr. Wiggles
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 26 2012 01:31 GMT
#1345
On August 26 2012 08:41 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 07:54 HiroPro wrote:
k we kill wiggles. he's not playing this game.

##Vote Mr. Wiggles


Your pretty useless this game, do you usually play like this I don't remember.


lol i don't think we've played together before? but you can always look at my games in my profile lol
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 26 2012 03:40 GMT
#1351
Yo mementoss if you think wiggles is town, use his posting to say why, not the BC hit/connection stuff.

He left his vote uselessly on VE even though VE had like no chance of being lynched. He never even mentioned what he thought of dirk or allin. He considered meowth guaranteed scum but he still just left his vote on VE. He won't answer my question on why he would do that.

He has basically stopped posting altogether now.

That's scum play, especially for someone of his caliber.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 26 2012 03:57 GMT
#1353
On August 26 2012 12:47 Mementoss wrote:
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On August 26 2012 12:40 HiroPro wrote:
Yo mementoss if you think wiggles is town, use his posting to say why, not the BC hit/connection stuff.

He left his vote uselessly on VE even though VE had like no chance of being lynched. He never even mentioned what he thought of dirk or allin. He considered meowth guaranteed scum but he still just left his vote on VE. He won't answer my question on why he would do that.

He has basically stopped posting altogether now.

That's scum play, especially for someone of his caliber.


I never said I thought he was town I was questioning grush's reasoning for voting him


ok have fun lol
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 26 2012 22:31 GMT
#1369
hm, wiggles sounds legitimately annoyed. Can't decide whether to kill biosc or misder, drrrr.

##Unvote
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 27 2012 00:03 GMT
#1373
On August 27 2012 07:34 Mementoss wrote:
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On August 27 2012 07:31 HiroPro wrote:
hm, wiggles sounds legitimately annoyed. Can't decide whether to kill biosc or misder, drrrr.

##Unvote


What are your thoughts on VE /dirkzor


I haven't really read much since Toad died, so fresh look and all lol.

Dirkzor I think is town. His early play I think was mostly just because of how much pressure he was under from BC and I think he's actually trying to contribute.

I think VE is scum now for a couple of reasons.

First, the thing with grush still strikes me as really uncharacteristic of town VE. VE is someone who throws out policy lynches as town, but it's almost always "if we have no strong scum reads, we should lynch a lurker". For him to push a policy lynch on a person for their play in other games is just mind-boggling. VE has always emphasized that there is no such thing as an "useless townie" because they're still a member of town to count against the mafia wincon, yet now his views have suddenly flipped. If you look at the LVI postgame (the last game with VE and grush in it), there's nothing to suggest that VE was unduly mad. Yes, I know he made some comment pregame about how grush would likely just lurk and troll, but at least before VE pushed the policy lynch, grush had seemed ok in activity and was at least responding to others.

Next looking at the whole Wiggles-BC feud: Beforehand VE had said that he thought Wiggles was scum. But then when the cases come out, literally the only thing VE has to say about those two cases is a mild dislike of one of BC's points. Otherwise he just says afterward " BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched" and "Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again.". That doesn't look like VE analyzing someone's play and reaching a conclusion based on that. It looks like him making a preconceived judgement and fitting what happens around it.

On August 23 2012 17:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why does BC keep referencing Bugs' post as if Bugs is accusing Wiggles? He's said it twice I think now, and I don't think Bugs was accusing Wiggles at all.


On August 23 2012 18:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
But it won't be - Bugs is alive to say "no guy, I think Wiggles is town (as my post indicates), LTR"

That's my point - it won't be Bugs' fault at all.


On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.

Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...

I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.

##Vote: Wiggles


On August 24 2012 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On August 24 2012 02:16 Kurumi wrote:
On August 24 2012 02:11 grush57 wrote:
On August 24 2012 02:09 Kurumi wrote:
On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.

Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...

I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.

##Vote: Wiggles

Nah, Wiggles attacking bc is a null tell in my opinion. Look at the timing of this hit, if they wanted to kill bc they would do it faster, it smells like a frame to me.

Yeah I considered that aswell, but wiggles has been scummy HMMMMMMMMMMMM idk man

also biosc where u been at man!

Wiggles scummy ? He seems the only person devoting his time to this game. Some guys dont have enough time , yadda yadda. Although his theory on the lynch sounds wrong... Well I think Dirk is scum based on one post... I did not vote him because of my doubts (his points about viscera were good) it is hard to reread the thread on the phone, eh.


Is this a joke? First of all, Wiggles posted like ONE time D1, and that was to vote me and DISAPPEAR. He had NO inclination to affect the lynch yesterday and, as Bugs and Wiggles will tell you, scum seemed to be perfectly content with the way the wagons were going too.

Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again.

In what way is Wiggles "devoting his time to this game"?

This is strikingly similar to his play in LV - vote, disappear, return to build a case, vote, disappear. I'm voting Mr.Wiggles because I think he's scum. I hope you guys will join me.


Then, the amount of times VE promises thoughts and reads but then when he comes back has pretty much nothing useful to say.

I know someone is going to bring up the shot done by Toad, but frankly I think it could just be separation. Toad knew it was only 0.5 KP and not going to pose a threat to VE actually dying.

Maybe I'm being an idiot right now in ignoring BC lol, but it's not like I've been doing anything this game for some time now.

##Vote VisceraEyes
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 27 2012 15:35 GMT
#1384
On August 28 2012 00:15 Zephirdd wrote:
I don't get where the whole misder thing came from. I mean, what's the difference between Misder, BioSC, grush...?

I will not believe a scum team would go as far as hitting an ally for 0.5kp, leaving him vulnerable, just to bus him. I don't believe VE is scum.

How is dirkzor still alive?


Really man really... Remember LI? This isn't even a case where one of them had to die to achieve separation
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 27 2012 18:46 GMT
#1400
austin, what do you think of VE?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 27 2012 18:58 GMT
#1402
wiggles - ken, grush, austin

misder - draz, jingle, kurumi

dirk - Zeph, Matt

ve - hiro, dirk
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 27 2012 19:32 GMT
#1418
On August 28 2012 04:27 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 03:46 HiroPro wrote:
austin, what do you think of VE?

I caught the first couple days secondhand, so some of the timing may be missing, but:

  • I got a townie feel from the start of his D1 play. Seems to be playing the game, responding to votes on him, making some dumb comments, asking some good questions. The grush stuff was meh, but not necessarily scummy meh.
  • His case on zephirdd doesn't super-convince me, but doesn't feel forced.
  • Concerning his claim of taking a shot, there was initially some thought that him saying it wasn't effective helped us deduce his type. I don't think it does...yet. None of the flips have included effectiveness modifiers, so perhaps we don't get to see them? If anyone HAS seen effectiveness attached to KP, they should speak up, because it might point to VE's type.
  • The dropoff in activity concerns me, especially because he was active early. Prolonged swings in activity (not explainable by work/night out/etc.) do worry me.

I'm still much more convinced about Wiggles atm. I remember almost being convinced by Wiggles's defense in LV, and so haven't been fully responding to him in this game. I did go back and look at some past games, draw some conclusions, but right now I think there's enough to lynch him without having to derail the thread going back and forth with more in-depth analysis than is out there. I think BC's case was alright, I know BC was town, I am trusting that BC is a good townie, and I have my own suspicions.

If Wiggles flips red, then VE looks a little more interesting to me. Could see D1 being Toad/Wiggles distancing themselves from VE (Toad and VE at odds, Wiggles votes VE and left his vote on VE). Toad dying N1 unexpectedly (if we assume pikachu kp + redidrection from supersonic) sort of lessens the value of that plan. The dropoff in activity COULD be because they were active to set up that distancing, then had the scheme ruined with Toad's death and so no longer needed to be active in order to plant that idea in people's heads.

So right now, I'm not worried. If Wiggles flips red, I'll be a little more worried, but a Toad/VE/Chez/Wiggles scumteam seems a little stacked. That's another reason I'm not liking VE for scum, because it certainly seems like SOMEONE out of heist/misder/BioSC/hiropro (yes, you're included there for me) should be scummy, and then that'd most likely be the full team (although there could still be more third parties).


what is this crap. are you seriously fucking trying to figure out a scum team based on balance.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 27 2012 19:53 GMT
#1426
someone shoot biosc for the love of god. or we can still lynch him too be back in half an hour

not doing anything, constantly apologizing for his play. and this:

On August 24 2012 09:02 BioSC wrote:

With the flip of BC, I feel like it was 2 townies going at each other, with a mafia kp in there to try and get a mislynch. So I can't really read one way or the other on Mr. Wiggles right now based just upon that.



On August 28 2012 04:10 BioSC wrote:

Tell you what. I'm going to go sheep the veteran flipped townie. My reads are shit and I know it.

##Vote Wiggles


HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 27 2012 20:52 GMT
#1456
Drazerk is voting for Misder right?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 27 2012 20:55 GMT
#1467
On August 28 2012 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
I killed BC. Would scum tell you that?


no sense with what you were saying at the time. die.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 27 2012 21:02 GMT
#1493
oh what the fuck
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 28 2012 00:04 GMT
#1513
hey kurumi, you have a reason for thinking zeph is town right?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 28 2012 04:44 GMT
#1516
So a shot on misder would be awesome. Yes?
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