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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 24 2012 17:11 GMT
#1137
There's still 4 hours to lynch. I'm sorry I didn't get my thoughts across before. However, this is being focused at the timing and my supposed scumminess instead of the content. We don't know either mine or Mattchew's alignment. Is my defense of Mattchew at all credible?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 24 2012 17:15 GMT
#1139
Please put together an actual case if you want people to vote me. So we can look at it after I flip blue and decide whether or not to kick you in the face on my behalf.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 24 2012 17:30 GMT
#1146
Thanks for the most convoluted connection theory based whack of retardation I've read in a while. I mean really, dafuq?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 24 2012 17:30 GMT
#1148
EBWOP: That was of course directed @ Jingle

and Oh, Hai Austin.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 24 2012 17:33 GMT
#1150
Matt, my post "reeks of told you so shit" because if you flip blue..well I told you(or rather them) so. But no one wants to go into the case today to tell me why I'm wrong about you. They'd rather write it off as I'm grasping for town-cred and call me scum.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 24 2012 17:39 GMT
#1153
How does saving Matt really get me towncred tomorrow? He lives, we're both scum. He dies, I'm scummy for trying and failing to save him.
Be back in an hour or so. Please actually read through the defense I posted and tell me why its insufficient.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 24 2012 18:47 GMT
#1180
Wow that's shitty. I make a great read and Mattchew turns around and says I have to be scum for it.

The reason I didn't try to defend Mattchew when I voted was I hadn't read back into his claim at that point. I did into that this morning, and felt that it was way too easy to lynch him. There was no discussion, everyone was just blithely chiming in and adding their vote to his wagon.

Where is wiggles btw?

On August 24 2012 11:37 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Is kill flavour an indicator of how someone died, or is it purely flavour?

His most recent post..No meaningful input from him since BC died really.

On August 24 2012 10:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 10:12 Mattchew wrote:
oh and that second quote was written during day 2. cause i wanted to finish my shooting of you night 2, but now i realize that may not work like that

I know it was from Day 2. I just assumed you wouldn't flip-flop from wanting to kill Dirk to wanting to kill me to wanting to kill Dirk that fast, so it was representative of wanting to kill Dirk more than me.

I'm still deciding who I want to lynch now.

What's going on wiggles?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 24 2012 18:49 GMT
#1181
I'll post a last will before I die I guess. Fucking silly wagon. Absolutely retarded. There is no case on me. This is entirely based on the timing of my defense. How was there enough time to get ME lynched but not get people off of Mattchew?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 24 2012 19:01 GMT
#1183
I'm arguing into a brick wall here. I wanted to prevent Mattchew from being lynched because I think he is town. I posted with 4.5 hours to deadline hoping to get some discussion and find out why it was so easy to push his lynch. Since then, all I've heard is how I'm positioning myself for towncred and I have to be scum for it.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 24 2012 19:14 GMT
#1192
On August 25 2012 04:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Do you actually believe your defense though Hopeless?

It's basically:

-Look at how he (didn't) breadcrumb his shot!
-I bet he misunderstood the mechanics! (something you can't know)
-His claim that does nothing to reveal his alignment is justified!
-BC said he was town! Sheep BC!

It was never a particularly good defense to begin with =/

Yes I actually believe my defense, or I wouldn't have posted it. I'd have ended up voting Mattchew.

- His shot wasn't explicitly breadcrumbed, but his motive and intentions behind his claim (shoot you, lynch dirk, shoot you again) are very clearly in his filter.
- No, I can't know he misunderstood, but it lends further credence to the idea that he thought he had to shoot you twice.
- No claim can 'reveal' alignment. His posts and his play make sense to me based on the ability he's described in his claim.
- Part of Mementoss' case was based on BC finding a scumslip. Meme tried to sheep BC one way, I read into BC's filter and he went on to say that he thought Matt was bad town, despite the fact that he'd just identified a scumslip.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 24 2012 19:15 GMT
#1194
Hey Jingle, I'm bussing my scummate:

##Unvote: Mr.Wiggles
##Vote: Misder
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 24 2012 19:23 GMT
#1200
Is anyone going to show me where my posting pushes a scum agenda so we have someone to go after tomorrow?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 24 2012 19:27 GMT
#1204
Because they think I'm trying to get towncred by defending a mislynch
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 24 2012 19:43 GMT
#1221
No Kurumi I'm Scum, remember? Look at me look at me !!
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 24 2012 20:28 GMT
#1237
Screw the last minute will, I'll do this now:


I am Hitmonlee and I hit HiroPro with Quick Blitz Night 1. It should have dealt 0.5kp. I did not claim because he did not die, nor did he try to identify his assailant. I have no confimation of whether or not he took damage. My reasoning was that he was involved in the imallinson wagon but lurked the rest of the time and wasn't an active part of discussions. It was pretty much guaranteed that someone on that wagon was scum, and really, I just took a swing. I didn't breadcrumb my hit.

I think Mattchew is town, as I've already pointed out.

My read on wiggles is furthered by his inactivity since BC died. He said he'd look into who he wants to lynch, but didn't make a call there until significantly later than would have been useful. He disappeared from the thread and no one wanted to discuss him. He comes back in time to seal my fate and WIFOM his vote on me. Please look into him if/when I die.

Misder's return post is very scummy. See mementoss' filter for why. He also brought up shit about Jingle at the last minute when there is almost no chance of getting anyone to swap votes onto him. Look how much flak I took when I was trying to defend Matt. He's just flailing and being disruptive.

As random speculation, I think Jingle is town and Mementoss is scum. Gut feelings at this point. There seemed to have been very lackluster input from the vets today. Don't really know what to make of it.

Please grill me for whatever questions you have. I'll do my best in the next half hour.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 24 2012 20:31 GMT
#1241
Does it really matter if someone can confirm the role? It doesn't help my alignment does it?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 24 2012 20:34 GMT
#1243
Further to my claim I hit Hiro, I didn't crumb ANYTHING, so...yeah, don't bother looking. Literally the first time he's in my filter is my claim.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 24 2012 20:48 GMT
#1250
First off, that was a gut feeling, I don't have a strong read. He's been too willing to jump ship on his own reads and doesn't follow up. He was so upset Day 1 by my ninja vote, but it's not a good reason to vote me now.

On August 25 2012 05:20 Mementoss wrote:
I've decided to vote hopeless because the case around hopeless seems to be based on scum motivation and pushing scum adgenda, while the case I and others have put forth about misder seems to be about his lack of posting/ bad luck timing of post/ no opinion at all. I think more scum are caught when their motivations are found and more bad townies are found through nitpicking of posts.


I don't like this post one bit. Its too wishywashy in the reasoning. Misder was poorly timed, but my "last-minute" defense was scummy. No one has even seen fit to bring back up my ninja vote, and that was actually something scummy.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 24 2012 20:50 GMT
#1253
On August 25 2012 05:48 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 05:44 Mattchew wrote:
hopeless did never actually think i was scum...

and he had this post about me awhile before his really long one
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 24 2012 11:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
Hurray for claiming!

I think Mattchew is stupid for not understanding the KP mechanics, but ultimately town.
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 13:30 Mattchew wrote:
in a weird twist, i would only rather lynch wiggles if it is either me or him.

i would much much rather lynch dirk

There's the crumb for his shot, or as close as I could find.

I'm waiting on dirk to tell me why he thinks I'm scum
I think wiggles is my lynch of choice for today, as he has got off entirely too easy following the hit on BC. He got some breathing room and he comes back with a strong defensive post but doesn't know who to vote yet, or who he suspects. He also won't go after bugs anymore even though the Day1 wagons were supposedly started by scum.

##Vote:Mr.Wiggles



Why didn't he defend you then, rather than waiting hours later, when the deadline had almost come, nothing in his defense had changed in between those two times


I hadn't pieced together the claims and how that related back to Mattchew's filter at that time. I found the crumb and wrote him off as I'll look at it later. Then I looked at it later, after he was under severe suspicion and thought it was a bad lynch and went about defending him because no one else wanted to.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 24 2012 20:51 GMT
#1256
On August 25 2012 05:49 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 05:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
First off, that was a gut feeling, I don't have a strong read. He's been too willing to jump ship on his own reads and doesn't follow up. He was so upset Day 1 by my ninja vote, but it's not a good reason to vote me now.

On August 25 2012 05:20 Mementoss wrote:
I've decided to vote hopeless because the case around hopeless seems to be based on scum motivation and pushing scum adgenda, while the case I and others have put forth about misder seems to be about his lack of posting/ bad luck timing of post/ no opinion at all. I think more scum are caught when their motivations are found and more bad townies are found through nitpicking of posts.


I don't like this post one bit. Its too wishywashy in the reasoning. Misder was poorly timed, but my "last-minute" defense was scummy. No one has even seen fit to bring back up my ninja vote, and that was actually something scummy.


I brought it up twice in day 1, and it got buried at the speed of light both times. Until you specifically talked about it in a later post.

You brought it up when no one wanted to look at me. Now that I'm about to die, wouldn't it have been a great time to say LOOK I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!
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