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marvellosity
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On August 09 2012 02:08 slOosh wrote: Are you referring to Forumite's boldness at bringing back a potentially attention grabbing issue? yeah - why would he bring it up with me again? It just goes to highlight the whole thing. What do you think? | ||
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On August 09 2012 02:10 Custos Luna wrote: That's a rather ignorant blanket statement. You have clearly not been utterly destroyed by some of the scum teams on this forum. Also, hindsight is 20/20. It's easy to look back and pluck examples like that, but there are just as many, if not more, examples of townies being bad and throwing votes around. Custos - you're missing what I was saying. I'm not saying all scum are bad. Kei made the point that he didn't think scum would be bad so early. I was providing counterexamples. | ||
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marvellosity
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On August 09 2012 02:42 Keirathi wrote: @Marv: oh yea, I remember this game. I missed the first day or two of it, but read the later days. So point taken, scum can play really..."badly" on day1. How often does it happen though? I can link you to a lot more examples where the person with the most Scummy Marks on day1 was actually a townie. This is part of why I always hate about the day1 lynch. Do I just vote the person who has the most scummy points? Or do I WIFOM around it because playing badly as scum just doesn't make sense most of the time? yeah, I get what you're saying. What I'm getting at is that you should try not to WIFOM yourself out of lynches. The fact is that town and scum can play badly or well day 1 or otherwise. So all other things being equal, the guy who plays like scum has a decent chance of flipping scum. That very same game (Normal 2), I WIFOMed myself out of yet another scum lynch day 2 with Zentor, because I simply could not believe scum would play so scummily and pick a fight with me... but again, it was in fact the case. If you're not gonna lynch someone for playing scummily day 1, what are you going to lynch for? | ||
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marvellosity
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On August 09 2012 04:54 Keirathi wrote: @ShiaoPi: And you. You obs'd that game. You should know that his posting style fits with his general playstyle, so using that as a basis to vote him is silly. Do you think the content is different? Do you just want him to change his playstyle? Or are you a scum and know that he was almost an easy mislynch because of his verbosity in XXII and you think you can argue good enough to get it this time? you pick many holes but have yet to take a proper stance care to do so? | ||
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marvellosity
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Custos is actually getting involved in town affairs ##Vote: prplhz prplhz very much is not. I'm going to look more into the Forumite situation. Need to mull over what slOosh said to me and also see if I can make anything out of what seems to be a lot of 'meh' from people about it. | ||
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marvellosity
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On August 09 2012 05:27 Forumite wrote: I don't care, he must be able to make it clear to us what his reads are. It could just as well be him posting in hexadecimal code, or with posts of exactly two sentences that always rhyme. Too much fluff makes it hard to understand what he means, that's not transparency. Note: risk.nuke is lurking you ask him to make his scumreads clear yet with ShiaoPi you yourself were nowhere near In all seriousness, can you answer the point raised by scib/me about voting to pressure VS more likely to scumslip not under pressure? | ||
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marvellosity
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On August 09 2012 05:37 Keirathi wrote: On Mord? Not particularly, no. His posts are extremely verbose, but so were his posts in XXII. 100% Null tell The whole policy vs heuristics thing was a misunderstanding that I believe you cleared up. They just aren't the same thing. Nothing he has done so far jumps out at me as particularly scummy. Both of those things are very similar to townie Mord in XXII, which Shiao obs'd, which was why I questioned him. I find that much more scummy than anything Mord has done to this point. No, I meant anyone/anything. Who is your strongest read and why? | ||
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marvellosity
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 your objection was better than mine. fuuuumine was valid but yours especially so | ||
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marvellosity
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can't tell if mordanis is scum or just made a really atrocious case. as you're here, what did you make of mordanis' case on ShiaoPi, prplhz? | ||
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marvellosity
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Most likely to be scum? ick. to be continued. For when you return - please talk about Mordanis' case on shiaopi. | ||
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marvellosity
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On August 09 2012 16:59 Mordanis wrote: [/spoiler] Long story short, its either the worst "scum-tell" in history or a pressure vote. First off, lurking/inactivity is a really bad scum-tell. One prominent example comes to mind+ Show Spoiler +##Vote: Custos Luna Mufaa/Skware in NMM 14, where one player was replaced because he didn't post at all in a cycle or two, and his replacement posted a total of like 4 times in 4 cycles, and 3 of them were in the first cycle he replaced into. He literally didn't post for at least 2 cycles and missed at least 2 votes, and he was town. this is so frighteningly bad I can't believe it. carry on mordanis. | ||
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On August 09 2012 15:47 sciberbia wrote: @DYH I don't really see Forumite as trying to push a scum agenda. I just see him trying to fake being a townie (aka survive), but not doing a good enough of a job. That's the problem, I don't see why if he was trying to fake a townie he'd have thrown out that pointless read so early. It doesn't add up. I'm happy with my vote on prplhz. I'm perplexed by Mordanis's cases so far (on me or otherwise), and sorry bro, I don't know your posting well enough to understand if it's scum motivation or if they're just awful and full of contradictions. Kinda a bit suspicious of HiroPro at the moment for content and very suspicious of Keirathi. He's made one post with his opinions on lynch candidates, and apart from that his entire filter is jabs, picking, poking, criticising. | ||
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marvellosity
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could someone rustle up a votecount? gonna check in on phone en route | ||
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marvellosity
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As for Mordanis. The meta read I get off him at the moment is town because of the fact he made a case on me. The game I remember him winning as scum he basically blended into the woodwork. Taking me on doesn't seem like the kind of risk or play he'd make as scum I don't think. | ||
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marvellosity
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1) if I had wanted to be less wishy-washy about Foru I could easily have stuck my neck out, called him scum, and not got in trouble with it. The fact that my gut instinct on Foru was town while I believed the case was good was where the indecision came from. 2) Someone can be bad and town. What of it? 3) My case on CL was similar to my case on s0lstice in Not Themed where I backed down from it after he started contributing. There's no point in it if CL thinks it's just light pressure (this is where foru and I differ on what 'pressure' is...) Basically you're saying I've been wishy washy in a situation as scum I could easily have come down firmly, and you're saying I'm calling Mordanis bad for being bad. That's not a case, that's you not liking my play. | ||
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On August 10 2012 13:35 slOosh wrote: There is also the issue with the way he pressures: This is the exact same reason that marv first votes for CL!!! also this is a complete misrepresentation of what occurred in thread. I was calling Mordanis bad for saying that looking for players who don't care about town doesn't make sense. So of course it's the same fucking reason I voted for CL... Why did you choose to edit out the formatting from my post that made it clear that it was not I, myself, talking in the first quote there? | ||
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