Dwarf Fortress Mini Mafia - Page 2

Forumite

Sweden3280 Posts

August 08 2012 15:14 GMT

#211

Clarification about my opinion of Mordanis
Big posts but very few, talking about me, possible VT-claim and policy, with a lot of fluff. Overall lots of text but next to no content, which looks bad. His post about "funnily enough" asking CL feels off somehow. Mordanis needs to shape up, or at least post more.

I'm anxiosly awaiting the time when CL gets back.

Forumite

Sweden3280 Posts

August 08 2012 18:57 GMT

#246

On August 09 2012 00:37 HiroPro wrote:

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mm, you're misunderstanding me. I wasn't agreeing with the case - there's no contradiction there (setup and policy aren't the same thing). What I was more interested in was that two of Forumite's main points were that ShiaoPi wasn't sharing his own thoughts and was trying to "shut down discussion". However, right after Forumite made his inital accusation, Shiao was willing to discuss the setup, which doesn't really fit with his points. I wanted to know whether that changed his read.

I was ninja'd, I only read his first post before replying. Yes, his later posts did make me undure about my initial read, but I didn't want to retreat immediately.

@scrib
Is there anything specific you want answered by me? I hear people saying that I haven't responded to your case, but I thought I had done that allready, although while replying to others.

@CL
Any other suspicions other than mord?

With how the game looks right now, I want to lynch prplhz or mord. Prplhz doesn't play anything like I'm used to seing him play (as town), and mord is lurking too much for his few big but empty posts.

Forumite

Sweden3280 Posts

August 08 2012 19:34 GMT

#249

@mordanis
You still fill your posts with fluff. It makes you look bad and makes it harder to understand what you mean. I don't want you to defend yourself about this, it's done, but if your scumhunting looks like the last post then I'm going to vote to have you lynched.

Forumite

Sweden3280 Posts

August 08 2012 20:27 GMT

#257

On August 09 2012 04:45 Keirathi wrote:

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Not that I disagree with you that his posts have fluff, but take a look at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=353315&user=137393

This is just his posting style. He always used a lot of words to get his point across in that game. I don't necessarily condone the practice, because his posts were generally hard to read, but to blindly condemn him for it is just as bad. All it takes is a little research to see that this isn't some new scheme he's using to try to pull the rug over our eyes.

I don't care, he must be able to make it clear to us what his reads are. It could just as well be him posting in hexadecimal code, or with posts of exactly two sentences that always rhyme. Too much fluff makes it hard to understand what he means, that's not transparency.

Note:
risk.nuke is lurking

Forumite

Sweden3280 Posts

August 08 2012 21:25 GMT

#270

On August 09 2012 05:23 sciberbia wrote:
@Forumite
I know you asked me a question, but I don't have time to address it right now.

I asked you if you had any pressing questions for me about your case on me, but I assume you don´t.

On August 09 2012 05:30 marvellosity wrote:

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you ask him to make his scumreads clear
yet with ShiaoPi you yourself were nowhere near

In all seriousness, can you answer the point raised by scib/me about voting to pressure VS more likely to scumslip not under pressure?

Are you talking about how I didn´t follow up my initial accusation of scum with real pressure? I accused him of being scum based in the first post. Since then I realised that my initial my read was unsure and my case weak. Once I had called ShiaoPi scum on weak grounds it was a lose-lose situation. I could drop it and look wishy-washy, or keep it up and look like I was secretive with important information. I opted for the second one, because then at least scum would have to keep guessing, and I might keep a bit of pressure on them. That´s why I didn´t like that you asked me to reveal or shut up, and why I questioned you about it earlier today. It made me (that post was a big part of the reason I dropped the "case") abandon my plan and show that I really had nothing on ShiaoPi.

On August 09 2012 05:38 Mordanis wrote:
@ Forumite, I hope this is clear enough for you:
##FoS ShiaoPi

Quite clear, at least that part. Are you confident enough in your read to put down your vote too?

Forumite

Sweden3280 Posts

August 08 2012 21:38 GMT

#272

On August 09 2012 06:19 prplhz wrote:
Hey guys

Forumite is the scummiest in the thread right now. There was only one right answer to my question about what his ShiaoPi accusations were about and that was "I was just trying to create discussion", but instead Forumite actually says that he was testing if his scumsenses were working after a break. This makes absolutely no sense because Forumite did not throw any sort of accusation together. This seems like scum making something up under light pressure and it just collapses under him, he is trying to make it seem like what he did was absolutely townie and only townie instead of just telling the truth, only scum are that afraid of appearing slightly non-townie that they make up an excuse like that.

I don't like most of the votes on me, it seems like they're just picking an easy target in a lurkish person which is silly (at least so early on in the day).

##Vote Forumite

prplhz, you are back!

You are correct, the only good answer is "create discussion", and I knew that allready, but that wasn´t what happened. I thought I was on to something, I was wrong, and that mistake has been one of the most important topics of D1. I did create discussion in the end, but it wasn´t my intention. My intention was to find scum and pressure him, but it backfired, tough but true.

Forumite

Sweden3280 Posts

August 08 2012 22:34 GMT

#276

On August 09 2012 06:42 sciberbia wrote:
@Forumite
I don't think that is what marv was asking about.

Can you explain why you didn't simply explain your (supposedly legitimate) read on shiaopi in your first couple posts where you called him scum?

Please clearly explain
1) Why you thought it was a good idea to announce your read
2) Why you thought it was a good idea to not explain your read

1) I thought it was a good idea to call him out, to pressure him for a bit.
2) I thought leaving him to wonder what he had done wrong for a while was better, that might also give me a few more posts to build a case on, making it stronger once finally revealed. I didn´t see a need to reveal everything right away, so I didn´t.

On August 09 2012 06:46 prplhz wrote:
Yes I will contribute more, no I will not give you any reason other than the very generic "I'm busy" (because I don't think that it's fair when people bring things into mafia that don't belong in mafia).

I´m still waiting for your contribution, and your answer to my latest post.

Forumite

Sweden3280 Posts

August 08 2012 23:53 GMT

#281

On August 09 2012 07:53 prplhz wrote:

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Your excuse is a lie, you were not testing out your reads.

You are now trying to take credit for something which you inadvertently caused which makes no sense at all. You appear to be overly worried about what people think about you and your explanations don't make sense. This is why you are the scummiest in the thread.

Yeah, this isn´t the prplhz I´m used to. I can take the fact that you think I´m scum, but I can´t understant why you are not reading what I write and are deliberately misunderstand things. Do you really think I´m trying to take town-credit for being the cause of a discussion about wether or not I´m scum? I don´t think you have any interest in this game at all, you are among the top candidates for a lynch and your defence is nonexistant.

On August 09 2012 06:19 prplhz wrote:
I don't like most of the votes on me, it seems like they're just picking an easy target in a lurkish person which is silly (at least so early on in the day).

You are an easy target because you are scummy, and you haven´t tried to change anyones mind about you since returning, you´d rather throw some suspicion around and hope it blows over. I was ready to vote you earlier when you had posted twice in total, now you are back and I´m even more sure that you are scum.

##Vote prplhz

Forumite

Sweden3280 Posts

August 09 2012 00:04 GMT

#282

On August 09 2012 08:19 sciberbia wrote:

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For some reason, I find this quote extremely funny. Just thought I'd point it out. I'm really not impressed by Forumite's explanation, and as prplhz pointed out, the line about "just testing my scumsense" seems like another contradictory attempt at an explanation.

Well, it wasn´t my best play. I´m not trying to polish it up afterwards, I played suboptimal and I´ve posted my reasons for why I did it. Of course you don´t like the reasons for my actions, neither do I, but I thought it was the right way to go at the time. In hindsight I should probably have made a note to include ShiaoPi's first post in any future cases on him and kept my suspicion a secret, at least until I had more evidence to build a case on.

Forumite

Sweden3280 Posts

August 09 2012 12:27 GMT

#320

@scrib
-I've allready answered why I kept saying I thought ShaioPi was scum even when I got unsure.
-I got suspicious of prplhz earlier, but didn't trust my read at first, because I thought it might have been anger at him voting for me. Then he came back and didn't change my opinion after three posts, so I went with my earlier read, that he's scum.

About mord
I don't think he's scum. I don't like his long posts, but he's actually my strongest townread right now.

I'm not sure if I'll be around anymore before the deadline.

Forumite

Sweden3280 Posts

August 09 2012 13:45 GMT

#324

What I don't get about Mord is why he tried to push marv so late. When pushed to commit to the ShaioPi case and vote, he went for marv instead, a player that will definetly no be lunched today. Mord is wasting his vote.

I'm still leaning town on him. His posts are too few and too long, and he needs to be more aggressive, but there have been a few things that outweigh that.

Forumite

Sweden3280 Posts

August 09 2012 13:47 GMT

#325

Mord
change your vote to me or prplhz, there's no point in voting for marv, he's not going to be lynched today. Consolidate to one of the leading lynches, otherwise you are helping scum.