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On August 06 2012 17:58 DarthPunk wrote: @aRyuujin As far as I can tell I have addressed every case or referred you to read my filter because it is addressed therein. I am going to have to leave the thread for a bit shortly. I am sure there will be alot of posts when I get back which state I am scum whilst providing no evidence. so I have something to look forward too  @everyone else isn't the difference in posting from aRyuujin absolutely INCREDIBLE? I'd like to note that I've looked through his filter several times. He hasn't addressed + Show Spoiler + On August 06 2012 17:27 aRyuujin wrote: Actually, posting ad nauseum would mean that nobody wants to discuss anymore. Clearly, that's not the case. Now, what I'm interested in is why you haven't answered the ~6 questions I posed you, or even referenced that post. It's actually quite possible that you missed it entirely, seeing as it was the last post on the page before this. However, if you were town, you'd actually be answering them by yourself. And like Ange said, the only scum motivation in accusing you would be to block Jingle's lynch, seeing as his bandwagon had already basically been set to go. (note that this would require 4 mafia in this game) However, as town players, our job is actually not to lynch town and sow confusion while saving ourselves. Instead, we need to hunt out the scum. Honestly, you're not providing us with anything remotely town motivated to go off of for ages. And is your reasoning for having a town read on Jingle still that you understand what its like to have a bandwagon? or + Show Spoiler + On August 06 2012 16:56 aRyuujin wrote: Hey GK! Glad to see you're here. The thing about Darkpunk is that rather than it being one big thing confirming that he's scum (like how Zorkmid dropped that bomb), DP's red status' confirmation is made up of many small tells. Over time, DP has had lots of these small tells, that if we add together, pretty much confirm that he's a scum. One is his defense of Zork. Contrary to popular belief, rather than just stating that Zork is a lurker, DP tried to find town motives to explain away Zork's slips. At some points, (I think where it simply became too difficult because of all the mistakes Zork was making), DP was just like fuck it, he's a bad townie, but..... let's lynch Mordanis! And when people realized how obviously scummy Zork was, THAT was the point when DP was like nope Zork = lurker. Then he made his supposed "instigating attack" that apparently led to me OMGUSing him. Control F for Zork here, it's quite telling. The other thing I really want to point out is that rather than advancing town's position, after being accused, DP has pretty much curled into a ball. He didn't even properly address my analysis (no I don't think it's a case), instead doing exactly what I said he would do: Ignoring my conclusions and instead trying to discredit it by taking small parts and acting absurdly. And it seems that I was ninja'd by Ange, but the thing we need to look for is motives. Not necessarily the actions themselves, but the motives. Why does DP behave the way he does is the question that we need to ask ourselves. and @ Darthpunk If you want us to take you for a townie, you're going to have to act like a townie. All you've really posted is that you feel for Jingle for getting accused and that you're mad at me/i'm an idiot/i'm scum/there's something very funny for accusing you. What do you think about Alan? Who's the other scum besides myself? Why is it that when I address you, you ignore what I'm saying, and then say that I'm the one ignoring what you're saying? What's the REAL reason why you think Jingle is town? And why are you going to brush this post off with plenty of LOL, ROFL. and LMAO? Something else I dug up: + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2012 17:29 DarthPunk wrote: Can I just clarify before you leave why you are voting for Zork if Aryuujin is your top scum read. also. SEE waiting around for shady sands to see who to vote for is ridiculous. I am SO GLAD you are going back on that. Here, we have a discussion where DP is . Word for word, DP says that his(DP's) current behavior is "ridiculous" This is somewhat offtopic, so I'll keep it in a spoiler, but it's directed at DP + Show Spoiler + On August 06 2012 16:40 DarthPunk wrote: EBWOP: you also flat out ignore goodkarmas request. have some respect. Hey man, cool down. You're the only person who's been accused of breaking this: However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing. , (In my eyes) you've behaved quite rudely after being accused. Hopefully (and chances are), I'm just getting annoyed because of something stupid, and everyone disagrees with me, but still. Relax and chill Talk a lot while saying little. This seems to be Darthpunk's main form of defense. | ||
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-What do you think about Alan? -Are Ange and I the scum? -Why are we better reads than Jingle, etc.? -Why did you post 5x in a row without any content? -Do you have a reason besides "I understand what it's like to be accused" for having a town read on Jingle? -What's your opinion of the passage where you described sheeping Shady as ridiculous? -Address the 'Jingle is easier than you' discussion -Why haven't you moved town forward in your last ~30 posts? | ||
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Why is obvious agreeing with us? Seeing as your main point about me and Ange being mafia because we accuse you, where does that leave him? | ||
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On August 06 2012 20:31 DarthPunk wrote: @ ghost. shady's vote is on jingle. and as his is so is mine for now. ##VOTE: Jinglehell If you think I'm scum, vote with your opinions. Don't just blindly donate your vote to Shady, it only helps you slip out of any tight situations you get into as a scum. Why would town DP vote for Jingle, who he believes is town, over me and Ange, who DP is apparently super sure are scum? This sheeping is just an attempt to not have to take responsibility for his vote. | ||
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On August 06 2012 20:09 DarthPunk wrote: -What do you think about Alan? Here, he basically says nothing. If his two scum reads aren't scum, then the non town people are scum. You don't say... Also, "Everything is so intertwined". This makes it seem like his excuse for not contributing is that it's complicated. This may sound hypocritical coming from me, but it's time to buck up and help out if he's town. Not contributing, but sounding like you're saying stuff is a scum move. -Are Ange and I the scum? No shit, he says that he "thinks we're likely scum". He's been saying that the whole time. What I wanted to know is if he's finally committing to that answer, rather than just thinking. However, now he seems less certain than before. Establishing a noncommital stance is a typical scum play. Honestly, if he was town, I'd rather see him stick to his guns and write a case against me and Ange. Instead, he's beginning to give himself an exit. -Why are we better reads than Jingle, etc.? He says our cases are weak. Yet, he never shows us why. To be honest, all of the stuff we've piled up on him seems fairly strong to me (resulting in me voting him). And his defense has been... lackluster. He hasn't had a true, straight up, post defending himself until this one. And as for my posting. Yes, it's different. I'm hunting scum actively for a bit. Deal with it. Until there are no scum reads that are disproportionately stronger than the one on myself, that's not a problem we need to worry about. -Why did you post 5x in a row without any content? That's not what a leading question is. A leading question is a question where I'm trying to get you to confirm the information located in my question. In fact, there's nothing wrong with a leading question. What you're thinking of, and what I sadly used, is a loaded question. Loaded questions are usually fallacious, and yes, this was definitely a bad question. I was just trying to get you to discuss the series of posts you made. And it worked, so whatever. Now about those posts. Though he says that they addressed contentless posts, what they were replying to were definitely not junk. Just look at the posts. I mean really? -Do you have a reason besides "I understand what it's like to be accused" for having a town read on Jingle? "Jingle has been the victim of the same traps on me" this is TOTALLY different from what I said. TOTALLY. Basically here, he's trying to make his reason sound more legit. He brings in his assumption that Ange and I are 100% scum (note that he still hasn't voted either of us, however)(and that he's still setting up exit strategies) to help defend his bad, scummy move. To quote Obvious once more: Something else interesting is he still hasn't addressed the fact that everyone else is pretty much 100% for a town ange (as ange started the attack on zork), even Shady, who he is supposedly sheeping. -What's your opinion of the passage where you described sheeping Shady as ridiculous? This one will be fun. This whole paragraph is fairly applicable to the current situation. I'll be putting my commentary italics. There were two clear candidates both had cases on them JingleHell and Darthpunk. It was the best play at that time to not wait for (an at that point largely AFK) shady to make a choice and then all sheep himstill isn't. And he hasn't posted for a bit(though everyone has plenty of irl stuff to do, so I'm not blaming him at all). Many people (including yourself) had not yet been active and it would have been far too easy for scum to hide their votes behind this shady voteIsn't that what you're doing now? Hiding behind this shady vote? Also, many haven't posted for a bit, either, like alan, shady, jingle, etc.. The net knowledge gained would have been less with everyone bandwagoning one candidate. how is this different from nowOne of the main reasons argued in favour of sheeping shady was that it would prevent a no lynch, which people were certain was going to occur. I knew this would never occur. I was always going to switch my vote to avoid the no lynch. As I have said previously I thought zork MAY be scum but I was CERTAIN mordanis was. seems exactly like the situation we're in now, tbh. As I have said previously, I think Jingle MAY be scum but I am CERTAIN Darthpunk is. Exactly the position of ange with the candidates reversed. I was wrong she was right. It seems as if this is mainly what I am guilty of.I think he's saying this is the main thing behind the accusations of him being scum. He's wrong, and it's fairly obvious to anyone who reads the thread All sheeping would have drastically reduced knowledge and discussion going forth, which would have been anti town.I AGREE 100%. WHY DOES THIS NOT APPLY NOW? -Address the 'Jingle is easier than you' discussion We've been working our asses off to get a lynch on you for the last several pages, and you're still not going to be lynched as of now. Do you honestly believe that this dual mislynch strategy makes ANY sense at all? Seems like a half baked explanation trying to get out of his post. -Why haven't you moved town forward in your last ~30 posts? What do you think I've been doing? I posted cases, asked questions, probed, and prodded. Literally all you've done until this post is whine and lash out at the people accusing you, without providing anything truly solid. So, did you not see any of this in any of the posts previously? Do you just not read the thread? | ||
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aRyuujin
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On August 06 2012 21:42 DarthPunk wrote: EBWOP: and obviously you want me dead more than Jingle. So I will thwart your plans if possible. So you're thwarting my plans to lynch scum by ignoring your scum reads and voting for the guy you have a town read for? I repeat: How is this in any way town play? | ||
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On August 06 2012 23:53 Shady Sands wrote: EBWOP: Just saw that alan is already committed to JingleHell, as is DP. Ange, let's vote JingleHell tonight. I'm still not sold on DP's guilt (or innocence). Right now my scumlist is basically JingleHell and aRyuu. Not only because of JingleHell's posting behavior, but because of MrMedic as well. aRyuu and Zork were the only ones that never called out MrMedic for being the most AFK player ever (even missing votes). GK, Ange, Darth, myself, Prome, Keir, and Mord all called out MrMedic but those two never did. Strange. There are a few more I'm looking at, but right now I think JH is our best lynch. Wait a minute. I actually accused MrMedic with my first game related post. And let's be frank: You can IN NO WAY infer from MrMedic AFKing so hardcore that he was replaced that he is scum. If anything, there's more of chance of him getting bored and leaving if he was VT than if he had a more exciting role. But even that is too silly to be brought up as a serious point. He probably forgot about the game, or got bored, or something. He got replaced. Do you really expect that he's some genius who planned out his replacement as a way to win? Despite how annoying JH is being lately, I actually agree with this post (or rather he agrees with me) [+ Show Spoiler + QUOTE]On August 07 2012 00:18 JingleHell wrote: On August 06 2012 23:53 Shady Sands wrote: EBWOP: Just saw that alan is already committed to JingleHell, as is DP. Ange, let's vote JingleHell tonight. I'm still not sold on DP's guilt (or innocence). Right now my scumlist is basically JingleHell and aRyuu. Not only because of JingleHell's posting behavior, but because of MrMedic as well. aRyuu and Zork were the only ones that never called out MrMedic for being the most AFK player ever (even missing votes). GK, Ange, Darth, myself, Prome, Keir, and Mord all called out MrMedic but those two never did. Strange. There are a few more I'm looking at, but right now I think JH is our best lynch. So MrMedic was "lurking" to the point of getting fucking replaced and that convinces you of my guilt? You somehow think that makes me look scummier than the person who is blatantly setting things up to direct things after my mislynch? DP clearly has foreknowledge of how I'm going to flip. And here's a WIFOM filled hypothetical for you, since you like those. Think about this. If I flipped red, which I know I won't, DP would be tomorrow's lynch for attempting to defend me. At least according to precedent. If I flip green, which I will, DP has foreknowledge of how I'll flip and is trying to make people who target me look scummy, which is scum behavior. In BOTH scenarios, no matter what you assume about my alignment, DP is scummy. However, in only ONE of those scenarios am I scummy, and if he gets me mislynched before he dies, he's still alive, can still try to get someone else lynched later, and there's less townies to fight for a majority. Lynching me first can ONLY benefit scum. He basically says something similar about Medic's lurking, and agrees with my phat post where I outlined the two possibilities (Z/DP/Alan vs Z/DP/JH) Shady, I think you're in danger of not seeing the big picture here. We know DP is 100% mafia. We know JH is 99% mafia. Let's not make the 1% risk and go with DP first. | ||
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On August 07 2012 00:53 DarthPunk wrote: EBWOP: It is pretty obvious to me that if something that happened to you has also happened to another, you are both town. or the most meta WIFOM ever is going on. It's not obvious to me. Why don't you spell it out for those of us who have 'retarded cases'? I still don't understand why scum me + ange would pull that play of the double mislynch. After one mislynch, wouldn't we be super suspicious? | ||
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If I understand correctly, he's basically saying that Ange and I targeted both DP and Jingle | ||
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Hopefully, this should clear me of at least a little suspicion. Now, Jingle, seeing as you're still alive, it would be nice if you played like a decent person again. Now, I really want to look at alan. A few things: of the mordanis voting group, Alan (and dp of course) is the only one who voted jingle. He says he doesn't really care, he'd vote DP. It may seem like he just didn't vote because he was lazy or something (no need). However, the majority was quite slim. I'd like to add this to my suspicions of alan from my 'dual scenario' post, and note that Jingle and alan are still my top scum reads | ||
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Without me there, I'd say there was 100% of no DP lynch. Why would scum me set fire to DP now? Jingle wouldve been lynched if not for me and ange. Theres no reason to bus DP before mislynching jingle... @gk- seems however well i play, you just have a grudge against me or something. Im starting to get a teensy bit suspicious of you again, but alan is just really scummy and maybe you once got picked on by a guy named aRyuujin so you're taking it out on me. + Show Spoiler + i kid, i kid. But seriously, i could be the best town ever and youd still make up some wifom bullshit Anyway, I'm voting alan. See my big post for the main reasons, as well as myecent follow up ish po ## Vote Alan113 | ||
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On August 10 2012 04:18 Shady Sands wrote: So after reading through GK's and aRyuu's posts, nothing looks out of order. I read through Alan's defenses one more time as well. One thing that struck me as odd about Alan was his insistence on asking us all to consider scenarios in which he is green, but he never actually added any specifics about those scenarios. Basically, who is the scum if Alan is green? He hasn't mentioned anything about that, which just adds to my scum read on him. well, let's think about it. The only people left would be aRyuujin Shady ange GK Jingle (minus whoever gets NKed) Shady/ange I'd say are pretty much guaranteed town. I know I'm town, and you guys really ought to be looking somewhere else, seeing as without me, Jingle would've been lynched. So GK vs Jingle... | ||
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