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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
August 14 2012 11:30 GMT
#1741
as expected. Still don't like marv though.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 14 2012 11:52 GMT
#1742
Just been re-reading now I'm more with it. VE didn't flip godfather O.o

which means i'm confused about who would be, because VE would be gf before anyone else in the game except maybe bugs. Ugh.

Toad I don't know what's wrong with you. Maybe some paranoid hangover from LV where I duped you, is that it? Or are somehow you're gf??
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
August 14 2012 12:12 GMT
#1743
On August 14 2012 20:52 marvellosity wrote:
Just been re-reading now I'm more with it. VE didn't flip godfather O.o

which means i'm confused about who would be, because VE would be gf before anyone else in the game except maybe bugs. Ugh.

Toad I don't know what's wrong with you. Maybe some paranoid hangover from LV where I duped you, is that it? Or are somehow you're gf??

it's about the GF part and as you finally mentioned it's not making sense right now.

  1. VE flipped mafia mason, as was expected
  2. If Hassy is mafia we have to assume mafia has 2 masons, which is already kind of a act of faith. But I'd be down with that as it's not unreasonable at all, just a little bit tricky.
  3. VE obviously didn't flip GF but mason, that means there's still a GF out there. They probably didn't give it to a mason to begin with because a mason already is a GF, or so we thought, + Show Spoiler [explanation] +
    We assumed DT only gets back "Mason + name" when he checks a mason, not the alignment. So basicly you can't differentiate between town and mafia masons, so a mafia mason basicly is a GF as well. That assumption made sense as Xsebt claimed Talis to be "Goon + name", he never mentioned him being red but obviously assumed it because there are no green goons.
    He checked me on top of that and said he "trusts" me being town. He never said he knows I'm town but only said he trusts me. So I assumed he only got back "mason + name" without an alignment or else he would have said he knows I'm town or at least said he got a green check on me.
    However, we had a mod confirmation somewhere that DT's get alignments as well, so those assumptions were all bullshit

  4. Anyways, I still highly doubt they'd give GF AND mason to hassy because that'd be simply retarded. Even if hassy flips red, which is at least likely he probably won't flip GF and we still have the GF somewhere around
  5. Take all what I said and combine it and you'll realize (and should have already realized yesterday as well) that probably both VE and Hassy are mafia but at the same time probably neither of them will flip GF. So where's the GF? Who's the GF. It seems like they gave it to some newer guy but assuming that out of nowhere yesterday and lynching into VE took balls to begin with. At least from my point of view. I'm just suprised it was so easy for everyone to get on VE in that situation


besides that:
If the mafia RB gets to be GF (GF chooses to be checked as VT), what would the DT get back on a check?
"VT + name" or "VT + RB + name" ?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 14 2012 12:25 GMT
#1744
yeah I was pretty baked by the time the flip came.

As for VE. What was the credible altnerative? talis made a huge (and good) case, plus I added my thoughts on VE too.

The plain fact of the matter is that no-one believed he was town enough to speak up for him.

Also roleblocker can't be godfather surely?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
August 14 2012 12:27 GMT
#1745
To put it simple:

I was pretty convinced one out of Hassy / VE has to be mafia, probably even both yesterday. However, if both are mafia that means there's still a GF running around somewhere else which gave me some headache and was one of the reasons I stated I'm not that sure on hassy anymore. I'd still say it's way more likely that Hassy's just a mafia mason and we have a GF running around somewhere else but assuming that to begin with should take some balls imo and suprisingly it didn't at all.

Anyways, see you tomorrow, going back to my place now.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
August 14 2012 12:30 GMT
#1746
On August 14 2012 21:25 marvellosity wrote:
yeah I was pretty baked by the time the flip came.

As for VE. What was the credible altnerative? talis made a huge (and good) case, plus I added my thoughts on VE too.

The plain fact of the matter is that no-one believed he was town enough to speak up for him.

Also roleblocker can't be godfather surely?


Yeah I get that and lynching VE was the best, if not the only choice we had. Still I'm just suprised that noone had at least some tiny doubts about it. Not saying people should have acted paranoid and tried to lynch someone else but everyone treating this as a 100% confirmed lynch without the slightest form of a doubt was weird.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 14 2012 12:33 GMT
#1747
I'm always scared shitless of lynching VE, but i'm not gonna show town that ^^

like we're both agreeing, it was kinda basically the only alternative. Plus town VE before he gets lynched usually fucking dishes out the reads and info for before he dies, as the day goes on. As the day went on and he didn't do it, it became more obvious he'd flip mafia.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
August 14 2012 12:53 GMT
#1748
On August 14 2012 21:33 marvellosity wrote:
I'm always scared shitless of lynching VE, but i'm not gonna show town that ^^

like we're both agreeing, it was kinda basically the only alternative. Plus town VE before he gets lynched usually fucking dishes out the reads and info for before he dies, as the day goes on. As the day went on and he didn't do it, it became more obvious he'd flip mafia.


See, that's exactly the reason I'm not trusting you, you're just like Zephirdd somehow.
You manage to write those posts and they all read nice and dandy but at the same time you somehow manage to have this one phrase, word or whatever else in a lot of your posts that makes my spidersenses tingle like crazy.

That part just reads an awful lot like you're not part of town at all. I would expect a townie to say something like "but I'm not gonna show people that" instead of "town" or something else like that, go figure. This just really sounds like you're unconsciously dissociating yourself from "town".
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 14 2012 12:59 GMT
#1749
not my fault you can't interpret meanings/intentions, dear. you're making shit up that isn't there. if you're gonna keep doing that there's not a lot I can do about it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
August 14 2012 13:00 GMT
#1750
On August 14 2012 21:53 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 21:33 marvellosity wrote:
I'm always scared shitless of lynching VE, but i'm not gonna show town that ^^

like we're both agreeing, it was kinda basically the only alternative. Plus town VE before he gets lynched usually fucking dishes out the reads and info for before he dies, as the day goes on. As the day went on and he didn't do it, it became more obvious he'd flip mafia.


See, that's exactly the reason I'm not trusting you, you're just like Zephirdd somehow.
You manage to write those posts and they all read nice and dandy but at the same time you somehow manage to have this one phrase, word or whatever else in a lot of your posts that makes my spidersenses tingle like crazy.

That part just reads an awful lot like you're not part of town at all. I would expect a townie to say something like "but I'm not gonna show people that" instead of "town" or something else like that, go figure. This just really sounds like you're unconsciously dissociating yourself from "town".

and no I'm not telling people to shoot you or lynch you based on something like that, but I'd rather not have them think you're clearly a townie either because I don't think it's that clear at all.

But that's it for me for today, as mentioned on my way now.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 14 2012 13:02 GMT
#1751
i'll quite happily sit back, do jack shit, and let town burn, if you want, toad.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
August 14 2012 15:58 GMT
#1752
On August 14 2012 22:02 marvellosity wrote:
i'll quite happily sit back, do jack shit, and let town burn, if you want, toad.

That's not it.
It's just that the reasoning for lynching WBG and Prplhz came down to "they should be better than what they showed us".
The reasoning for lynching Zeph and VE always has been "they're weird, not necessarily scummy yet but they somehow manage to get these weird phrases in their posts that really sound like they're not town and they do that a lot. Not sure what to make of it though".

At least that has been the reasoning for me (check my mason-logs, I mentioned it a couple of times when talking about Zeph I think) when judging them and you're starting to give me the same feeling VE and Zephirdd gave me, unlike WBG, prplhz and Talis did.

Keep doing what you're doing
If I'm wrong neither of us is going to get shot and we're both happy, aren't we? :p
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
August 14 2012 16:57 GMT
#1753
On August 15 2012 00:58 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 22:02 marvellosity wrote:
i'll quite happily sit back, do jack shit, and let town burn, if you want, toad.

That's not it.
It's just that the reasoning for lynching WBG and Prplhz came down to "they should be better than what they showed us".
The reasoning for lynching Zeph and VE always has been "they're weird, not necessarily scummy yet but they somehow manage to get these weird phrases in their posts that really sound like they're not town and they do that a lot. Not sure what to make of it though".

At least that has been the reasoning for me (check my mason-logs, I mentioned it a couple of times when talking about Zeph I think) when judging them and you're starting to give me the same feeling VE and Zephirdd gave me, unlike WBG, prplhz and Talis did.

Keep doing what you're doing
If I'm wrong neither of us is going to get shot and we're both happy, aren't we? :p

VE wasnt playing to his town meta, at all. Even when he isnt as active, he seems to try more than he did in this game. In all he made two cases and his scum hunting felt suboptimal for VE. He sounded a bit too apologetic at the Erandorr lynch.
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
Glasse
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1237 Posts
August 14 2012 18:18 GMT
#1754
On August 14 2012 12:02 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 11:07 Glasse wrote:
On August 14 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:
no, I'm way more sure about Hassybaby than Glasse.


You should listen to your godfather, Hier.

Prove it. lol. Shooting Glasse would be better as we wont get a read on him, imo. I feel like they might go after vig tonight, as opposed to big townies.


What did I do to you guys? I like my body without bullet holes in it.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 14 2012 18:29 GMT
#1755
On August 15 2012 01:57 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 00:58 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:02 marvellosity wrote:
i'll quite happily sit back, do jack shit, and let town burn, if you want, toad.

That's not it.
It's just that the reasoning for lynching WBG and Prplhz came down to "they should be better than what they showed us".
The reasoning for lynching Zeph and VE always has been "they're weird, not necessarily scummy yet but they somehow manage to get these weird phrases in their posts that really sound like they're not town and they do that a lot. Not sure what to make of it though".

At least that has been the reasoning for me (check my mason-logs, I mentioned it a couple of times when talking about Zeph I think) when judging them and you're starting to give me the same feeling VE and Zephirdd gave me, unlike WBG, prplhz and Talis did.

Keep doing what you're doing
If I'm wrong neither of us is going to get shot and we're both happy, aren't we? :p

VE wasnt playing to his town meta, at all. Even when he isnt as active, he seems to try more than he did in this game. In all he made two cases and his scum hunting felt suboptimal for VE. He sounded a bit too apologetic at the Erandorr lynch.

So where does that leave us? Why is that information beneficial? How does that assist us in finding scum? I can't even tell who, or even if your are trying to defend/attack someone in this post.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 14 2012 18:31 GMT
#1756
On August 15 2012 03:18 Glasse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 12:02 BroodKingEXE wrote:
On August 14 2012 11:07 Glasse wrote:
On August 14 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:
no, I'm way more sure about Hassybaby than Glasse.


You should listen to your godfather, Hier.

Prove it. lol. Shooting Glasse would be better as we wont get a read on him, imo. I feel like they might go after vig tonight, as opposed to big townies.


What did I do to you guys? I like my body without bullet holes in it.

You have no right to still be alive. Do something useful please.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
August 14 2012 18:39 GMT
#1757
BKE: Where are your scum reads? Looking through your filter this is the attempts to scum hunt I can find:

You were suspicious of Errandor. This is the only time you've ever done an actual case on someone
You were suspicious of Dropula but didn't push his lynch the slightest.
You are suspicious of Glasse but doesn't push his lynch the slightest.
You are suspicious of Zentor but doesn't push his lynch the slightest.
You flip-flop alot about VE, finally deciding to vote him. You don't push him a single bit, however when he is finally lynched you write this:
On August 15 2012 01:57 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 00:58 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:02 marvellosity wrote:
i'll quite happily sit back, do jack shit, and let town burn, if you want, toad.

That's not it.
It's just that the reasoning for lynching WBG and Prplhz came down to "they should be better than what they showed us".
The reasoning for lynching Zeph and VE always has been "they're weird, not necessarily scummy yet but they somehow manage to get these weird phrases in their posts that really sound like they're not town and they do that a lot. Not sure what to make of it though".

At least that has been the reasoning for me (check my mason-logs, I mentioned it a couple of times when talking about Zeph I think) when judging them and you're starting to give me the same feeling VE and Zephirdd gave me, unlike WBG, prplhz and Talis did.

Keep doing what you're doing
If I'm wrong neither of us is going to get shot and we're both happy, aren't we? :p

VE wasnt playing to his town meta, at all. Even when he isnt as active, he seems to try more than he did in this game. In all he made two cases and his scum hunting felt suboptimal for VE. He sounded a bit too apologetic at the Erandorr lynch.
My spider senses are tingeling! Now you sound like VE was obvious scum even though you were very unsure of his alignment before the lynch. It's like your trying to take town cred for the VE lynch.

Also, you never answered all of Hopeless case against you, just one bit of it. You have clearly seen the case yet you don't answer to some bits of it. Why is that? If you don't agree with the accusations against you, tell us why.

To Vigis: I'm assuming there is an infinite shot vigialante in this game, although I could be wrong. I recomend you to shoot BKE, although I'm okay with shooting Hassy as well. Even if you don't agree with me I strongly recomend you to at least shoot someone. It's essential that we get the number of scum from 3 to 2 as fast as possible so that we can decrease their KP.

marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 14 2012 18:41 GMT
#1758
shoot hassy

most obvious atm
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
August 14 2012 18:42 GMT
#1759
On August 15 2012 03:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 01:57 BroodKingEXE wrote:
On August 15 2012 00:58 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:02 marvellosity wrote:
i'll quite happily sit back, do jack shit, and let town burn, if you want, toad.

That's not it.
It's just that the reasoning for lynching WBG and Prplhz came down to "they should be better than what they showed us".
The reasoning for lynching Zeph and VE always has been "they're weird, not necessarily scummy yet but they somehow manage to get these weird phrases in their posts that really sound like they're not town and they do that a lot. Not sure what to make of it though".

At least that has been the reasoning for me (check my mason-logs, I mentioned it a couple of times when talking about Zeph I think) when judging them and you're starting to give me the same feeling VE and Zephirdd gave me, unlike WBG, prplhz and Talis did.

Keep doing what you're doing
If I'm wrong neither of us is going to get shot and we're both happy, aren't we? :p

VE wasnt playing to his town meta, at all. Even when he isnt as active, he seems to try more than he did in this game. In all he made two cases and his scum hunting felt suboptimal for VE. He sounded a bit too apologetic at the Erandorr lynch.

So where does that leave us? Why is that information beneficial? How does that assist us in finding scum? I can't even tell who, or even if your are trying to defend/attack someone in this post.

I read that post as Toad asking why VE was lynched for being wierd. Just wanted to clear the air. Discussion doesn't hurt right?
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
August 14 2012 18:45 GMT
#1760
On August 15 2012 03:42 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 03:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 15 2012 01:57 BroodKingEXE wrote:
On August 15 2012 00:58 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:02 marvellosity wrote:
i'll quite happily sit back, do jack shit, and let town burn, if you want, toad.

That's not it.
It's just that the reasoning for lynching WBG and Prplhz came down to "they should be better than what they showed us".
The reasoning for lynching Zeph and VE always has been "they're weird, not necessarily scummy yet but they somehow manage to get these weird phrases in their posts that really sound like they're not town and they do that a lot. Not sure what to make of it though".

At least that has been the reasoning for me (check my mason-logs, I mentioned it a couple of times when talking about Zeph I think) when judging them and you're starting to give me the same feeling VE and Zephirdd gave me, unlike WBG, prplhz and Talis did.

Keep doing what you're doing
If I'm wrong neither of us is going to get shot and we're both happy, aren't we? :p

VE wasnt playing to his town meta, at all. Even when he isnt as active, he seems to try more than he did in this game. In all he made two cases and his scum hunting felt suboptimal for VE. He sounded a bit too apologetic at the Erandorr lynch.

So where does that leave us? Why is that information beneficial? How does that assist us in finding scum? I can't even tell who, or even if your are trying to defend/attack someone in this post.

I read that post as Toad asking why VE was lynched for being wierd. Just wanted to clear the air. Discussion doesn't hurt right?
If you do it with the expense of giving your scum reads, the yes I think it does hurt town
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