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talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 08 2012 01:31 GMT
#1093
yeah xsebt didn't bold his either. I say warnings for those two and modkill the non-voters.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 08 2012 01:36 GMT
#1095
VE
broodwarexe
hier
hopeless1der
glasse
mrzentor
zephirdd

These are the erandorr voters. At least two of them, probably three are scum. Maybe four but that would be pushing it.

My thoughts:

VE - obviously I still think he is scum, and he is.
BKE - softdefended VE, active lurker, overly touchy when prodded earlier
hopeless1der - every post of his reads scummy in that he only mentions current topics in the thread and he's overcomposing his posts. Still I give him small towncred for saying he was going to look into zeph and then doing it and backing down. I should probably examine that in thread context to see if there would be scum motivation to back down since the zeph wagon inflated and deflated rather rapidly hmmm. Ok aside from that piece of thinking out loud, he also just completely ignores me, his scumread from day one, today. Read his filter.

glasse - borderline for me. he's just so obvious it can't be true. what was your reasoning for voting erandorr, again? I don't see a post from you about it in the thread.

hier - semi borderline but I kind of read him as town. he was onto erandorr early enough anyway.
mrzentor - town or crazy-stupid (stupid-crazy???) scum. lean town cautiously.

zephirdd - town methinks. I guess I should reconsider that since I forget why I thought he was town though.



_______________


the scum outside the erandorr voters? Assuming VE is scum and no one was bussing, I'd say hassybaby + wbg or something like that but I haven't thought that through all the way.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 08 2012 01:43 GMT
#1097
Medics - Listen to me tonight please! Choose your protection targets between me, solstice, and strongandbig

Vigilatnes: If you aren't modkilled (think BioSC might be one) then shoot VE.

Rolecops: Check BKE.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 08 2012 01:44 GMT
#1099
On August 08 2012 10:42 Glasse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 10:36 talismania wrote:
glasse - borderline for me. he's just so obvious it can't be true. what was your reasoning for voting erandorr, again? I don't see a post from you about it in the thread.


When I voted, Erandorr had fewer votes than VE and I wanted to see how the votes would shift, if they even did, to possibly figure out who is scum.

An easy way to find scum is to find out who just bandwagons.


Be sure to enlighten us with your findings from this experiment!
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 08 2012 02:02 GMT
#1102
I'll post my other log near daybreak, no worries.

Also VE I'm still open to chatting in PMs if you are!
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 08 2012 02:03 GMT
#1104
ah you ninja'd me on that one VE
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 08 2012 02:03 GMT
#1105
On August 08 2012 11:01 Hier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 10:43 talismania wrote:
Medics - Listen to me tonight please! Choose your protection targets between me, solstice, and strongandbig

Vigilatnes: If you aren't modkilled (think BioSC might be one) then shoot VE.

So let me get this straight. You want medics to protect only the people that voted for VE. You also want VGs to kill VE. Aren't you putting too many of town's eggs into the basket designated by you?


What other basket should I put put them in? It's not like they're bound to do my bidding.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 08 2012 05:09 GMT
#1111
On August 08 2012 11:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
@Talis

Show nested quote +

hopeless1der - every post of his reads scummy in that he only mentions current topics in the thread and he's overcomposing his posts. Still I give him small towncred for saying he was going to look into zeph and then doing it and backing down. I should probably examine that in thread context to see if there would be scum motivation to back down since the zeph wagon inflated and deflated rather rapidly hmmm. Ok aside from that piece of thinking out loud, he also just completely ignores me, his scumread from day one, today. Read his filter.

To the "overcomposing", I'm not sure how this suggests my affiliation when considering the fact that I haven't even got a full page in my filter yet. I have been severely lacking in the activity department (which I intend to improve) and I've only really given input on the current topics. However, my keeping my thoughts in line with the thread keeps things focused instead of looking like I'm trying to shift suspicions or clutter the thread. Your point there could easily go either way to paint me as scum regardless.

Further to the point of my focusing on the current train of thought, you were not in any way going to be lynched today and I sincerely doubt I would have made any impact trying to get a lynch started on you after having been so inactive. I read up on the thread and posted who I felt was scum. In the future I'll know that Eran just tunnels wbg blind all day. I plan to spend this evening reading through filters and mason logs to figure out what to think now. You're null right now, in case you were wondering.




Excellent, I await the fruits of your labors this evening! It's 10pm pacific so you should be nearly completion.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 22:59:38
August 08 2012 14:50 GMT
#1127
@Lazer Don't vig bad townies. Dumb at this point. Vig people you think are scum.

VE contacted me after the lynch.



Original Message From VisceraEyes:
Nah thanks though.

Show nested quote +
Original Message From talismania:
heh ok. Any questions for me, since you think I'm scum again?

Original Message From VisceraEyes:
For the record, you had me fooled. Thankfully, you weren't able to get me lynched so I can make up for my folly tonight.

Don't even TRY to shoot me, medics will be all over my shit after this night.

You're done sir. DONE.

Original Message From talismania:
what time zone are you in ? I'm actually about to go to sleep. but chat tomorrow perhaps?

lemme know your answer to how your thoughts on zeph have gone this game.

also curious to know what you make of hassy.

Original Message From VisceraEyes:
Give me a little bit to get home. My Skype name is REDACTED

Original Message From talismania:
Yeah you mentioned zephirdd earlier in the thread, when you voted for him "yeah I can lynch zephirdd" or something like that. How has your thinking on him evolved over the course of the game?

Original Message From VisceraEyes:
That's the theory, yes. Obviously that's speculation and in no way provable...but he had to know Bugs would out him, and the way he reacted to it didn't seem in line with that knowledge.

Here's the thing about this tone...faking nerdrage is one of the easiest things in the world. Honestly if I were scum that's probably how I would have reacted to your case on me - however, I'm not even sure I think that's what's going on with Errand. I think Errand is GENUINELY upset by Bugs' repeated insults. But the problem with that is that he's using the insults as the SOLE DETERMINING FACTOR in determining Bugs' alignment - and he refers BACK to the insults in trying to sway votes TOWARD Bugs. THIS is what I have an issue with. The way he's using the whole escapade to try and swing a Bugs lynch based on BS.

And as you say, he has done fuck all besides...so it's hard to determine his alignment OUTSIDE of the whole thing.

As far as my further scumreads go, I'm looking into Bugs' latest target (Xter or whatever) and Zephirdd myself, but I think consensus is going to favor lynching into the masons unfortunately (-.-) so it's really for posterity in case you get your way. I'll let you know what I find.

Original Message From talismania:
ok we can keep going by pms for now.

On eran - I still lean town on him. The major point with him is reconciling his personality with his alignment. he seems genuinely like a typical aggressive nerd. abit too prideful and prickly when it comes to people challening their opinions. I don't think he's making that up. The small posts in his filter read town to me - where he asks people questions and then follows up on them, for instance. His fight with wbg in chat was not very productive and certainly not how I would have done things but neither of them seemed to be in the mood for just hashing things out. I will say that he hasn't done much since the wbg issue has died down.

your feelings about erandorr stem from his masoning of bugs, yes? you think he did that knowing he would be outed, knowing he could get on wbg's nerves and hopefully force a lynch?

Original Message From VisceraEyes:
I have more time at work, but I can make time at home too. I'll pencil you in.

TL PMs are fine for me either way - that's all I used to communicate with Bugs (he keeps really odd hours -.-) so that's pretty much what I'm used to at this point.

Original Message From talismania:
I don't have an irc client on this computer though I suppose I can get one (I'm also at work). will you be free when you're at home or do you have more time for this stuff at work?

[quote]


Dunno entirely what to make of that. My gut reaction is that he was just gloating at surviving. I also find it an incredibly weird thing to say to someone you think is scum if you are town. Like, I would just keep up the charade of saying I found the scum suspect townie while pumping him for information. VE however doesn't even care to ask me any questions at all even when I give him the opportunity.

Also VE, you still owe us your thoguhts on zephirdd, for like the 100th time.

And hopeless1der it will be morning for you soon so please give us those thoughts!
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 08 2012 15:32 GMT
#1128
actually come to think of it "medics will be all over my shit after this night" makes me wonder if he's going NK me and claim vig.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 08 2012 16:55 GMT
#1133
On August 09 2012 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 01:23 BroodKingEXE wrote:
On August 08 2012 16:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
wait a minute.

BKE VOTED Erandorr. Man you're full of shit, attacking VE for voting Erandorr for that reason when you sheeped him

A townies gotta have the right info otherwise the whole town is fucked. Towns advantage is they can make consensus and informed desicions, its our job to find the scum leading us off track and look for people who have gone off track. I dont get you you keep saying you wont play the game but your still making accusations (small if that).


Townies need that info BEFORE they make decisions not after they already made them. And just because bugs is not as active as everyone would like him to be doesn't diminish the fact that what you posted makes you look bad.


You're here! Summary of your thoughts following your read-through and nocturnal digestion thereof?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 08 2012 17:06 GMT
#1135
The NKs aren't going to be affected by discussion much. It'll be either me, snb, solstice, maybe toad.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 23:00:31
August 08 2012 17:08 GMT
#1136
On August 08 2012 23:50 talismania wrote:
@Lazer Don't vig bad townies. Dumb at this point. Vig people you think are scum.

VE contacted me after the lynch.



Show nested quote +
Original Message From VisceraEyes:
Nah thanks though.

Original Message From talismania:
heh ok. Any questions for me, since you think I'm scum again?

Original Message From VisceraEyes:
For the record, you had me fooled. Thankfully, you weren't able to get me lynched so I can make up for my folly tonight.

Don't even TRY to shoot me, medics will be all over my shit after this night.

You're done sir. DONE.

Original Message From talismania:
what time zone are you in ? I'm actually about to go to sleep. but chat tomorrow perhaps?

lemme know your answer to how your thoughts on zeph have gone this game.

also curious to know what you make of hassy.

Original Message From VisceraEyes:
Give me a little bit to get home. My Skype name is REDACTED

Original Message From talismania:
Yeah you mentioned zephirdd earlier in the thread, when you voted for him "yeah I can lynch zephirdd" or something like that. How has your thinking on him evolved over the course of the game?

Original Message From VisceraEyes:
That's the theory, yes. Obviously that's speculation and in no way provable...but he had to know Bugs would out him, and the way he reacted to it didn't seem in line with that knowledge.

Here's the thing about this tone...faking nerdrage is one of the easiest things in the world. Honestly if I were scum that's probably how I would have reacted to your case on me - however, I'm not even sure I think that's what's going on with Errand. I think Errand is GENUINELY upset by Bugs' repeated insults. But the problem with that is that he's using the insults as the SOLE DETERMINING FACTOR in determining Bugs' alignment - and he refers BACK to the insults in trying to sway votes TOWARD Bugs. THIS is what I have an issue with. The way he's using the whole escapade to try and swing a Bugs lynch based on BS.

And as you say, he has done fuck all besides...so it's hard to determine his alignment OUTSIDE of the whole thing.

As far as my further scumreads go, I'm looking into Bugs' latest target (Xter or whatever) and Zephirdd myself, but I think consensus is going to favor lynching into the masons unfortunately (-.-) so it's really for posterity in case you get your way. I'll let you know what I find.

Original Message From talismania:
ok we can keep going by pms for now.

On eran - I still lean town on him. The major point with him is reconciling his personality with his alignment. he seems genuinely like a typical aggressive nerd. abit too prideful and prickly when it comes to people challening their opinions. I don't think he's making that up. The small posts in his filter read town to me - where he asks people questions and then follows up on them, for instance. His fight with wbg in chat was not very productive and certainly not how I would have done things but neither of them seemed to be in the mood for just hashing things out. I will say that he hasn't done much since the wbg issue has died down.

your feelings about erandorr stem from his masoning of bugs, yes? you think he did that knowing he would be outed, knowing he could get on wbg's nerves and hopefully force a lynch?

Original Message From VisceraEyes:
I have more time at work, but I can make time at home too. I'll pencil you in.

TL PMs are fine for me either way - that's all I used to communicate with Bugs (he keeps really odd hours -.-) so that's pretty much what I'm used to at this point.

[quote]


Dunno entirely what to make of that. My gut reaction is that he was just gloating at surviving. I also find it an incredibly weird thing to say to someone you think is scum if you are town. Like, I would just keep up the charade of saying I found the scum suspect townie while pumping him for information. VE however doesn't even care to ask me any questions at all even when I give him the opportunity.

Also VE, you still owe us your thoguhts on zephirdd, for like the 100th time.

And hopeless1der it will be morning for you soon so please give us those thoughts!



Reposting this so that people actually read what VE wrote here... uh. What the hell is that supposed to mean? "so I can make up for my folly tonight" makes it sound like he's going to vig me but he's a mason LOL.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 08 2012 17:14 GMT
#1138
yeah you and i are less likely than snb and solstice. I think solstice because I think VE is scum and he's on VE as well. Plus he's a good townie and can be a discussion leader like sloosh.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 08 2012 17:15 GMT
#1140
btw toad who do you think the other three scum are? aside from hassy and wbg I mean.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 08 2012 17:17 GMT
#1141
On August 09 2012 02:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
That to me looks like VE is angry with you and wants you to pay for almost mislynching him. If you flip town, we'll be hard pressed to pick between him and bugs for who to lynch tomorrow after the whole eran-ve-bugs triangle.

I don't know about the 'make up for my folly tonight'. I'm expecting an epic case near the deadline right now. tbh I'm expecting 3 or 4 cases right around the deadline tonight, plus the rest of the mason logs.


what do you mean "if I flip town" and then "lynch tomorrow"? You know something about the NKs that I don't?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 08 2012 17:21 GMT
#1143
@toad but definitely at deadline, yes?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 08 2012 17:25 GMT
#1144
Sidenote:

People.

Stop being angry.

I have no clue why anyone would ever get angry about some of the things you guys do. Well in some cases I suppose it's a decent scum tactic. Lots of emotion, fucks with the thread, etc. But if you're townie you should never get angry. Just don't.

Also, you should never stop talking to someone in PMs.

So, VE.

I'm still here and would love to chat!

:-)
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 08 2012 19:12 GMT
#1151
I don't know if they are but I suspect they all are anyway. Glasse and zentor are borderline, dropula seems too strange to be scum. I guess if scum team is planning on bussing him that would explain his behavior but nothing seems to be moving in that direction.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 08 2012 21:04 GMT
#1155
Toad it's probably getting close to your bedtime there if you're feeling like posting those extra suspects.
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