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On August 10 2012 04:51 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 04:45 talismania wrote:On August 10 2012 04:37 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 10 2012 04:28 talismania wrote:On August 10 2012 04:18 Toadesstern wrote:On August 10 2012 03:43 talismania wrote:
Toad can you at least answer if he said I was a goon or a roleblocker? Can't just leave the thread hanging like that. he said "Talis the mafia goon". That's all I'm going to say. huh. well at least this more or less proves that you're town unless you're way craftier than I remember. How does this prove that Toad is town? Wouldn't this just mean that his ''source'' is town and you are scum or the other way around? I guess it could mean that both you and the other guy are both town if you are a miller. But how does this mean Toad is town? It's very possible that the guy just told Toad to say he got a red check on you in the thread. This way he wouldn't out himself as DT but still let us know that he got a red check. As there really isn't a reason for town not to out this in the thread Toad is more or less forced to do that no matter what alignment he is. Well the way I see it, I am town. If toad were scum, he would know I'm town. There'd be no reason for him to go mum like this in that case. I mean it's like a free mislynch. A bit of an academic point though everything else about toad's play screams town as well. I don't get this. If Toad is scum and you are town and we lynch you and you flip town, then we know that the guy is scum unless you flip miller. How will Toad look bad for that? Yhea, I'm also thinking Toad is town. At least atm.
Eh forget it it's just that I think toad wouldn't be like "talis has a redcheck" and then "oh can't talk about it anymore" if he were scum and I'm miller, or if the whole thing was fake.
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On August 10 2012 04:39 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 04:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Smurfs never tell people who they are... That's the purpose of a smurf.
Eventually people figure them out or they screw up big time themselves when posting with their origninal account but smurfs lie about wether or not they are a smurf for obvious reasons.
He is 99% a smurf, although I don't agree that he has to be mafia, nor do I think it is likely for him to flip mafia. Though with bugs flipping green the chances increase I guess.. Well I guess the purpose with being a smurf is to avoid people judging you by your meta. Why would someone smurf and then troll the thread to death if he got town? It doesn't make sense. But I guess he could be doing it just to fuck with everyone...
or because they're so good at playing that they usually get shot d1 and don't want to get shot.
The really good vets do that all the time, either by playing "weird" on purpose or by smurfing.
Foolishness for example is someone who preferes not to smurf, proceeds to post in a way that it's really hard to tell wether he's town or mafia, so he won't get shot as town and dishes out a list on d3 that is pretty much 100% correct. He's not trolling but he's making himself a bad target for mafia to shoot that way.
People like Palmar, Kita, Greymist and Sandroba (I think he's either kita or Greymist) like to smurf although it comes down to the same thing. Greymist and Kita are two guys who love "roleplaying" so that's why I'm mentioned those two.
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On August 10 2012 04:54 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 04:39 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 10 2012 04:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Smurfs never tell people who they are... That's the purpose of a smurf.
Eventually people figure them out or they screw up big time themselves when posting with their origninal account but smurfs lie about wether or not they are a smurf for obvious reasons.
He is 99% a smurf, although I don't agree that he has to be mafia, nor do I think it is likely for him to flip mafia. Though with bugs flipping green the chances increase I guess.. Well I guess the purpose with being a smurf is to avoid people judging you by your meta. Why would someone smurf and then troll the thread to death if he got town? It doesn't make sense. But I guess he could be doing it just to fuck with everyone... or because they're so good at playing that they usually get shot d1 and don't want to get shot. The really good vets do that all the time, either by playing "weird" on purpose or by smurfing. Foolishness for example is someone who preferes not to smurf, proceeds to post in a way that it's really hard to tell wether he's town or mafia, so he won't get shot as town and dishes out a list on d3 that is pretty much 100% correct. He's not trolling but he's making himself a bad target for mafia to shoot that way. People like Palmar, Kita, Greymist and Sandroba (I think he's either kita or Greymist) like to smurf although it comes down to the same thing. Greymist and Kita are two guys who love "roleplaying" so that's why I'm mentioned those two. Well it still doesn't make sense that he is BOTH smurfing and playing wierd. I could get it if he was doing one or the other but both at the same time just isn't town at all.
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WTF? So a DT checked talis and claimed it THROUGH you Toad? Is that what I'm reading here?
Can you clarify that a bit because if it's legit I'm switching my vote...
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On August 10 2012 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
WTF? So a DT checked talis and claimed it THROUGH you Toad? Is that what I'm reading here?
Can you clarify that a bit because if it's legit I'm switching my vote...
kind of. Although I can't tell wether or not the guy is telling me that because he IS a DT or because he's a goon himself trying to get a final ML today.
I'm trying to ignore it right now and thinking of other possibilities 
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On August 10 2012 06:06 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
WTF? So a DT checked talis and claimed it THROUGH you Toad? Is that what I'm reading here?
Can you clarify that a bit because if it's legit I'm switching my vote... kind of. Although I can't tell wether or not the guy is telling me that because he IS a DT or because he's a goon himself trying to get a final ML today. I'm trying to ignore it right now and thinking of other possibilities
Did you mason him? Or did he mason you?
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It seems, from the OP, town masons don't doublestack like scum ones can.
Mason
At the beginning of every cycle, you may send a PM to me detailing who you would like to Mason with during that cycle. You may PM with that person for the full cycle. You may not choose a person you have already Masoned with for the remainder of the game.
Mason
At the beginning of every cycle, you may send a PM to me detailing who you would like to Mason with during that cycle. You may PM with that person for the full cycle. You may not choose a person you have already Masoned with for the remainder of the game. The Mafia team will have a set number of people to choose as Masons. Mafia with other roles (Roleblocker, Godfather) can double up on Mason roles.
So I'd be awfully suspicious, unless the difference in wording from the OP is an oversight. Should probably verify through BC.
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On August 10 2012 05:02 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 04:54 Toadesstern wrote:On August 10 2012 04:39 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 10 2012 04:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Smurfs never tell people who they are... That's the purpose of a smurf.
Eventually people figure them out or they screw up big time themselves when posting with their origninal account but smurfs lie about wether or not they are a smurf for obvious reasons.
He is 99% a smurf, although I don't agree that he has to be mafia, nor do I think it is likely for him to flip mafia. Though with bugs flipping green the chances increase I guess.. Well I guess the purpose with being a smurf is to avoid people judging you by your meta. Why would someone smurf and then troll the thread to death if he got town? It doesn't make sense. But I guess he could be doing it just to fuck with everyone... or because they're so good at playing that they usually get shot d1 and don't want to get shot. The really good vets do that all the time, either by playing "weird" on purpose or by smurfing. Foolishness for example is someone who preferes not to smurf, proceeds to post in a way that it's really hard to tell wether he's town or mafia, so he won't get shot as town and dishes out a list on d3 that is pretty much 100% correct. He's not trolling but he's making himself a bad target for mafia to shoot that way. People like Palmar, Kita, Greymist and Sandroba (I think he's either kita or Greymist) like to smurf although it comes down to the same thing. Greymist and Kita are two guys who love "roleplaying" so that's why I'm mentioned those two. Well it still doesn't make sense that he is BOTH smurfing and playing wierd. I could get it if he was doing one or the other but both at the same time just isn't town at all. Actually, if Dropula is the DT everything would suddenly make sense once again... However If your guy is someone else then it's another thing.
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It doesn't sound very legit to me.
I mean, there are inherent risks involved with claiming as DT...claiming through a mason doesn't really mitigate those at all, because surreptitious behavior is often regarded as scummy rather than townie regardless of the intentions - look at the Lynch All Liars policy if you have any doubts.
While I would love nothing more than to lynch talismania, this smells funny. No offense Toad, it's more to do with the manner of the pseudo-claimed DT rather than any of your actions. The fact that you claimed it for him/her is pretty null to me, considering I think you're smart enough to know that claiming that in-thread would be the smart move regardless of your alignment.
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On August 10 2012 06:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
It doesn't sound very legit to me.
I mean, there are inherent risks involved with claiming as DT...claiming through a mason doesn't really mitigate those at all, because surreptitious behavior is often regarded as scummy rather than townie regardless of the intentions - look at the Lynch All Liars policy if you have any doubts.
While I would love nothing more than to lynch talismania, this smells funny. No offense Toad, it's more to do with the manner of the pseudo-claimed DT rather than any of your actions. The fact that you claimed it for him/her is pretty null to me, considering I think you're smart enough to know that claiming that in-thread would be the smart move regardless of your alignment.
what has my alignment to do with this?
Can we argue about wether I bussed him or genuinely wanted to lynch him after seeing him flip red pretty please?
If you believe the DT story and all your worries is MY alignment there's no reason to be afraid.
But as mentioned. I'll leave it with that as I don't know wether or not the guy is a mafia or townie. Yes either he is a mafia or Talis is a mafia but so far it could be both
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Nono, I was clarifying that I think YOUR claim is null - that what I find fishy about the situation were the actions of the mystery DT.
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On August 10 2012 06:48 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 06:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
It doesn't sound very legit to me.
I mean, there are inherent risks involved with claiming as DT...claiming through a mason doesn't really mitigate those at all, because surreptitious behavior is often regarded as scummy rather than townie regardless of the intentions - look at the Lynch All Liars policy if you have any doubts.
While I would love nothing more than to lynch talismania, this smells funny. No offense Toad, it's more to do with the manner of the pseudo-claimed DT rather than any of your actions. The fact that you claimed it for him/her is pretty null to me, considering I think you're smart enough to know that claiming that in-thread would be the smart move regardless of your alignment. what has my alignment to do with this? Can we argue about wether I bussed him or genuinely wanted to lynch him after seeing him flip red pretty please? If you believe the DT story and all your worries is MY alignment there's no reason to be afraid. But as mentioned. I'll leave it with that as I don't know wether or not the guy is a mafia or townie. Yes either he is a mafia or Talis is a mafia but so far it could be both
Also he could be DT and I'm miller.
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On August 10 2012 06:57 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 06:48 Toadesstern wrote:On August 10 2012 06:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
It doesn't sound very legit to me.
I mean, there are inherent risks involved with claiming as DT...claiming through a mason doesn't really mitigate those at all, because surreptitious behavior is often regarded as scummy rather than townie regardless of the intentions - look at the Lynch All Liars policy if you have any doubts.
While I would love nothing more than to lynch talismania, this smells funny. No offense Toad, it's more to do with the manner of the pseudo-claimed DT rather than any of your actions. The fact that you claimed it for him/her is pretty null to me, considering I think you're smart enough to know that claiming that in-thread would be the smart move regardless of your alignment. what has my alignment to do with this? Can we argue about wether I bussed him or genuinely wanted to lynch him after seeing him flip red pretty please? If you believe the DT story and all your worries is MY alignment there's no reason to be afraid. But as mentioned. I'll leave it with that as I don't know wether or not the guy is a mafia or townie. Yes either he is a mafia or Talis is a mafia but so far it could be both Also he could be DT and I'm miller.
If Toad is in contact with a DT you're lynched - there's no way you're a miller.
The question is if he's in contact with a DT or not. I think not.
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So now what, you hold the logs until tomorrow, or give them out so we can make our reads on the claim and let the scum WIFOM the shot vs the medic(s)?
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On August 10 2012 06:59 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 06:57 talismania wrote:On August 10 2012 06:48 Toadesstern wrote:On August 10 2012 06:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
It doesn't sound very legit to me.
I mean, there are inherent risks involved with claiming as DT...claiming through a mason doesn't really mitigate those at all, because surreptitious behavior is often regarded as scummy rather than townie regardless of the intentions - look at the Lynch All Liars policy if you have any doubts.
While I would love nothing more than to lynch talismania, this smells funny. No offense Toad, it's more to do with the manner of the pseudo-claimed DT rather than any of your actions. The fact that you claimed it for him/her is pretty null to me, considering I think you're smart enough to know that claiming that in-thread would be the smart move regardless of your alignment. what has my alignment to do with this? Can we argue about wether I bussed him or genuinely wanted to lynch him after seeing him flip red pretty please? If you believe the DT story and all your worries is MY alignment there's no reason to be afraid. But as mentioned. I'll leave it with that as I don't know wether or not the guy is a mafia or townie. Yes either he is a mafia or Talis is a mafia but so far it could be both Also he could be DT and I'm miller. If Toad is in contact with a DT you're lynched - there's no way you're a miller. The question is if he's in contact with a DT or not. I think not.
I dunno about "no way". Three seems really unlikely but not impossible. PS why are you being so reasonable? Confusing.
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On August 10 2012 06:59 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 06:57 talismania wrote:On August 10 2012 06:48 Toadesstern wrote:On August 10 2012 06:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
It doesn't sound very legit to me.
I mean, there are inherent risks involved with claiming as DT...claiming through a mason doesn't really mitigate those at all, because surreptitious behavior is often regarded as scummy rather than townie regardless of the intentions - look at the Lynch All Liars policy if you have any doubts.
While I would love nothing more than to lynch talismania, this smells funny. No offense Toad, it's more to do with the manner of the pseudo-claimed DT rather than any of your actions. The fact that you claimed it for him/her is pretty null to me, considering I think you're smart enough to know that claiming that in-thread would be the smart move regardless of your alignment. what has my alignment to do with this? Can we argue about wether I bussed him or genuinely wanted to lynch him after seeing him flip red pretty please? If you believe the DT story and all your worries is MY alignment there's no reason to be afraid. But as mentioned. I'll leave it with that as I don't know wether or not the guy is a mafia or townie. Yes either he is a mafia or Talis is a mafia but so far it could be both Also he could be DT and I'm miller. If Toad is in contact with a DT you're lynched - there's no way you're a miller. The question is if he's in contact with a DT or not. I think not.
Why not VE? Wouldn't it be incredibly convenient if Toad just happened to find a liar while masoning someone, and that lie just happen to implicate talismania? You seem keen in saving your buddy and voting for me while busing him.
What is bugging me still however is how Toad suddenly can't talk about the mysterious DT. Toad, did you ask him for breadcumbs and reasoning on his checks? Did he explain why would he check you, claimed mason, when the OP clearly states that DTs check roles?
If you can confirm the guy is a DT(even if you only say "np I guess he is legit") I'll support you on this one.
Pieces seem to be starting to match...
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On August 10 2012 07:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
So now what, you hold the logs until tomorrow, or give them out so we can make our reads on the claim and let the scum WIFOM the shot vs the medic(s)? IMO Toad should absolutely not out the guy. If we do, even if we lynch talis and he flips scum, our DT will die. Maybe he could give out the logs but without name? If Toad really feel that the person to claim DT is scum, then he should consider outing him and lynching him instead.
The one advantage we have with outing the guy(other than knowing who we are trusting...)is that we will have a confirmed DT if Tallis flips You could argue that he is a good medic target but we don't even know if we have a medic which makes it risky. Also scum could just perma RB the guy if they want too as well, assuming Tallis isn't the scum RB.
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On August 10 2012 07:15 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 06:59 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 10 2012 06:57 talismania wrote:On August 10 2012 06:48 Toadesstern wrote:On August 10 2012 06:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
It doesn't sound very legit to me.
I mean, there are inherent risks involved with claiming as DT...claiming through a mason doesn't really mitigate those at all, because surreptitious behavior is often regarded as scummy rather than townie regardless of the intentions - look at the Lynch All Liars policy if you have any doubts.
While I would love nothing more than to lynch talismania, this smells funny. No offense Toad, it's more to do with the manner of the pseudo-claimed DT rather than any of your actions. The fact that you claimed it for him/her is pretty null to me, considering I think you're smart enough to know that claiming that in-thread would be the smart move regardless of your alignment. what has my alignment to do with this? Can we argue about wether I bussed him or genuinely wanted to lynch him after seeing him flip red pretty please? If you believe the DT story and all your worries is MY alignment there's no reason to be afraid. But as mentioned. I'll leave it with that as I don't know wether or not the guy is a mafia or townie. Yes either he is a mafia or Talis is a mafia but so far it could be both Also he could be DT and I'm miller. If Toad is in contact with a DT you're lynched - there's no way you're a miller. The question is if he's in contact with a DT or not. I think not. Why not VE? Wouldn't it be incredibly convenient if Toad just happened to find a liar while masoning someone, and that lie just happen to implicate talismania? You seem keen in saving your buddy and voting for me while busing him. What is bugging me still however is how Toad suddenly can't talk about the mysterious DT. Toad, did you ask him for breadcumbs and reasoning on his checks? Did he explain why would he check you, claimed mason, when the OP clearly states that DTs check roles? If you can confirm the guy is a DT(even if you only say "np I guess he is legit") I'll support you on this one. Pieces seem to be starting to match... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aHSTl.png)
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So zephirdd thinks it's me + VE, VE thinks it's me + zephirdd, and I think it's VE and not zephirdd.
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