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On August 17 2012 22:55 marvellosity wrote:
Jingle, you should have NK me, not Lazer. Lazer was confirmed town but that matters for nothing if he's not going to push a mafia case hard
I was honestly hoping the lurkers would be swayed on "why the fuck would marv still be alive if this was the case".
And I hate confirmed townies. Sure, 20/20 hindsight, and I knew beforehand you were probably more of a direct threat, but I try not to underestimate people, and Lazer can be fairly bright, even if he sucks at convincing people. Giving him confirmed townie status seemed iffy, even if he was insisting on not seeing me as scummy.
Was an educated gamble that went bad.
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On August 17 2012 23:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 23:25 strongandbig wrote:On August 17 2012 22:54 marvellosity wrote:On August 17 2012 22:50 strongandbig wrote:
I think that was a mistake Jingle - there's a difference between being a confirmed townie and being able to bully everyone else into agreeing with you.
Although tbh I don't think marvellosity was doing that very effectively - imo it was the scumslip that bke found that sealed the deal, up until that point I would've lynched marv first over you had I been alive. why do people give such little credit to actions taken :< if i were mafia i would have had to have taken the decision to start bussing people hard in a situation where it was totally unnecessary. it makes so little sense to me how people could view it that way. it's totally your scum meta though being a huge jerk to town and bussing all your crappy teammates it's the marvellosity way nuh-uh, my scum meta is to do what is necessary to win. In LIV when it was just me and froggynoddy after the modkills, I protected him for all I was worth because I needed us both alive. Just as a small note to everyone - despite how we went at each other in the thread, Jingle and I have always gotten on pretty well and that still remains the case.
Indeed. I just had townie meta to try and live up to. Convincing lurking townies to vote for the right guy is always a shitstorm.
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On August 17 2012 23:46 Zephirdd wrote:
Jingle, if there is one thing I believe, is that meta is pure bullshit :D
Sure you can determine some players on meta, but you aren't the case. You barely had 5 games played; it's the most volatile part of your meta, and you can't be accused out of it. If you play a game as town, don't ever post thinking "but I need to live to my meta" because it's simply wrong. If people try to accuse you over meta, show them their logic is wrong in this case.
That's my 2 cents
My meta is the primary reason Marv knew to lynch me.
And I don't worry about meta as town, I just acknowledge it. But as scum, it's easy to slip into a holding pattern, like I did. Due to some assistance from townies who didn't want to listen to the nublet, it didn't look scummy, but since Marv knew a townie jingle would never do that, and he knew I would have murdered VE, he knew to push me.
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On August 18 2012 02:42 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 22:54 JingleHell wrote:On August 17 2012 22:50 strongandbig wrote:
I think that was a mistake Jingle - there's a difference between being a confirmed townie and being able to bully everyone else into agreeing with you.
Although tbh I don't think marvellosity was doing that very effectively - imo it was the scumslip that bke found that sealed the deal, up until that point I would've lynched marv first over you had I been alive. The "case" marv started with was pure fluff. He already planned to make the real one he came back to. His "reaction fishing" was just to get the means to convince the lurkers to vote for me. Any reaction, no matter what, can be made into a spectacle to convince lurkers to vote the right way for the wrong reasons. I don't think that was the case at all. I wasn't following this game, but I was talking to marv and he linked me that case when he made it. Just reading through it, it felt strong enough to me (without going back and reading the rest of the thread) to make you scummy. Your interactions with VE were damning. The fact that you started throwing a shitfit about it instead of even ATTEMPTING to defend yourself was just icing on the cake. E: Also, I think you need to get away from the shitfit meta. I know thats what you do, but you're not going to be able to bully around vets with it like you were in newbie games.
I don't bully anyone. The case was nonsense in the context of the thread. Without knowing that it was horribly out of character for me (you're also aware of this) it wouldn't have seemed particularly bad. Most people missed it entirely, because they pushed me out of the thread.
Also, if you look through the game, acting like I'm the only person who ever got pissed about a "right person wrong reason" or "wrong person right reason" lynch is ridiculous. I point you to Zeph, WBG, VE...
It's kind of a normal reaction. Also, I've never "bullied" people around with it. The success has always come from smacking people over the head with the obvious, sometimes dumbed down a bit until they understand it. The getting pissed part has never been productive. I just had no choice but to do it since Marv was reaction fishing, but it wouldn't have mattered.
Marv's ORIGINAL poke at me, before he actually made a case, during the night, was terrible, and had I been town, I'd have targeted anyone doing a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" emotion-exploiting case.
See Newbie XVIII where I ripped Vivax apart with just enough plausible deniability to finish things out.
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On August 18 2012 03:37 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 03:28 BroodKingEXE wrote:
About the QT maybe Skype groups might work. yeah thought about that myself. The only thing that really gets in the way of that is someone clicking the wrong guy and sending a message to someone who's in the same game you're in but not mafia as well, but that'd be your own fault :p Other than that, I guess changing your nick in QT's, telling people who everyone is via pm's and only talking about people using those fakenicks should probably work as well, shouldn't it?
If I was in the scum QT and that was happening, I'd just look for correlations. "Oh damn dude, you slipped hard" or "shit we need to NK X" would make it fairly easy.
By the time you succesfully obfuscate the QT, you'd be better off just using another method of communication.
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On August 18 2012 04:46 strongandbig wrote:
or you could just be careful not to let your qt get googled.
That too.
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On August 18 2012 05:17 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I find it funny but PMs are easier to read motives than Skype mason-wise.
Less likely to get a direct slip, but yes, stuff people take time to compose is more likely to show a hidden agenda.
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