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I don't watch the show, but I'll /in.
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On July 24 2012 08:54 ghost_403 wrote:
It's okay, JingleHell, neither do I. Of couse, I've actually got a good excuse; my refrigerator box doesn't have a TV. WHAT'S YOUR EXCUSE.
Permission to modkill JingleHell for failing to watch Mad Men?
My excuse is that me and my wife don't spend money on cable because we hate most of the shows?
Our only TV is my primary PC display.
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On July 24 2012 09:10 ghost_403 wrote:
And now I feel bad T_T
Why? We choose not to spend money on cable so we can spend it on other shit. Personal preference.
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So since roles haven't been handed out yet, I'ma play the noob card now, since it should be safer... just recently died in my final newbie game 
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Totally not on the agenda.
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I've been requested as a replacement for another (already going) newbie game since I'm just coming out of newbie games, I've got the time to do two at once, but if the host prefers not to have me in both, I'll happily switch to replacement list.
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On August 02 2012 07:20 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 06:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 02 2012 00:17 strongandbig wrote:On August 01 2012 23:43 Erandorr wrote:
bc y u no start game dnd bro. Gotta paralyze your friends and throw them down a well so they can "explore" it. actually wait a minute, dnd mafia would be sick Paralyze? thats for sissies. Making them fall prone and constant stabbing of their near defenseless bodies is where its at. Worst thing are bitches trolling everyone with charisma things. "What? How in the world is he able to bluff me into thinking we're standing in front of the holy cockroach temple. That makes no sense at all, didn't you give him a hell of mali on that roll? - Sure, he still roled a 67 and made you believe it, so from now on you think this is the holy temple of the cockroaches - How in the world is he able to get a 67 on bluffing?" You can make people do whatever you want them to do with enough charisma as long as you max out bluffing . Actually using skills (spells or fights I guess?) is lame to make people do something :p + Show Spoiler [Mr. Bearington] +
Most underused and overpowered skills in the game. And there's nothing funnier than punishing people for building combat wombats full of cheese. I told them it was an evil campaign, and they'd have the potential to cause paranoia, but nooo, Charisma is a dump stat.
As it turns out, they had a hell of a time until the campaign tapered off because they all stopped thinking the setting sounded cool when they realized I had actually meant it.
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On August 02 2012 08:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 08:00 BioSC wrote:
Reading through people's DnD antics make me feel like my campain was boring and useless lol. I am about to send my players into my realm of shadow. They will be doing a shite ton of fighting to get "epic loot" only to get a shift to another plane for their efforts. FEAR THE DM FOR HE IS POWAFUL Also, they have still yet to realize the first bit of magic gear I gave them is cursed, luls ftw
It really is more fun if the DM is out to get you.
I still remember my Doppelganger druid. Didn't end up working out so well as a bad guy plot, but it was funny as hell when the good guys were suddenly trying to figure out why random bad shit kept happening after we made camp.
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I'm totally ready. Can we policy lynch BlazingHand for being a putz and not playing?
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On August 03 2012 10:34 prplhz wrote:
And we're off.
This is a 23 player game and I will not be able to handle it if there is a 130 page spamfest between a couple of people before night1. Seriously, condense your god damn posting. That said, there's also a couple of new/newer people on the list. You guys remember to post your thoughts and stuff on the game. No one here bites.
Do you bite if we ask nicely?
Zephirdd, don't you think there's danger of an early bandwagon voting with no cause like that? It's hard to defend yourself against a vote for no reason.
FoS Zephirdd
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On August 03 2012 10:41 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 10:36 JingleHell wrote:On August 03 2012 10:34 prplhz wrote:
And we're off.
This is a 23 player game and I will not be able to handle it if there is a 130 page spamfest between a couple of people before night1. Seriously, condense your god damn posting. That said, there's also a couple of new/newer people on the list. You guys remember to post your thoughts and stuff on the game. No one here bites. Do you bite if we ask nicely? Zephirdd, don't you think there's danger of an early bandwagon voting with no cause like that? It's hard to defend yourself against a vote for no reason. FoS Zephirdd What. If you really think an early bandwagon would come from a vote like that, then you are silly. He doesn't even have to defend himself against non-existant accusations. ##unvote
##vote JingleHell
1: Random vote
2: OMGUS Vote
You're off to a great start.
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As much as information can only help our standing against the scum, wouldn't claims just give them targets? Sure, it gives us the potential to confirm some townies earlier, but if we lose backchannel communication, it could hurt us in the long run, and we might only confirm townies through flips.
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Why even bring it up if you're against it?
It seems like this version of a mason really gets exponentially stronger the longer they're active, so I'd probably be against it too.
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On August 03 2012 11:37 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm town.
for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. lets start this game right ## VOTE: WBG
We don't even have much discussion yet, but you still ignored it. Why?
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On August 03 2012 21:13 Toadesstern wrote:I'm more interested in VE's intentions actually. - Did he mason someone randomly from the get go? Why wasn't he afraid to randomly hit mafia at all? WBG can be pretty manipulative
- If it was not from the get-go VE probably had a town-read on WBG. If that's the case VE should have no problem at all telling people why he thinks WBG to be town. Someone masoning without even being able to explain why is the most suspicious thing in the world. So VE SHOULD have told WBG why he thinks that he's town if that's really the case.
- Did VE explain why he masoned you WBG?
I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up.
This seemed off because he seemed to have stopped for the night by the time I went to sleep. So, I looked. Sure enough, you start posting a case 7 hours and change after VE's last post, you vote somewhere in the 8ish hour range, and say you want fast answers 9 hours after his last post.
Asking for an answer quick is one thing if he's posting, but this seems a bit pushy. Trying to force the issue with someone who hasn't posted in hours and use that to make them look scummy?
I can't speak for his motives, because they sure as hell don't make much sense to me yet, but yours just seem scummy.
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Ah. My apologies. Maybe I should finish my caffeine, I missed that.
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On August 04 2012 04:19 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 04:11 Toadesstern wrote:
Although the updated list would probably be:
Talis
Prplhz
Zephirdd
VE
WBG
EWBOP Forgot bugs Thing is: Last time I checked my nickname it wasn't foolishness so again, I think someone is playing weird on purpose Not to mention that prplhz+WBG+VE would be OP as fuck.
Got it, you sort of suspect everyone, which is convenient if someone flips red.
And, of course, even though Zeph hasn't contributed much, I can't help but notice Sloosh targets his list post, but doesn't mind yours.
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And what was so lousy about my response? Just being dismissive?
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Wow, Erandorr.
On August 04 2012 08:23 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 08:16 Hier wrote:I am so impressed, Erandorr, you are so elaborate. Nobody even remotely suspects you of being mafia. You painted yourself to be a very big opponent of mason claims. + Show Spoiler [As seen here] +On August 03 2012 12:26 Erandorr wrote:YO talismania : wtf Show nested quote +Mason is kind of worthless for town and at face value is little different than a vanilla townie.
--A normal pair of masons have the benefit of knowing that one person is definitively town, and being able to claim that later. There is no such guarantee in this game. It's just like posting in the thread with someone except without anyone else seeing it, plus they're going to be extra suspicious of you. Of course you can glean a lot of information just by talking as well, which is a plus regardless. So lets see. Townie masons are kind of bad because all you can do is privatly talk to someone to get information and a feeling of not some random player, but someone you want to talk to more? Also explain the bolded part please. Why are you focused on how a town mason is looking trying to get information? Show nested quote +2) Mason is kind of a worthless role for scum.
--A scum mason is an annoying role to play. Do you pick townies, a scumbuddy, etc. What do you say to whom you buddy, each day? Seems fraught. Are you serious? Can you really think of no reason how a scum mason could be useful? Show nested quote +3) One interesting point is that if there is a town mason, there's likely a scum mason. Given the setup description, I find it hard to believe in fact that this would not be the case. This makes the role doubly poisonous/useless for scum. As it stands now, there are 5 scum and 19 townies (25%). If all the masons claim, and scum claims with them, I'm betting it's closer to 50/50 ratio. Maybe 2 town, 2 scum. That's shit for scum, so they won't want to claim. Except that they might think if they don't claim those that do are going to get too much town cred and yadda yadda.
Yeah those kind of speculations always work out and are totally valid and never before produced complete retard lynches! Show nested quote +4) So why not have them claim? Sounds fine to me but I don't think it's necessary either.
Okay. So would I be correct in saying that you think the mason role is so shitty that having it claimed wouldn't really help anyways, so why bother? If I misunderstood feel free to elaborate. Show nested quote +5) If you are masoned for the day - you MUST claim. There is no reason not to claim that. And save your logs and communications, because that shit needs to end up in the thread eventually.
Why? I can think of reasons not to claim that, actually. And just because you can do something doesn't really mean you should , right? But mafia either already knows who the masons are by receiving PMs, or sleep soundly at night knowing the masons are bickering among the townies in private, accusing each other of being scum behind each others' backs. Along comes WBG and gives away VE, to which you replied: On August 03 2012 20:54 Erandorr wrote:
any reason why you would out VE as mason this early? I mean thats kind of retarded. WBG confirms his stance on revealing masons, and has already done so in practice with an attitude that would assure anyone that he would easily do it again. + Show Spoiler [Here] +On August 03 2012 21:10 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 20:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
Pot calling the kettle black...
Let me break this down into simpler terms for you (and I thought that wasn't possible!)
1. Being a mason isn't alignment indicative (therefore outting a mason is rather worthless)
2. The playerbase of this game will not understand stuff unless it's obviously stated.
3. If we are both town then mafia will strongly consider shooting one of us. Which means that we will make good protects. Which means that it potentially forces mafia to shoot suboptimally. Sorry wbg, I am just too retarded to understand you. Within the same hour you mason WBG and get your role revealed. This warrants WBG's reveal of your role being anti-town; your role specifically, revealing VE was just "retarded", not necessarily anti-town. If you had filed your mason request before WBG revealed VE, he would have revealed both of you at the same time. BC was online at the time, as per his voting thread announcement, allowing for all of this to happen in rapid succession. You have abused WBG's rash decision making to your advantage, which I commend. + Show Spoiler [Time of BC's post] +On August 03 2012 21:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Please move all voting into the voting thread I just created Here
Thank you Erandorr's reasonings: + Show Spoiler [Here] +On August 03 2012 23:53 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:51 strongandbig wrote:On August 03 2012 21:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Erandorr just masoned me. Dunno if he's scum or just dumb though.
Also I didn't ask either of them before outting them. errandorr I was kind of hoping you would address this without being prompted but... I wanted to see if he did it again, considering I know my alignment. Its a completely anti town move . Give me one reason why not to hammer wbg right now please. On August 04 2012 01:37 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 01:31 talismania wrote:On August 04 2012 00:39 talismania wrote:On August 03 2012 23:53 Erandorr wrote:On August 03 2012 23:51 strongandbig wrote:On August 03 2012 21:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Erandorr just masoned me. Dunno if he's scum or just dumb though.
Also I didn't ask either of them before outting them. errandorr I was kind of hoping you would address this without being prompted but... I wanted to see if he did it again, considering I know my alignment. Its a completely anti town move . Give me one reason why not to hammer wbg right now please. can you walk me through your thought process a little more? It seemed like you were against masons being in public given your agreement with toad. So why did you risk outing yourself? Its a completely anti town move to out people like that without thoughts on alignment or actually any information. They may have been context with VE, but I thought of it as trading my role for confirming wbg as scum. it is that easy. On August 04 2012 01:40 Erandorr wrote:
EBWOP: at that point I wasnt actually certain that wbg was scum at all.
Something else I would like to point out that fucks over wbgs shitty logic even more, he pretended to give reasons on why he outed VE. Now what exactly were his reasons to out me , assuming he is town? He seems to think that I am town, so why do that to me?
Suddenly you become the victim of something you, apparently, could not forsee, making you look town. You try to convince people that WBG's move was anti-town, while the move against VE "may have been context", or was just "retarded", but not anti-town yet. It doesn't even matter whether WBG is town or mafia! He could be scum, and you may have asked him to rat you out without you even being a mason. I don't know. But you, Erandorr, I am very impressed with. That was clever. I will strive to be like you in the future. Dear god I hope you are trolling
That's a whole lot of case to dismiss like that, especially if you turn around and try to aim at someone else, like this...
On August 04 2012 08:34 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 08:17 Zephirdd wrote:@Erandorr 1. I said the people mason'd shouldn't claim "I was mason'd" because of this: The biggest issue: If you are masoned you don't claim. Ever. If you are masoned you either got masoned because someone thinks you're scum and wants to sacrifice himself to catch you with a trap in PM-Land for a 1v1 trade (highly unlikely but possible) or you got masoned because the guy thinks it's highly likely you are town and wants to talk with you to get another point of view on reads, to make sure he stays objective. So claiming you got masoned is basicly telling mafia "sup, someone think's I'm the most likely guy to be a townie IN THE GAME. Pretty please don't shoot me though". I don't like outing townreads and I don't like outing the strongest townread someone has either. by Toad However, this only applies when you are claiming that YOU YOURSELF were masoned. I admit I didn't put proper thought on this, but wbg says nicely when he says that now medics have their targets and now scum are forced to shot sub-optimaly. A scum mason fears being outed because that will put him on the spotlight for the whole game. That's not exactly what scum wants. Also, a medic's biggest dilemma is "who to save". When they have their "MUST SAVE" targets and scum are forced to shot suboptimaly, they are doing their job. Besides, there is always the WIFOM for both medic and scum "but what if I protect someone else because they think he will be save/but what if I shoot him because the medic will prot someone else"; In my opinion, this kind of WIFOM benefits the medic(and town) more than scum who either have to take a chance or shoot a really bad target. Also, as long as only wbg did it and only now, I guess there is no problem with it. Now, one odd thing is that wbg has been away for some time already. I usually don't like to think a vet would play badly. Him going away is bad for him being scum AND town. Maybe I'm wrong after all? :S No Zephirdd, thats not what you said. You said that masons should not claim unless their life depended on it. I have it as a quote in my post, buddy. I am going to try this one more time. Slowly. Hang on.
##Vote Erandorr
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On August 04 2012 13:59 grush57 wrote:
HOOK LINE SINKER WBG, MY TOWN META IS STARSENSES
Tell me, do you ever not sound like you skipped the paper bag and just ate the model glue instead?
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