On July 23 2012 04:43 tube wrote: I said more than that.
Did i play the best no (even though the perfect one made 2 perfect reads on jingle and yourharry before anyone else) but im gonna at least im gonna go down swinging. If your town join in the conversation even if you dont agree with the other people are saying.
As far as I'm concerned you piled your vote onto YourHarry and doubted jingle's motives until well after he claimed JK with the crumb... How does that constitute a 'perfect read' - it had to be spelled out for you. You were pretty far from the truth in both cases.
You do realize the perfect gimmick is kind of my "thing" right.
@Perfection, there are a couple things you've brought up. 1 is my "trap" set for calgar. I originally suspected you two of bussing from the start, especially after calgar neglected to really push for your lynch day1.
I was starting to think of the scum team as whole and i think we may be possibly giving them to much credit. Looking back at the drwiggles situation against jingle it dosent really make sense what he did. As calgar pointed out earlier when i had read jingle as town it should have been obvious to almost everyone including the scumteam that jingle was confirmed townie. Also he had to be kill choice that night so why bother making comments like drwigles did when you knew you were going to likely have to kill him anyways. I made a similar point in which i defended yourharry when he was underfire but maybe my thinking is wrong and the reason for drwiggles poor play is due to possible inactiveness of his fellow scum players.
Maybe the reason they were sitting back was how we were all going at each others throats. Jingle @ yoyrharry jingle@ hapa well jingle @ everyone really the calga hopeless me hate triangle. Perhaps they thought we would just kill ourselves off.
Going from this logic perhaps its more simple than we thought and 2 of the scum players are among the most inactive between fulla and tube
Ill put speedbump seperatly because he seems to be doing a better job than those 2 in at least giving us a little something to go off of. However it would support my theory of a directionless scum team that a player was replaced due to inactivity.
@tube if your town i know you have a tool avaliable to you that your not using he is lonely and has nothing better to do use it.
On July 23 2012 22:19 tube wrote: I didn't jump on the obvious bandwagon I saw reasons of my own to vote him and I think I was the second vote on him. Wiggles was definitely going to die that day so I voted perfection to show that I still thought of him as scum.
"honestly mafia is laughing at you" wasn't at wiggles read the context again
its crap like this man it would have taken two seconds to go back and you would have seen i was the second vote on obcious.
Also it was sure thing that drwiggle was going to be lynched when you voted for me? Try again go look back he had 0 votes when you voted for me. So unless you had the gift of foresight you couldnt have known and why would you lie about it now?
On July 22 2012 14:31 iamperfection wrote: time= 1 am
condition= intoxicated
casino winnings= $300
Capitalization randomizer= operaTiOnal
Spell cehk = off
Grammer check= unlikely to not be on
log entry
Return from casino in great mood wons lots of money hit straight flush in 3 card poker. Return to accusations against the perfect one.. NoT cool. Hoever condition allows me to see things more clearly i see the end game i see the light i see what i have been looking. For.
In the event that YourHarry is lynched, I don't see a solid target to go after tomorrow no matter what he flips. If iamperfection is lynched and flips town, that's almost an autolynch on calgar. If drwiggl3s is lynched, I actually do think there is a good chance that he's scum based on the case you just made.
Overall you haven't done much for town. You're scummier to me than tube, or anyone else in the game right now. I don't think pursuing your lynch is a waste of time at all. It should generate some discussion and hopefully confirm some reads going into the next day, even if we end up lynching someone else
[/gives calgar a cookie] I'm willing to get behind this vote, but calgar, I disagree with using the phrase 'confirmed' on most of us except YourHarry. Any one of us could be scum as far as I'm concerned. In the event that iamperfection flips town, I will consider you heavily implicated, despite the fact that you have played an active town role that has helped overall. You, me, Hapa, and speedbump are all candidates to be considered scum.
You son of a bitch @ calgar
This was the response
On July 23 2012 06:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
@Perfection, there are a couple things you've brought up. 1 is my "trap" set for calgar. I originally suspected you two of bussing from the start, especially after calgar neglected to really push for your lynch day1.
Now ive been trying to wrap my had around this answer. So he admidts that there is a trap for both me and calgar but ive been thinking what kind of town player would set a trap? As hopeless has so greately reminded the town that there is likely no dt he has no extra information. There is no reason for regular town player to set traps since really almost always we are just making educated guesses.Why put your fellow town players at risk when for making a misread? Plus he was somewhat liberal with the truth in the second part of the statement. calgar has basically tried to get me killed at every point in the game he really hasent pushed of at all untill now.
@hopeless ive been reading your defense and i think you did a good job in defending yourself. Ive been rereading filters and i want to bring this up
On July 21 2012 13:20 Hopeless1der wrote: As a note regarding Jingle's request for protection, I really doubt we have a medic and a jailkeeper. Jailer can be used to simulate a medic if used correctly, and the balance of this game would be insanely town favored if we had both imo. Can scum KP be roleblocked? Because that's probably your only way to survive until tomorrow Jingle.
Now when you think about i think this was a honest mistake by hopeless and was silly to mention in the thread even tugh it was true. However why in the world would a scum player bring this up? The scum player would want jingle to feel a flase sense of security and therfore not put his cards on the table. If jingle knows hes going to die hes going to get all possible information out there in order to help the town in order to win.
Now i know you might think my actions are scummy and you think me and calgar are bot scum but we can cross that bridge whe we come to it.
In the mean time i will continue to try and hunt and i think a certian someone has beenflying under the radar.
On July 23 2012 14:01 Speedbump wrote: @Hapahauli: While I'm still suspicious of iamperfection, the cases posted against Tube are very compelling. Tube has spent no time defending himself and sounds like a mafia dying as quiet as possible.
@Hopeless1der: Based on level of suspiciousness each player has, the most probable mafia is tube, Fulla being the secondmost.
Tube is still posting in a manner that makes it very hard to believe that he could be anything other than mafia. Fulla has spent even less time posting towards helping town, mainly avoiding conversation by lurking and posting one-liners. The only time Fulla has tried to help town is through relentless railing of Hopeless1der, who I have a very good town read on.
@YourHarry: I also find the interactions between drwiggl3s and tube to be rather weird. I do not see a town tube to be so willing in his complacency in actively hunting mafia. With these two posts tube made in Day 1, with the post analysis, the second post makes me adamant that tube is mafia.
On July 17 2012 06:05 tube wrote: wait what? how is it mathematically sound to just lynch someone because you think their "active lurking" is an attitude that hurts town (explain how i am doing this) there are 12 people and you want to use the first lynch to get rid of me for sure on a petty basis
On July 17 2012 06:05 tube wrote: ebwop after my 4th line: even if im town
As such, ##Vote tube.
This is his only real post and he dosent really add anything new to the table.
For someone that
On July 21 2012 19:11 Speedbump wrote:
I'm going to re-read everything tonight, and hopefully be caught up a few hours before the end of night. (
You would think he would have a little bit more to say on matters. I want to hear what his thought are on the current situation as soon as possible. I know hes a replacement but this is crunch time we need more information out of him.
On July 26 2012 00:08 Hopeless1der wrote: Here's my problem with voting for a No-Lynch. We'd need to be prepared for the last minute vote from scum, because its plurality and they might be able to sneak the mislynch in today. I'm usually available at deadline, but I can't guarantee it, and I don't want to even give scum the chance to pull a fast one. If we can get 5 of us to agree to be around at the deadline I'll consider it.
If you and me switch to no lynch that cant happen. that would bring it to 5 if a "town" speed bump randomly voted for someone and if the two scum switched no lynch would still win.
On July 26 2012 09:55 Speedbump wrote: I lost internet for roughly two days, only got it back today. T_T
First of all, Vote No Lynch. I honestly had massive suspicions of Fulla, but I lost internet access half-way through making a case on him. I agree that the safest course of action that town has is to go with a No Lynch. It means that town can play much more cautiously and still win.
My role is Senior.
At the risk of OMGUS, I think that this post from calgar is over-assumptive.
On July 26 2012 03:54 calgar wrote: My play has definitely been reckless. I’ve been aggressive and posted reads and made mistakes. That’s been the same all game long. I was grasping at straws when I tried to read in hopeless, kind of like with my attempted meta-analysis of iamperfection. Here’s my new case.
I’ve rethought what I think about hopeless and him calling out that there was no doctor. Jingle knew there might not be a doctor but he tried to stay alive by ‘requesting’ it nevertheless. Hopeless points out that there probably isn’t one. Jingle is mad because hopeless has just killed whatever small chance jingle had of living to the next day. I think mafia wouldn’t have wanted jingle to be warned so explicitly. Maybe he still had some hope left and might not have done anything productive at night. I’ll stop here because it descends into even more WIFOM but I think hopeless is town because of this.
Now, town should 100% no lynch. Whoever mafia hits, even Harry who we have strong feelings about, the field will be narrower and there is one less person to hide behind. Town will have a good chance at getting mafia lynched and that will bring it to 3-1, still very winnable. Mafia wants to lynch today and for people to get overzealous and go for their reads prematurely. Town needs to play logically here. Logic says no lynch is the best call statistically.
My case now is against our replacement. Whatever you think about me, I think there is a better case for him. I think the burden is on the replacer to clear their name with aggressive posting and reads. I think if he were town he would have tried much harder to do so. Wouldn’t you if you had replaced in? This isn’t someone like tube who signed up and then gave up. He signed up as a replacement and then accepted it. I think he should care more considering he joined recently. He should have been posting much more, except for the fact that he hasn’t needed to since lurking would have almost won with people lynching on MYLO. He left us dangling with a promise to return. iamperfection is on the right track for calling him out.
It’s interesting that mafia didn’t kill harry OR Speedbump-- not shooting Harry was a gamble, since he’s confirmed townie, to try and get a mislynch. Speedbump, though, as a replacement, traditionally gets the ‘benefit of the doubt’ and wouldn’t be lynched at LYLO. Mafia has definitely thought of this! viscera would have thought of it, and they are probably aware of it from guides also. Replacement townies are a huge liability for the mafia-- speedbump being alive should be very suspicious + everything else added on.
Bolded the logical flaw I see in your post. It's much easier to make assumptions about how replacements play, instead of actually playing the game. To answer your flawed analysis there; unless the player pre-replacement plays exceptionally poorly, I don't think that the replacement has any onus of burden to defend himself overzealously, like you're implying. In fact, overzealous play causes more problems for town, with potential mislynches.
But then, when one is reckless and grasping at straws the whole game, it would be easier to make more brash and reckless assumptions to mislynch and win. Have you got anything substantial to go on, or is this all purely WIFOM?
On July 21 2012 04:38 calgar wrote: I'll agree with you that drwiggles is a good lynch right now. Is he better than harry though? I'm planning to move my vote away from iamperfection - I may have come up with a solution to him, I'll post more on that in a little. Harry under fire has given us good reads on how several people have reacted.
On July 23 2012 04:43 tube wrote: I said more than that.
Did i play the best no (even though the perfect one made 2 perfect reads on jingle and yourharry before anyone else) but im gonna at least im gonna go down swinging. If your town join in the conversation even if you dont agree with the other people are saying.
As far as I'm concerned you piled your vote onto YourHarry and doubted jingle's motives until well after he claimed JK with the crumb... How does that constitute a 'perfect read' - it had to be spelled out for you. You were pretty far from the truth in both cases.
Its funny that you would make fun of me saying that my read had to be spelled out for me when we look back it seems it wasen't so obvious at the time for you. Why is that Mr. Calgar? This as other pointed out is a scum slip in my eyes.
the first post is the most daming evidence against you and i will be very reluctant following any type of case you put forth. Calgar is scum and my eyes and we should lynch him and move forward from there.
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