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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
Guys Chez is the most Pro Town player this game, take a moment and read what he says any you will find enlightenment. First it seems that the only day or night KP is a single Nuke, and guess who has that, Kurumi. DO you really think that it would be given to scum in this setup and not town? Second, the whole case against him is how he responded to the sandroba text, and while mafia would have went with it, guess what I think a town might would have as well. It is easy for me to say I would have told town, but would I have, what if it as a mason group, etc... I can see someone knowing they were town going along with it for the moment. Third we really want to hit Scum leaders, So I think Kurumi deserves a reprieve and we start judging based on actions and not that he went along with a received PM. If he keeps up scummy then yes lets kill him, otherwise lets actually go for a lynch today instead of mindlessly trying to kill K. Now it is time time to look at alternatives. Sadly the person I was sheeping died. But my fellow emplyees I ask you, why did he die? DO not let the Kurumi distract you, someone was murdered last night and it was for a reason. That reason was because he was on the tail of high level scum. The CEO knows only three scum, himself and 2 others, using that infrmation he chose to save someone. Who was it? Here are some WBG hit lists: Blazinghand layabout Meapak_Ziphh syllogism ##vote Austinmcc As for scum given how blatant their behavior seems I think the simplest route is to kill the confirmed ones first and then the scumreads that multiple people agree upon. Right now ignoring Zealos and Kurumi that looks like: Foolishness GGQ Meapak Layabout And potentially: Katina Now they wouldn't kill him for the BlazingHand or Kurumi vote, Even the Foolishness vote is being headed up strongly by others. Who on this list would gain the most by a dead WBG??? Here I will let him tell you who it was: On July 18 2012 07:45 wherebugsgo wrote: man why must this always be so hard -_- Maybe the safest choice is killing layabout after all I had motive, but I still needed facts to prove layabouts guilt. it is with this in mind that I began the laborious process of examining everything we had on file about this man. On July 17 2012 06:32 layabout wrote: If sandroba can message people why did he reveal his power after outing a single player that he could have pushed without revealing his power? On July 17 2012 07:00 layabout wrote: Sandro why did you claim that you could trick mafia into revealing themselves when you had only tricked one player? PSA: No talking to kurumi and spamming up the thread! On July 17 2012 07:00 layabout wrote: Sandro why did you claim that you could trick mafia into revealing themselves when you had only tricked one player? PSA: No talking to kurumi and spamming up the thread! Nothing of substance posted yet, but sometimes lack of evidence can be evidence itself. Why did they just bleach and clean the trunk of their car? In the same way someone cleansing their own posts can point towards guilt. On July 18 2012 03:04 layabout wrote: bah Sandro town Kurumi scum. I must be over thinking things since none of you questioned mafia following a two line message of questionable intent when mafia can only have sent up to 3 messages that could have been as long as they liked and would have been their only method of communication. Are we ignoring the nuke and just killing Kurumi then? lol Here we see he has possible doubts about the Kurumi case, but look his resolution is to not talk to K. How do you find the truth if you are going to gag the victim? you can't. On July 18 2012 10:35 layabout wrote: Not game relevant: I think i am going to take a break from TL mafia. I had looked forward to this game for some time but now it's happening i can't bring myself to care. At some point during the last game something inside just snapped. There were a number of reasons for it and i was going to make a thread but then real life kicked in and i haven't had the time. Yesterday was my first day back to myself and i spent most of it away from my computer and most of my computer time on Blacklight: Retibution. In spite of this i hate nothing more than asshats that don't play or people that are exempt from trying/playing because "It's player soandso" so i will try. After i die i will bugger off. I began writing a long post but i am tired and it reads like dogpoo. Following sandro since the last time... well it worked out pretty well for town. ##vote gonzaw I am not sure how he can think that both foolishness and syllogism are scum. He seems to be looking at the thread from a very different viewpoint. Excuses, Mafia love them to justify bad play. Here he admits he doesn't care about the outcome, but since he is bored that it is ok. Lets cut this guy some slack, he just doesn't feel it this game, yeah i don't think so either. The rest of his posts comprise him saying to keep ignoring Kurumi. He still hasn't had a single case, his vote yesterday was: "Following sandro since the last time... well it worked out pretty well for town.##vote gonzaw" Prefaced with "I began writing a long post but i am tired and it reads like dogpoo." I would like to see at least something pointing towards a candidate he would liek to kill besides Kurumi ##Vote Layabout | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
Also, do we really not have a vigilante? I still need to catch up since yesterday. I would've expected kurumi to be dead by now. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
based on the informations we already got: kurumi had a nuke, rol had a useless nuke, wbg was pardoner, bm claims to have this voterig/dayabilitysteal-power and sandrobas ability, i guess many players have little abilitys like that. i am pretty confident, that we have some sort of extra kp. keeping in mind that our lynch where we're 2/3 to 1/3 and have to get 1/2 on our lynchtarget is a pretty bad instrument. however scum obv has only one or two kp, too. assuming kurumi is scum, they even have a daykill ability. (what makes sense with only 1night kp). the problem might have been that every kp-owner thought another one would already do the job. usually you dont get your kp back if the target is already dead right? i've actually never been vigilante lol i am a little bit mad at myself for not directing the blues last night. actually something like "vigs in the upper half of the playerlist shoot kurumi" could have helped :-o haha, i originally wanted to start yelling at our vigs for letting kurumi stay alive. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On July 19 2012 23:32 Palmar wrote: meh layabout isn't scum. Also, do we really not have a vigilante? I still need to catch up since yesterday. I would've expected kurumi to be dead by now. Why layabout isn't scum? You haven't given many reasons for most of your reads so far. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On July 20 2012 00:04 Kurumi wrote: Why layabout isn't scum? You haven't given many reasons for most of your reads so far. Palmar: I guess I'm also reconsidering layabout. It'd be very low play from him to write that frustration post to get stuff off him as mafia, and I genuinely don't think he's an asshole. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
I like the idea of rastaban being scum. His latest post completely misunderstanding layabout's intentions with his frustration post only reinforces that idea. I don't think there's much to discuss about foolishness. It's so ridiculously clear he's scum. BlazingHand is almost definitely town. I have no idea how and why he almost got lynched on day one. I haven't found the time to take a thorough look at the wagon that formed on him to weed out the dumb from the scum. And most of the scum is in pretty plain sight anyway. Syllogism is scum this game. I usually find him pretty easy to read and he's completely delivering this game. The only thing that's somewhat questionable is if his raging about the setup and such is genuine. Problem for him is, he has to make dumb calls as scum, which is why he's doing stuff like this: On July 19 2012 07:08 syllogism wrote: Assuming? Sounds off for town palmar. The rest of this post too. You have been pretty distant for someone who should consider sandroba 100% confirmed town by now and me close to that (to you). This is funny because I already clarified (in a conversation with him) my thoughts on sandroba, see here: On July 17 2012 23:26 Palmar wrote: Well prove you're not. I admit, there is not much to do other than lynch kurumi at the moment, and I also know that if I'm right you've been pushed into a very uncomfortable position due to sandroba's status atm. Any judgements you make will be reviewed by sandroba who is almost guaranteed to be town. Sandro's basically confirmed town. I know that, and syllo knows that. For those who still don't get it, the meaning of the sentence I wrote, and syllo attacked was "Given that sandroba must be town ...." not "If sandroba happens to be town .... " But syllo probably knows this anyway, which is why he finds it reasonable to attack me in this way: On July 19 2012 08:21 syllogism wrote: Pretty sure palmar is mafia as well. Some of his posts are very reasonable and I even agree with the a lot of content, but his tone and attitude is off. He is also putting in as little effort as possible and basically ignoring me and sandroba despite even at one point calling sandroba confirmed town. Yes this is a very lazy "case" and he probably won't be a lynch candidate tomorrow. I'm ignoring you for the most part syllo. I don't think I'm ignoring sandroba. Although I did miss most of yesterday in the thread. Gonzaw is scum too. If anyone doubts it, I had the unpleasant experience of playing against him when he was town in a recent mafia game. I was mafia that game. His style was completely different in that game, focused and really scary. I'm not seeing any of the aggressiveness that was really annoying to deal with. Either I'm completely blinded by not being mafia, or he's posting in a different way this game. He's for the most part been a non-factor this game. Here's his town filter, for easy comparison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341558&user=237527 Compare that to this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=237527 The language is different, the content is different. He's scum. Let's carry on BM is scum, just murder him. VE/Sandroba/Marvel/layabout/prob/Blazinghand etc are town, for various reasons. I need to run will write more. Not like we have much more to say for today. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
I have a hard time believing even she could be this wrong. Also, I'm not included in that list. At the time I was active in the thread and there wasn't much interest in attacking me. I wonder if she forgot about me, or left me out due to popular opinion: On July 18 2012 09:26 Katina wrote: bugs, you should really know better than to try to switch the vote train off of two people who were discussed at in length. You have caused a shitstorm now, and the votes aren't any better than they were 24 hours ago. The people voting for austin at this point: supersoft wherebugsgo Bill Murray sandroba syllogism risk.nuke gonzaw Looks like a pretty good mafia list. I wouldn't mind 4 or 5 of you dying. Looks like she remembered me later though, and funny enough, she remembered me at a time where I was not active in the thread at all, however, due to syllo's accusations, a few people had entertained the idea of me being scum. perfect opportunity to slide me back into her suspicion list. On July 19 2012 12:20 Katina wrote: It doesn't matter if your vote was stolen, just vote. Why would we give up an easy kill? It will narrow down the scum count, that's what we need to win as town. If Kurumi doesn't die people are just going to derp around and be unfocused because he IS still alive. With him dead that's one less distraction and we can focus on the other scum such as: Mattchew Foolishness Palmar Blazinghand Syllogism Bill Murrary At least she fixed sandroba out this time. Popular opinion important right? | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On July 20 2012 00:23 HiroPro wrote: Palmar, you don't think gonzaw's behavior can be explained by him simply having not enough time? What he's done this game is pretty different from what I would expect as his scum play - you were in Liar Game. He was a fairly dominant person in that game also even as scum. I was in liar game too. He only became dominant near the end of the game. He was pretty much a non-factor early on. Did you compare the filters linked? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On July 20 2012 00:24 syllogism wrote: Haha Palmar nice try, lets ask what sandroba thinks about that post of yours I was referring. He thinks you are mafia as well, but you are of course ignoring him because discrediting him isn't actually possible okay, let's see what he thinks. | ||
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