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Blazinghand
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On July 19 2012 14:36 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 14:31 Blazinghand wrote:On July 19 2012 14:25 Probulous wrote:
Yes finding scum is our ultimate goal, but there are currently 9 scum running around. Three of which are in executive roles. Given we are killing a minion (Kurumi had a role) I think it prudent to try and ascertain the leadership but apparently that is "retarded". The problem is that trying to ascertain leadership is like there's a police shootout with some criminals and the Probulous is there and he's like "oh hey I wonder, are those bullets 7.62x39mm or 5.66x45mm?" and everyone else is like "SHUT UP JUST SHOOT" and he's like "why are you calling me retarded? I think it prudent to try and ascertain the caliber of these bullets " and is totally unaware that it's not possible to find out and not nearly as important as the objective at hand Urgh. Whatever man. I would love to be able to just shutup and shoot but we can't. We can only kill one person per day. If I had my way, it would be the senior management, so I am focusing my scumhunting on senior players because I believe the hosts would not have put someone like Zealos (for example) as the CEO. Now is BM a senior player? I don't know, hence my question. To use your example, I am trying to take out the guy organising the killing, rather than the one reloading the guns.
In my experience trying to base guesses on the metahost turns out poorly.
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Blazinghand
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Good morning! Catching up.
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On July 20 2012 01:28 supersoft wrote:
hey palmar, is there a particular reason for this outburst of activity?
As long as he's defending me I see no problem with it. It's not like there's anything else to do today but provide reads-- we're lynching Kurumi anyways.
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Blazinghand
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I don't like risk.nuke. I think part of it is his disgusting reaver portrait, but check it out:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=76576
His initial comments actually aren't that bad, viewed on their own-- he doesn't like chaos or chezinu, he calls out the bad day 1 reads thing, and he argues about about RL. But how much as he really added since that initial outburst of early game chatter?
Well, He drops a vote on Kurumi with some minimal discussion, since Kurumi is basically scum D1. He explains his vote.
And then... nothing. He drops a vote on austinmcc later as we get closer to the lynch deadline.
That's everything Risk.Nuke has done.
Now, I could imagine having a relatively quiet first half of D1, or maybe entire D1. But we're in D2 now, and after a whole night and nearly a third of D2, RN is unbelievably quiet. Why is that? It's not because he thinks there's nothing to talk about, I can assure you that-- he made a pretty long response to one of the opening posts when there was less activity: (link)
Risk.Nuke is alarmingly inactive-- he's posted no analysis, no reads, nothing. Since the end of D1 he's made two posts:
On July 19 2012 01:36 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 01:19 syllogism wrote:
I can't believe this game uses extended majority lynch. How was that a good idea Don't blame the system when the fault lies in a dumb unorganized town.
On July 19 2012 21:38 risk.nuke wrote:
We need to kill kurumi. For tomorrow I feel katina will bleed red. Will elaborate when I feel like it.
The first one is worthless, and the second one is (in the first half) self evident and (in the second half) completely left hanging.
What are you doing, risk.nuke?
why so unhelpful? Why so lurk? why so scum?
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Blazinghand
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That's not stopping anyone else from contributing, Risk.Nuke. It didn't stop be from finding you.
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In any case, feel free to do something, anything, to make any sort of case, or contribute to town in any meaningful way whatsoever. I breathlessly await the grand arrival of the pro-town Risk.Nuke-- he is still absent.
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Blazinghand
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On July 20 2012 03:12 marvellosity wrote:
As one of the great town players of TL Mafia I refuse to believe you are this uninvolved with reading the thread as a townie.
This really irks me. Didn't you pay attention in grammar school? Or are you tooting your own horn.
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On July 20 2012 03:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 03:14 Blazinghand wrote:On July 20 2012 03:12 marvellosity wrote:
As one of the great town players of TL Mafia I refuse to believe you are this uninvolved with reading the thread as a townie. This really irks me. Didn't you pay attention in grammar school? Or are you tooting your own horn. ROFL. No, I was not referring to myself 
I think from now on I'll just refer to myself as "one of the great town players of TL Mafia" in grammatically ambiguous ways. I had an english teacher in 10th grade who beat the grammar into us so I pick up on these things. It happens in newspaper articles more than you think. "As a disgusting rubbish bin, Mitt Romney thinks recycling containers should have airtight lids" etc etc
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I think Zealos is scum! The literal non-thread-reading and utter garbage that tries to look town but isn't makes him like my #1 scumread.
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On July 19 2012 05:19 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:16 Zealos wrote:On July 17 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 07:42 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 07:41 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 07:40 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 07:38 Blazinghand wrote:
You know kurumi we got like tons of time maybe if you're really a town player you can help convince these people to lynch syllo after you die Meapak_Zipph is scum, I don't care about syllo. And why I would work for you, who the hell are you? Are you sure? Cause Syllo looks pretty scummy to me. You should read the cases on him and make a case against him, a glorious shining case that will be reinforced by your town flip. You are making this so easy. I am town. You "know" I am town. Why vote on me? ._. My point is that "if you are really a town player" you should be spending your resources to help me lynch syllo. You're not doing much to convince me right now. That is super odd to me. Clearly his logic makes no sense, and he's trying to buddy up to who he thinks will be an influential town player. LOL WUT LOL "an influential town player" Kurumi at that time? Are you fucking kidding me? Kurumi was caught scum and was self-destructing, and I figured on the off chance he was town I'd give him some advice on what to do before he died so that after the flip he'd look good. Are you even paying attention? Kurumi? Did you read the thread? Come on, man, there's tons of evidence against me, tons of qutoes you could use, and you used THAT ONE? Did you just quote a random post from me or what? Put some serious effort in. It's not THAT HARD. LOL
On July 19 2012 05:47 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:44 HiroPro wrote:On July 19 2012 05:40 marvellosity wrote:
pretty likely scum. from what i've seen he doesn't really afk as town yet he got himself modkilled as scum in LV for no apparent reason.
Flip flopping on BH due to his self-vote past the deadline. Now I don't particularly like that either, but it's not like he didn't admit to it straight away. Then he's justifying his read with the crap about influential town Kurumi.
clearly smacks of not reading the thread and if you're attempting to make a case knowing nothing about thread happenings then actually you're just shitting things up = scum.  Everyone please read the last 3/4 page with Zealos and his filter. He's scum. I concur. I hate to OMGUS but I really can't see a town player doing what zealos did, which was to not read the thread, find someone who's a bit scummy and pressure him in a shitty way that reveals unwittingly that he hasn't been reading the thread at all. At first I just couldn't stop laughing at how bad it was, but it's just super clear Zealos is scum, so he'll have my vote come daybreak.
Case basically writes itself.
Much kudos to HiroPro for staying on Zealos this whole time. Zealos should be the D3 lynch imo
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Like, I wish I could write MORE on Zealos, but his strategy this entire game has been to never post except to show up and call things "odd" and "weird" and then dissappear and lurk more. His attack on me is scummy as dicks, and then this:
On July 19 2012 05:26 Zealos wrote:
I'll just go ahead and vote for BH at the start of day2 then leave you guys to it. bb,
like, what? What about kurumi, what about making a real case, what about checking in on things or being remotely helpful?
This is scum trying to skate by, every one of his choices this game is clearly undefendable from town motivation, but easily has scum motivation.
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On July 20 2012 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:
I think Zealos is scum! The literal non-thread-reading and utter garbage that tries to look town but isn't makes him like my #1 scumread. Well that's nice to know, I'd appreciate if you wrote out a case. You're lucky to not be dying today so I think you should make some serious contributions to give people reasons to rethink their position on you.
Just as an aside, it's okay if you think I'm a bit scummy, just check out Zealos-- he's clearly Captain Scummer McScummy of HMS Scummytowne. He needs to be lynched tomorrow and there's now two ways around it. I promise it won't take long, his filter is short.
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On July 20 2012 04:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 04:29 Blazinghand wrote:On July 20 2012 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:
I think Zealos is scum! The literal non-thread-reading and utter garbage that tries to look town but isn't makes him like my #1 scumread. Well that's nice to know, I'd appreciate if you wrote out a case. You're lucky to not be dying today so I think you should make some serious contributions to give people reasons to rethink their position on you. Just as an aside, it's okay if you think I'm a bit scummy, just check out Zealos-- he's clearly Captain Scummer McScummy of HMS Scummytowne. He needs to be lynched tomorrow and there's now two ways around it. I promise it won't take long, his filter is short. idk what to think about you anymore blazinghand, I had expected you to quietly slip away once the pressure was off of you but instead you've stuck around which is definitely points in your favor. You still may be scum but at this point there are a lot of people I'd rather lynch ahead of you.
Excellent! I'll keep on hunting scum, and as long as I can find them fast enough I'll never get mislynched. I'm like a one of this hogs that are used to farm for truffles, except I know that if I don't find enough truffles I'll be turned into bacon instead!
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I'm a player who's notorious for posting very little, so I get how he'd think I'd do so.
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Looks like a Reverse Bus. Town Kurumi would have done anything to help during D1, anything at all, instead of whining, disrupting thread and bailing.
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On July 20 2012 06:00 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 05:51 Kurumi wrote:GGQ I am very confident that GGQ is scum. His filter is not even one page long. (Actually 5 in-game posts.) "How can you say anything about the guy then, Kurumi?" Some of you have pointed out that Mafia's biggest objective is to survive. You can do it vanilla style - try to blend in during the discussion. You can do it lurker style - just avoid the fire and appear when everything's a little more silent... There's always false townie style, where you basically try to forget about your role and go with the flow while trying to keep in mind who's good target and who's not. As we've seen so far, being a lurker in this game is a GREAT option. We've been attacking each other like mad. If it wasn't an in-game attack, it was an attack on person her/himself. We've got a good player lurking like mad for no reason. It's already Day 2. If he was really occupied, guess what - he'd get replaced, just like two guys already, but he has no reason to ask for one. When I call him out that he is actively lurking(I am going to count how much it takes you to respond to this GGQ by the way) On July 17 2012 03:36 GGQ wrote:On July 17 2012 03:27 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 03:25 GGQ wrote:On July 16 2012 19:13 Probulous wrote:
So in essence I should have kept that to myself?
I find it highly unlikely that mafia will be pushing strong reads day 1 given the setup. For two reasons, one they may be pushing one of their own, two they will be held accountable. So my thinking was to out to the thread so people are aware of it. Yes mafia are too but all this does is limit their options. How exactly does this help me further my agenda if I am mafia?
My experience playing scum in two Sleeper Cell games tells me that this is the opposite of true. If you aren't burdened by knowledge of your teammates, it's much easier to come out strong on day 1. Why are you active lurking? wtf are you talking about? How does that answer sound to you? It's strict denial. He sees nothing wrong with his play. He feels no guilt. Why would he? There's a post by him in this quote too. He shares... a little of his knowledge... HE HAS PLAYED TWO DAMN SLEEPER CELL GAMES. Everything he has to tell us is that Mafia do whatever they please on Day 1. Solid advice here man. On July 17 2012 03:42 GGQ wrote:On July 17 2012 03:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 17 2012 03:27 Mattchew wrote:On July 17 2012 03:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 17 2012 03:13 Mattchew wrote:On July 17 2012 03:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
so mattchew lemme get this right, I'm scummy because I "seems to be trying to look sensible and not shitstorm causing." Umm... duh so basically I'm scum because I'm playing protown? That's some pretty wicked logic there. cause you are playing an easy to fake pro-town without actually doing anything pro-town That's bullshit and you know it lol. you have said the word "chaos" or talked about town stability in almost every post you have made. Did you elect yourself town peacekeeper? Because basically every one of your posts has extremely little to do with actually finding and lynching scum Actually I'm playing smart and waiting until I have a solid case before I go after someone. In contrast, you have your idiotic crusade against katina and that's it. Discussion should be currently centered around Palmar for his inability/refusal to play. BH should be a secondary consideration for his random wild play. And of course I still haven't forgot chez and the smurf, I'm interested to see if they start playing as well. This may come as a shock but it's not always a good idea to shit up the thread with random cases. My lack of a formal "case" is way better than your little spat with Katina. What? Why? What would that accomplish? How would that help us find scum? Palmar does that shit all the time. It's stupid and unhelpful but arguing about it has never changed him before and it won't now. ##vote blazinghand He tries to shift focus off from Palmar. He is defending him telling people that Palmar is just like that. That's what Palmar should've probably said, right? Look at how this post ends "has never changed him before and it won't now" it's a decisive NO. And this BH vote. He did explain it, right? On July 18 2012 11:24 GGQ wrote:
Why did I vote BH without mentioning even a single word about him? To see what would happen, of course!
Most people's responses were good; just asking me why or making little noises of disgust. The only one who tried to construe it as scummy was Austin the squirming mafia.
Why did I vote BH at all? Because he was being active and throwing his vote around without doing anything and seemed very concerned with his own activity, as if it was justifying something. I believed and still believe he is scum.
I get very bad vibes from HiroPro. His posts all feel like he's just putting in his time.
There's a bunch of other possible mafias in my mind, but another day another noose.
The case on gonzaw feels weaker than the one on austin to me. I prefer to lynch BH or austinmcc, but I'll switch before deadline if it's necessary to get a lynch. TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? Sounds like someone doesn't freaking care about the lynch? Wait, he does care, look at the last line! Why would a person with no thread presence try to defend Palmar? GGQ has NEVER said anything about Palmar. Never EVER. If you were searching for a guy trying to survive - here you go. Why would you lurk as Town in this game? With 1KP, Mafia has little power to do anything to stop you from acting. Sure, they might have roleblockers, maybe politicians or anti-nukers, but it's the cases which should win games. Palmar and Bill Murray are playing similar style, where they mostly post one-liners or troll material. Palmar just now started pushing layabout hard (without proper case, just some meta to back it up). GGQ has a lot of knowledge. It is Day 2 and he hasn't shared ANY of it. He is denying us information. No cases made, no activity in the thread, NOTHING. He is trying for his survival. If he comes guns blazing at any point in the game... I think you'll get it that he's scum. I am voting GGQ. ##vote GGQ Surely all these points can be made against me. So what makes him any more scummy than me?
A valid point if you were townie. But you're not, you're the scummiest player alive behind Kurumi.
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So I guess that's Zealos' post for today. No response, huh/
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austinmcc you still think Zealos is scum though right?
+ Show Spoiler +On July 19 2012 07:22 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 06:24 HiroPro wrote:
VE/austin, please read pages 73-74 and tell me what you think of Zealos. This one is just silly. You're asking me what I think about a guy who replaced in, made roughly one post wherein he voted for the guy that "seemed to have a decent case on him"/"seemed most scummy recently," never voted in the votethread, never returned during the day, and, upon returning, has called kurumi an "influential town player." Nobody can look at that and go - #1 town read! If he goes with his stated plan: Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:26 Zealos wrote:
I'll just go ahead and vote for BH at the start of day2 then leave you guys to it. bb, then that's just pretty terrible and I'd love to see him lynched or shot. But tbh, all his scumminess seems to come from doing absolutely nothing. Like, less than minimal effort. Not posting. Not reading the thread. Not voting. That's a LOT of attention to call to oneself, to not vote. So even those his lack of contribution is scummy, I'd rather he's not up for lynch this cycle. We've already got scum in Kurumi, who we thought would die so didn't lynch yesterday, so there's 1 kill. I still think GGQ looks incredibly scummy, and i haven't seen anyone (there may have been one post in which someone just said "GGQ always plays like this") defend GGQ or call him town. So I don't see why that isn't kill #2. Just because he's "obvious" or "easy to build a case on," doesn't mean we shouldn't lynch him... That leaves Zealos, at the very least, third for me. So for now I'll find him scummy, but want to lynch others over him, and see if he actually contributes/reads thread/does anything.
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On July 20 2012 06:18 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 06:13 Blazinghand wrote:
austinmcc you still think Zealos is scum though right?
Less scummy than GGQ, but yeah. To me, GGQ is scum, and that read seems unlikely to change. Zealos is scummy, but with a possibility of that read changing? They're entering the game with different experience, and so even though they're both contributing about equally this game, I'm getting slightly different levels of scumread on them.
That's a fair point. I suppose I should do a reread of GGQ to see what he's done this game, but if he's played the same way as Zealos, then he too must be scum.
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On July 20 2012 06:25 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:
So I guess that's Zealos' post for today. No response, huh/ Whats my proper response to you saying "You're most scummy behind kumrai?" "No, you're wrong"
or you could literally contribute anything to the discussion rather than nothing which is you for the last like oh wait that's all you've done this game is nothing
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