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On July 19 2012 05:22 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:19 Blazinghand wrote:On July 19 2012 05:16 Zealos wrote:On July 17 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 07:42 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 07:41 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 07:40 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 07:38 Blazinghand wrote:
You know kurumi we got like tons of time maybe if you're really a town player you can help convince these people to lynch syllo after you die Meapak_Zipph is scum, I don't care about syllo. And why I would work for you, who the hell are you? Are you sure? Cause Syllo looks pretty scummy to me. You should read the cases on him and make a case against him, a glorious shining case that will be reinforced by your town flip. You are making this so easy. I am town. You "know" I am town. Why vote on me? ._. My point is that "if you are really a town player" you should be spending your resources to help me lynch syllo. You're not doing much to convince me right now. That is super odd to me. Clearly his logic makes no sense, and he's trying to buddy up to who he thinks will be an influential town player. LOL WUT LOL "an influential town player" Kurumi at that time? Are you fucking kidding me? Kurumi was caught scum and was self-destructing, and I figured on the off chance he was town I'd give him some advice on what to do before he died so that after the flip he'd look good. Are you even paying attention? Kurumi? Did you read the thread? Come on, man, there's tons of evidence against me, tons of qutoes you could use, and you used THAT ONE? Did you just quote a random post from me or what? Put some serious effort in. It's not THAT HARD. LOL Interesting. Because this seems to add to the thread. Apart from the fact you want me to feel insulted, perhaps attempting to irritate me to shit up the thread? Either way this seems like a red post to me :3
lol Zealos if you don't want to get insulted, you should spend some more time reading the thread.
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Like if you had told me that BH was being useless by talking to Kurumi, I might have believed that. But "buddying up to an influential town player". Really?
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Well this is a fun game to play :3
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I'll just go ahead and vote for BH at the start of day2 then leave you guys to it. bb,
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On July 19 2012 05:21 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 17 2012 05:56 Katina wrote:On July 17 2012 05:22 Foolishness wrote:
Everyone should ignore Mattchew. He's so far off topic that I'm even going to do this Ace style:
Ignore List:
Mattchew
Chezinu - does anyone honestly ever read his posts?
Syllogism is mafia. Non-committal stances, doesn't even want to defend himself. Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. And the next time Kurumi uses the phrase "actively lurking" someone should shoot him.
And before someone asks, Palmar is town. Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1.
##Vote: syllogism Mafia does stupid things, Palmar does stupid things. Especially when he's Mafia or third party, your reasoning for that is "He can't be that stupid if he's Mafia". Why would you redirect the nuke at marv? I don't like the vote on syllogism right now, especially with your lack of reasoning behind it. You want to shoot Kurumi and redirect a nuke at Marv. Can you elaborate? It seems that you are throwing around doubt and trying to side track people in your first post. You post one sentence about people who are scummy such as Kurumi (which you seem to have scummy feelings towards) and Palmar. You basically posted close to nothing just a sentence maybe two on a few people. I know you all too well, those are the things you taught me to do. I know you are Mafia love cake <3 Syllo this is one post I like from Katina. I liked it too, but by this point it's outweighed by all the bad, in particular her last few posts. This just screams lazy mafia Show nested quote + I have my read on Foolishness and I will give it to you once I am 1--% percent sure of it. Right now I am only 85% sure of his alignment. She went from "knowing [foolishness] is mafia" to basically ignoring him.
I mean - she's no shining beacon of towniness but she has opinions syllo. I don't understand what makes her a better candidate for you than others who seem to have no opinion. What are your thoughts on Bill Murray for instance? Or Zealos? Why Katina over
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Wait a second.... You're the guy who said this about BH day 1:
On July 17 2012 19:55 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 19:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On July 17 2012 12:35 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 12:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
Well, if he were town, he would have used his block power to block Kurumi from nuking RoL, since Kurumi's nuke was mod-confirmed BEFORE Chezinu used ##nuke in the thread. Kurumi being scum doesn't mean RoL is town. Even if Kurumi is one of the managers, he still has very little idea who he's actually shooting, and RoL isn't exactly captain mctownerson to begin with. *I*, on the other hand, am 100% confirmed town (to myself). I think every time I have used this logic of "I know I am 100% town" I have been scum. I actually don't ever recall seeing anyone use this as town. ##Vote: BlazingHand I've used that logic on myself several times as town. I also feel like we might have overtunneled BH for a few fairly weak reasons and given the mafia players an easy free lynch.
On July 18 2012 07:40 Zealos wrote:
I don't like the idea of a BH lynch right now. I don't think there is enough against him, and if he does flip town we've lost a good vet.
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And now your read is completely different. Despite the fact that the Kurumi post you quoted and the brunt of the case against BH was made very early on, well before you say that you didn't like a BH case.
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You explain this to me now Zealos.
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people like that who are obviously not even interested in reading the damn thread?
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marv what do you think of this. You've caught Zealos before when you were town. Do you think he's playing the same way here?
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On July 19 2012 05:33 marvellosity wrote:
so smooth, VE <3
Reserve judgement until near dawn. You might not like what I have to say about you. :X
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pretty likely scum. from what i've seen he doesn't really afk as town yet he got himself modkilled as scum in LV for no apparent reason.
Flip flopping on BH due to his self-vote past the deadline. Now I don't particularly like that either, but it's not like he didn't admit to it straight away. Then he's justifying his read with the crap about influential town Kurumi.
clearly smacks of not reading the thread and if you're attempting to make a case knowing nothing about thread happenings then actually you're just shitting things up = scum.
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marv while you're here and pretending to care what I say, what do you think about Palmar? You two got into something of a spat, has it affected your read of him?
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VE, my love. My darling. I don't care what you say about me <3
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I'd lean on town-side of null on Palmar atm.
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On July 19 2012 05:41 marvellosity wrote:
I'd lean on town-side of null on Palmar atm.
That was....not the answer I expected. Congratulations.
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Okay, I feel better now.
That NL last night seemed pretty bad, but I actually think it was a good choice, since I think BH is town and would have been misslynched
About BH:
I don't see him as scum to be honest, he's too confident and doesn't care about what people think of him.
He's too arrogant to be scum, I'd think he'd be more careful if he was scum.
For instance:
On July 16 2012 15:32 Blazinghand wrote:
@Prob: I think that's Chezinu you got quoted there.
In any case, in this setup it seems pretty straightforwards to me. Analyze like normal, hold people to their views like normal, look for weird unsubstantiated cases like normal. There's more scum and they're less organized, but I don't see why we need to do our D1 or D2 anything different than what we typically do. Just keep an eye open for people doing shit without legit town motives and you're good to go as always.
@Chezinu: Chaos bad
##vote: Chezinu
Starting the game with a vote on a guy everybody knows is just crazy is very risky as scum.
Not only that but he was the first one to try and get some scumhunting going:
On July 17 2012 01:01 Blazinghand wrote:
Yes. M_Z's pressure was craptacularly underwhelming and indicates to me that he's scum looking to build a backdoor in his wagon in case it turns out to be a bus. Therefore I voted him. Probulous comes off to me as unhelpful and unthoughtful, so I am ignoring his questioning. If you'd really like, I can take a look at him, but I think he's just scum farting into the wind to throw me off the scent.
Coupled with his vote on MZ.
He's too "all over the place" to be scum. Plus his reaction to when he was lynched seemed legit.
Foolishness is scum:
I have a little more time right now so I can make a proper case. Don't know why I'd get flak about this, specially if people ignore what I actually said and keep ignoring Foolishness to attack me.
But anyways
Previous thoughts about him:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=36#715
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=42#836
I already talked about his first post, but his second one doesn't help him at all either.
On July 17 2012 06:39 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 05:56 Katina wrote:On July 17 2012 05:22 Foolishness wrote:
Everyone should ignore Mattchew. He's so far off topic that I'm even going to do this Ace style:
Ignore List:
Mattchew
Chezinu - does anyone honestly ever read his posts?
Syllogism is mafia. Non-committal stances, doesn't even want to defend himself. Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. And the next time Kurumi uses the phrase "actively lurking" someone should shoot him.
And before someone asks, Palmar is town. Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1.
##Vote: syllogism Mafia does stupid things, Palmar does stupid things. Especially when he's Mafia or third party, your reasoning for that is "He can't be that stupid if he's Mafia". Why would you redirect the nuke at marv? I don't like the vote on syllogism right now, especially with your lack of reasoning behind it. You want to shoot Kurumi and redirect a nuke at Marv. Can you elaborate? That's not what I said. I said mafia don't propose things like random lynch day 1. Palmar does stupid things but there's a big difference between claiming to be a king and trying to get a random lynch day 1 (he even made that txt document as well). Wanting to be a king was stupid but it had an agenda behind it and there were benefits for him to do so. Random lynch day 1 has no agenda and will not help him if he's mafia. He knows it's not going to ever happen so what's the point? Just see how people will respond to him is all he's doing. Being a king pushed an agenda for him; especially so since it was a PM game.
I already said that defending Palmar because he proposed RL, specially when it's Palmar we are talking about (and specially since Palmar already proposed RL as scum before, albeit other people have already proposed it before in that game) was stupid.
Not only that, but he tries to justify by saying Palmar's other "absurd play" from Liar Game (wanting to be king) pushed a scum agenda. Why does this matter? He took an even older scum game from Palmar, if he wanted to compare he'd take iGrok's game (which actually he used....to justify Palmar posting the RL thing making him townie).
This doesn't make sense and I don't think there is a way town Foolishness would actually believe so
Day 1 nuke is a Kurumi-esque thing to do, but I've said that before about him when he's mafia. I want the nuke redirected at marvellosity because he's mafia.
He defends Kurumi (who we know is scum), and accuses marv without any reasoning behind it.
Town Foolishness wouldn't accuse anybody at all without explanation, he'd never do that.
I won't comment his case on syllogism, since he may have actually thought syllo was scum and tried to bus him, or genuinely tried to scumhunt.
On July 17 2012 15:26 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 14:50 gonzaw wrote:
About Palmars RL thingy:
Wait, Palmar tried to follow RL in iGrok's game yes (austin mentioned this I think)....but he was scum that game
I'm so fucking surprised at Mattchew and Foolishness that they assumed Palmar was town in that game and posted his RL thing with good intentions in mind...when he didn't.....because he was scum.
I'm more surprised at Mattchew for using it as evidence to shit on Katina. I would have thought a townie would check something twice if they'll use it as evidence someone else is scum.
I'll recheck Mattchew tomorrow, but I see him not caring about shit and posting sporadically, plus his first attack on Katina screamed of "picking an easy target".
About Palmar himself, he did that RL thing in iGrok's game and he was scum.
I don't see him doing shit this game, it's likely he's scum as well. However I don't know if he'd risk using his RL site thing 2 times in a row as scum both times, it seems obvious to me that someone would notice the similarity (I'm baffled how nobody noticed it to be honest, specially people that played in that game too, like VE and MZ).
I wouldn't mind lynching him, he's not doing shit and that seems to be his scum meta these days.
The issue is that it's still too early to tell with Palmar, but as I said I think he's town. I hadn't realized that he did that as mafia and as town when I said that. If you want something more concrete, when Palmar is mafia his average post length is longer than when he's town. I used iGrok's and BC's game as comparison (even though Palmar was 3rd party in BC's game he was effectively town). BC's game he one liners his way to victory with the occasional two paragraph post. In iGrok's game the two paragraph post comes out every few posts or so. What's he done so far this game? One liners. If you want something even more concrete, wait until like day 3. If his filter is 3 pages, then he's scum, if it's greater than 6 pages he's town. That's the failsafe "is Palmar mafia?" proof.
This is bullshit. After being shown he was wrong he tries to justify his town read on Palmar any way he can. "If his filter is 3 pages, then he's scum, if it's greater than 6, then he's town".
There are several things wrong with this:
1)Thanks, now if Palmar is scum he knows exactly what to do to avoid suspicion (at least from you)
2)This is bullshit. Post count doesn't relate to being scum at all. Palmar could post 3 pages and be town or post 6 pages and be scum, the content is all that matters.
This is a shitty heuristic that isn't actually how you catch scum Palmar (scum Palmar gives a shit about D1 but stops giving a shit about D2-D3, has nothing to do with post count), and I find it very suspicious that town Foolishness would not only believe it, but apply it to figure out Palmar is town.
I didn't see Foo' say anything about the content of Palmar's posts, or anything, he just tried to use 2 shitty heuristics to say he's town, nothing else.
Conveniently he forgot about Palmar the rest of the game, but I guess he won't even try to read Palmar until Day 3.
On July 17 2012 15:44 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 15:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
How would you advise me about reading VE? Click his filter, click his filter from a game where he's mafia and a game where he's town? Then do one of those compare/contrast things teachers seem to be so crazy about. Honestly what do you want me to say? I played in more games with VE before he was good I don't know what to say about him. I remember posting an analysis against someone and writing at the top "Attention: if your name is VisceraEyes please skip this section because it's all about meta, which you claim holds no ground in finding mafia". I guess thinking back I cannot recall a single post he's made this game that wasn't I LOVE YOU BLAZINGHAND....
This post is just filler as well.
The post is just saying "I dunno", nothing else...
...like what's the purpose of it?
He never stated why he thought marv was scum (it seems he forgot about it). He never decided to change his vote even though he said he would.
Okay I don't have time to mention other things about his play but I think this should be enough.
It seemed to me he was the obvious choice for D1 lynch but sandro/supersoft/wbg all fucked it up.
If there was enough time for me to go from having 0 votes to have like 10, there was enough time for Foolishness to go from having 1 vote to be lynched, the fact that people say that "I wasted my vote voting Foolishness" with this in mind baffles me.
Like I said before I'm not too sold on syllo being scum, specially after he started being a little more active in discussions at deadline-time and this N1.
About Katina:
She's likely town in my opinion.
On July 17 2012 05:56 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 05:22 Foolishness wrote:
Everyone should ignore Mattchew. He's so far off topic that I'm even going to do this Ace style:
Ignore List:
Mattchew
Chezinu - does anyone honestly ever read his posts?
Syllogism is mafia. Non-committal stances, doesn't even want to defend himself. Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. And the next time Kurumi uses the phrase "actively lurking" someone should shoot him.
And before someone asks, Palmar is town. Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1.
##Vote: syllogism Mafia does stupid things, Palmar does stupid things. Especially when he's Mafia or third party, your reasoning for that is "He can't be that stupid if he's Mafia". Why would you redirect the nuke at marv? I don't like the vote on syllogism right now, especially with your lack of reasoning behind it. You want to shoot Kurumi and redirect a nuke at Marv. Can you elaborate? It seems that you are throwing around doubt and trying to side track people in your first post. You post one sentence about people who are scummy such as Kurumi (which you seem to have scummy feelings towards) and Palmar. You basically posted close to nothing just a sentence maybe two on a few people. I know you all too well, those are the things you taught me to do. I know you are Mafia love cake <3
She feels confident here. I don't think she'd go against Foolishness as mafia, since she knows Foo' knows her well and would pay more attention to here if he was town or scum.
She sounds like she did in Liar Game, posts little but sounds confident in her posts and doesn't really stay back when people accuse her and such.
I don't get why the hell sandro and others would instantly think she's scum just because she discredited their vote switch.
Yes, that vote switch last night was awful, you can't change lynch candidates in 1 hour and expect it to work, anybody can see that.
If someone thinks that's suspicious it's understandable since at first glance it is. Instantly FOSing people because of it only adds to the chaos and only serves to inflate your ego.
I'll get on to the people that jumped on my wagon. My first impressions were that Prob is town, he's too active and tries to contribute as much as he can. His case on me was wrong since he misunderstood the context of the posts, but I don't see any malign intent in his posts.
I don't remember other people's reactions, but that "kay I'll sheep sandro" mentality pisses me off, since it gives people a free pass to do anything they want, and all the responsibility would just fall into sandro, specially if there was a misslynch.
The worst thing is that I can see both townies (without much time like myself) and scum doing so, which gives us absolutely no information at all.
Okay, I'll go back to Can't Believe, do stuff there, then in my other game and come back. I'll have to go somewhere in 2 hours or so so expect from me later, like before the deadline or something.
Yes, these are excuses but I can't do anything else. The alternative I have is just make incomplete posts and disappear for a long time without explaining myself, which doesn't make my actions transparent at all.
If the truth makes me scummy then whatever, I won't lie to you just to appear more "townie". If I'm switching my attention between games I'll state so.
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On July 19 2012 05:40 marvellosity wrote:
pretty likely scum. from what i've seen he doesn't really afk as town yet he got himself modkilled as scum in LV for no apparent reason.
Flip flopping on BH due to his self-vote past the deadline. Now I don't particularly like that either, but it's not like he didn't admit to it straight away. Then he's justifying his read with the crap about influential town Kurumi.
clearly smacks of not reading the thread and if you're attempting to make a case knowing nothing about thread happenings then actually you're just shitting things up = scum.
Everyone please read the last 3/4 page with Zealos and his filter. He's scum.
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? Palmar calls people stupid all the time. I don't know how alignment telling it's supposed to be but definitely not on the scummy side.
I remember him calling all of us retards in Redux for lynching Sentinel, although we were right and he was wrong.
Additionally he's not shitting up the thread in any way and most of his posts are to the point.
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On July 19 2012 05:44 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:40 marvellosity wrote:
pretty likely scum. from what i've seen he doesn't really afk as town yet he got himself modkilled as scum in LV for no apparent reason.
Flip flopping on BH due to his self-vote past the deadline. Now I don't particularly like that either, but it's not like he didn't admit to it straight away. Then he's justifying his read with the crap about influential town Kurumi.
clearly smacks of not reading the thread and if you're attempting to make a case knowing nothing about thread happenings then actually you're just shitting things up = scum. Everyone please read the last 3/4 page with Zealos and his filter. He's scum.
I concur. I hate to OMGUS but I really can't see a town player doing what zealos did, which was to not read the thread, find someone who's a bit scummy and pressure him in a shitty way that reveals unwittingly that he hasn't been reading the thread at all.
At first I just couldn't stop laughing at how bad it was, but it's just super clear Zealos is scum, so he'll have my vote come daybreak.
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