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Knock it off Supersoft. You are not confirmed town. Nor are you confirmed scum.
I would still rather lynch MZ. He starts the game off speaking negatively towards throwing suspicion around everywhere, wants to only vote folks he wants to die and will push his cases hard. D2 he wants everyone to post their various cases while Kurumi is getting lynched, again, here it is:On July 20 2012 03:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone should be taking this time to post their various cases that they have. Since we already have our lynch for today, let's not waste it by voting and chilling. Let's still try and garner some use out of the day.
After saying that, MZ proceeds to not post any cases (has been on rastaban for a while, but doesn't post anything new here), despite being around and doing some minor questioning and answering.
The messages that Sloosh received point towards scum wanting to clog up the thread and create chaos. Everyone posting "their various cases" does that to a tee.
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On July 27 2012 04:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 04:25 syllogism wrote:On July 27 2012 04:23 marvellosity wrote:On July 27 2012 04:22 syllogism wrote:
I think we should probably believe meapak and lynch sloosh, although I'm quite convinced Gonzaw is mafia as well. we already know sloosh is scum, mole or otherwise how is this new information? I think he is essentially counterclaiming sloosh traitor claim, but has a posting restriction that prevents him from claiming. I can't think of any other reason. At least you've got the right idea that sloosh is scum.
We sort of already knew that. The alternative is a townie fake claiming traitor and posting fake messages.
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I will move my vote to sloosh. Either we lynch scum or we confirm him as the mole.
Other assorted crap so I don't make a bunch of little posts:
- The posts Syllogism found from Q-bert-Z certainly fit what the message's requests.
- I still want to hear from Chez, both the clarity he was promising and thoughts on the claims today. If he actually has knowledge of roles, that could potentially confirm we have an alignment cop.
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Eh, whether sloosh faked them or not, the messages aren't 100% reliable anyway. Foolishness KNEW that one minion was the traitor and did not have a role. Could have asked each subboss to throw in fake minion roles, see if any minions claimed those roles by their thread actions. If nothing else, he KNEW that his messages were going to be seen by someone who was playing against mafia.
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On July 27 2012 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 07:10 rastaban wrote:
If Slooshes posts are correct then it means that the mirror theory doesn't hold up.
The mirror theory says Chez and Prob or VE are scum. One of the minions is either the Snoopy role or the Commuter
That leaves one role left, meaning we have at least 2 of a certain role and also as of yet our real nuke has no mafia counter part. Commuter is active I think, I don't know what Snoopy does...any idea? I interpreted it as something out of seeing people taking night actions, seeing what the night actions were, and seeing targets for night actions.
If it's a real thing, could have been useful to find town messengers? Use a list of targets to determine who received a message that wasn't from mafia, but it'd be difficult to make your teammates aware of your role and get information out, so that seems far fetched.
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Seems like too much for scum to have both a pardoner and a role who can remove a person from the game for a time, right?
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On July 27 2012 07:44 marvellosity wrote:
austin, what part of "we'll discuss it after the flip" did you not grasp? The PMs posted in his mole claim are one thing, done with those til flip.
The vacation PM is another thing. Nobody's said jack about it, and if you take it seriously, it indicates that there may not BE an "after the flip."
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Last we knew, PMs could include names, but not alignment:
On July 06 2012 09:28 Protactinium wrote:
Not 100% on this atm but currently the rule is they can't give absolute statements, just orders. i,e no 'players x y z are not mafia, get them killed,' just, 'harass player x.' If they are blatant about trying to give out teammates then they'll be censored. Given enough time executives might figure out ways to smuggle information past the censors but it won't be without risk. There may be other mechanics in place to interfere with such play if it is tried.
There are redundancy factors in place for communication once someone dies but they will be less than normal. In normal games the town wants to prioritize certain mafia to eliminate powers (especially in PYP games) or reduce kp. As eliminating mafia will not reduce kp here, the focus should be geared at disrupting communication by removing the executives.
Protact said he wasn't 100%, but "harass player x" sounds like about what that message says. Even the people it says to attack, it says "attack these 4" and not "attack these 4 players that aren't mafia." Besides, Palmar is in there so we know it's not 4 town names.
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On July 27 2012 08:26 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 02:00 austinmcc wrote:
Also, if the commuter role is present, that's another reason for the lack of NK last night.
(1) some form of protection
(2) scum didn't send in a kill (missed it OR thought all targets sent were mafia)
(3) kill sent in on a commuter who was gone that night
(4) roleblock on the chairman of the board, IF that would stop the NK in this setup Subtle implication that Syllo is mafia. Austin what do you think this actually means? Syllo was shot but here you suggest a way the block would happen with him being mafia. It seems unlikely that scum would shoot their commuter unless they are on opposite sides of the hierachy which would mean mean Syllo is working for the department of marketing. It's possible but unlikely given how he has played so why post this here? Why did you post this without explaining the implications... THere have been a lot of instances this game where we've leapt to conclusions. There have been a lot of things that we thought we knew, but didn't (Kurumi was going to get nuked D1, Kurumi was mafia, you thinking Chez knew your role, Foolishness shot claims, mole crap, etc.).
I'm assuming (1) is the most likely, (2) maybe second-likely. But I think it's worth pointing out all the possible options. Like, I didn't even put "Syllo is scum and commuter," because IF (3) were the case, we don't know that commuter is mafia. Town could have a commuter, mafia could have the name of the role through a fake claim, and have been adding it to the list of possible roles hoping that the traitor breadcrumbs himself as a commuter and outs himself.
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On July 27 2012 08:48 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 08:46 syllogism wrote:On July 27 2012 08:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 27 2012 08:45 syllogism wrote:On July 27 2012 08:41 slOosh wrote:
Coolios.
Just reread my filter and think through it, we are in a great position. Hopefully this vacation isn't a janitor thing or whatever, that would be ultimate sucks. Good luck guys! This post screams too much information. If you get janitored, I think it's still likely that you aren't the traitor and I am going to proceed based on that assumption. Of course you are. FUCKING OF COURSE I wouldn't worry about it anyway, they would have janitored palmar, I think. They can't have a janitor - that would imply minions knowing who other scum are wouldn't it? Could fire it off at random, as with stuff like BH's shot. But yeah, I think you're right here. If scum had a janitor, he would have been guessing, and I would think he'd use it on an earlier flip.
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On July 27 2012 10:15 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 10:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
So we have 1 leaderless minion and two minions with a leader left, right? we have 1 leader with 1 minion, and then a minion that is either with that leader or not with that leader, and a traitor
We kind of know who the traitor is...
It's either:
(1) Chairman of Marketing /w 2 minions, MZ on the other side alone
or
(2) Chairman of Marketing /w 1 minion + MZ, and then a minion naked on the other side
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Wait...you used your power on Chez. You saw that he either sent or received a message that says "I'm lonely. Figure it out." That's it? No more?
Chez claimed he was a "Bossy Employee." As in:On July 22 2012 09:12 Protactinium wrote:Bossy Employee Show nested quote +You are the bully of the office! Although you have no official titles, you like exercising power. Your fellow coworkers become terrified with your mere presence. Once per half cycle, you may attempt to boss around any employee of your choice. To use this power, you must PM me with whatever message you wish to send, along with the name of your target employee. Your target will not be informed of your identity, and is under no obligation to comply with your orders. I reserve the right to censor your message if deemed inappropriate. Feel free to clarify anything with me if you have any questions. You win with the town for some reason. The role doesn't say one message, the role is 2 messages per cycle...
Multiple messages fits his role perfectly. Don't know if fakeclaim or outted self because of bad math.
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I'm laughing too hard at that second message to think straight about this.
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Imo either
Rasta to confirm his role (but then we lose our streak), Chez, or QbertZ.
Also, I still think the mirror rule is stupid. Really stupid and wrong. But for those that like it, even though it's wrong, if Chez is a mafia messenger then he matches up with Sandroba, and the possibility of one of the remaining mafia being one of our kingmakers is back on the table.
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On July 28 2012 00:02 rastaban wrote:
Also, why is it that QbertZ is being thought to be the final scum?
Chaos references, comment talking about a mole before town knew there was a mole.
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On July 28 2012 00:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 23:57 austinmcc wrote:
Imo either
Rasta to confirm his role (but then we lose our streak), Chez, or QbertZ.
Also, I still think the mirror rule is stupid. Really stupid and wrong. But for those that like it, even though it's wrong, if Chez is a mafia messenger then he matches up with Sandroba, and the possibility of one of the remaining mafia being one of our kingmakers is back on the table. I take it you have not missed the irony in you calling a theory like that stupid, dearest Never let it be said that I don't propose stupid theories myself. Just not that one.
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Wait...what? Can we get the text of the first message?
You say it fits into the context but didn't give it out before:On July 27 2012 23:19 rastaban wrote:I will give you the second message, the recipient of the first message can reveal it if they would like but as it has nothing game relevant and was merely trolling I will ignore it: I don't know what it means, but really the fact that their was another message is the incriminating part. So Chez will you deny that you got two messages or will you come up with a reason for it?
Could we get the full message, given that you're a likely shot target tonight?
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Oh. So that was one and then the other one was nothing more than "I'm lonely, figure it out?"
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On July 26 2012 05:36 gonzaw wrote:
Fuck it's Can't Believe all over again
Had to pull this up, ended up being too true. A lynch on you turns into a scum lynch and the game mostly wrapping up, with only one unknown scum remaining, and you, I guess, being town.
On July 27 2012 10:31 gonzaw wrote:
I actually think it's something like this:
Executive: Katina
Minions: QBertz Zealos Which of your two minions would you replace with Chezinu?
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