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On July 25 2012 12:00 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 11:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 25 2012 11:23 Mattchew wrote:
This is a fucking stupid dance. Lynch MZ cause you VE supersoft and syllo (and myself) all agree he is scum. This doesn't have to be some stare down between you and VE... no none of you have a case. Since we're all suggesting targets, I'd say you should lynch zealos. He's just about confirmed red because of sandroba, once he's out of the way we can actually spend the day arguing with each other over who to lynch. While yesterday was great because we killed scum, it kinda sucked in terms of discussion because it was so obvious. MZ, what do you think of Katina, austin and other people discussed by now? Yes, you've said "lynch Zealos" ever since N1, we already know you think he's scum.....so? What else? You can't think you complaining about people are considered contributions. Plus if you are really town and you know you'll likely get killed by Prob/lynch you should post all your reads and try to contribute as fast as you can to make sure people know what you think once you die and are "confirmed town".
Katina is... Katina. I got her lynched in liar game for play that was very similar to her play here. Her play style is definitely unique but I don't think she's scum this game.
Regarding austin, I had to look back through my own filter because I completely forgot what my earlier read of him was. I had him pegged as worthless town, however given that I had to look at my own filter to remember what I had previously thought of him I went and read his filter and I wasn't impressed. His attacks on sandroba look like a chainsaw defense of kurumi, and his attacks on GGQ look like a pathetic attempt to contribute. Other than that his filter is remarkably unremarkable so I'm gonna shift my read to scum.
Also for the record I want to kill sloosh as well.
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On July 25 2012 15:23 supersoft wrote:
stop. we are definetely not lynching Chezinu. wtf :D
Everyone hold your shit for a second. VE don't go all conspiracy theorist yet, that's austin's job iirc.
I propose we lynch zealos today. It's long overdue and it'll whittle down scum numbers even more.
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On July 25 2012 15:30 supersoft wrote:
we have also me. I am towndreamflower. But we also should have 2 executives, so we could have 2 messenger roles in our team. And so far we have no counterpart to sloosh.
This is a good point, if the mirror theory holds true then sloosh is probably the mafia nuke.
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EBWOP:
hmm I should make it clear that I'm not 100% sold on the mirror theory yet, just pointing out that if it's true sloosh is almost certainly scum.
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Could we have the OP updated?
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On July 25 2012 15:35 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 15:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 25 2012 15:30 supersoft wrote:
we have also me. I am towndreamflower. But we also should have 2 executives, so we could have 2 messenger roles in our team. And so far we have no counterpart to sloosh. This is a good point, if the mirror theory holds true then sloosh is probably the mafia nuke. nah sloosh/supersoft would be the mafia vig, who actually shot foolishness lol
Only one of them can have actually killed foolishness.
Here's my biggest problem with the mirror theory. There are 4 scum left, 2 are execs. That only leaves 2 other possible minions with roles. The mirror theory simply doesn't hold up since we know there are more than 2 townies with PRs.
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On July 25 2012 15:36 Probulous wrote:
Matt, hasn't it been tested already?
What exactly does another flip tell us that the previous ones haven't? It's a really bad reason to lynch someone.
@Meapak
Why did Zealos leave out the first line from sandroba's PM? I just don't understand how his reaction to sandroba makes him scum. Either he deliberately chose to remove that line and not respond to sandroba in thread, or he is dumb and wasn't reading.
Wait a second, maybe he expected Sandroba to die that night alleviating him of the need to post the PM? But that doesn't explain why he left out the first line. I don't get it, can someone explain to me?
hmm I had forgotten the whole bit where he took stuff out of the PM which is just incredibly dumb. I don't understand it either, however when I read that whole thing as it happened zealos just came across as scum who had gotten caught flat footed. Couple that with sandroba's flip and I felt really good about him being scum. The fact that he's basically disappeared hasn't helped my perception of him at all. If you're under suspicion and you're town you should be demonstrating why you're not mafia by being helpful and contributing... zealos has declined to do this. You could be right and he could simply be monumentally stupid.
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On July 25 2012 15:40 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 15:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 25 2012 15:35 Mattchew wrote:On July 25 2012 15:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 25 2012 15:30 supersoft wrote:
we have also me. I am towndreamflower. But we also should have 2 executives, so we could have 2 messenger roles in our team. And so far we have no counterpart to sloosh. This is a good point, if the mirror theory holds true then sloosh is probably the mafia nuke. nah sloosh/supersoft would be the mafia vig, who actually shot foolishness lol Only one of them can have actually killed foolishness. Here's my biggest problem with the mirror theory. There are 4 scum left, 2 are execs. That only leaves 2 other possible minions with roles. The mirror theory simply doesn't hold up since we know there are more than 2 townies with PRs. uh, double stack?
I would have thought the minions would have been warned off of shooting foolishness given how easy it would have been for someone to shoot foolishness and get away with it had he been town. I can understand the rational behind a mafia vig shooting foolishness which is exactly why I'd expect him to have warned people against it.
The more I think about it though, it doesn't matter either way since sloosh is scum no matter which way you slice it according to the mirror theory. Unless you think supersoft could be scum but I doubt it.
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On July 25 2012 15:49 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 15:44 Mattchew wrote:On July 25 2012 15:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
TBH I don't think the game was designed for 4 consecutive scum lynches and 2 D1 nuclear launches...but I mean, your guess is as good as mine. no one else has had their vote stolen. So BM's role hasn't been mirror'd. But where would it have been useful? Day was a no-lynch without the role and the other lynches have been almost unanimous. What is the point in revealing the role when it wouldn't make a difference to the outcome. It would be a decent play to wait until there are a few people left and bust it out then to secure a misslynch.
wait probulous are you saying that you think the mirror theory is correct?
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don't be paranoid VE, I am in no way colluding with probulous, I am hesitant to lynch Chezinu because even within the realm of your theory I think it's more likely that Chez mirrors an executive. That's not even taking into account the fact that he's largely played protown and had decent reads.
I am however very much in favor of lynching the first person who launches a nuke.
On an unrelated note, did you know dogs can get hiccups? Mine currently has them and it's driving me nuts lol.
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On July 25 2012 16:26 supersoft wrote:
ve, read the thread. really. we discussed the slooshtopic like 1474383 pages. no he did not claim the same role.
I want you all role claim you exact rolename and abilitys now.
i dont lynch based on a stupid mirrortheory, if i dont have all roleclaims.
today's lynch will be determined the good old behaviorbased way.
even though you still are welcome to roleclaim, meapak.
-_-
Don't ask for role claims if you're certain you're going to lynch me. That's just idiotic and gives scum more information than they need.
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On July 25 2012 16:32 supersoft wrote:
damn telephone.
meapak do it now. i bet you claim vt :-D
I'm not going to roleclaim
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On July 25 2012 16:36 supersoft wrote:
good. if you think i am now afraid that you're medic, you're wrong :D
You're not going to get me lynched. Like the rest of the long line of my accusers, you have no case, you're simply parroting what Palmar started. If you think I'm remotely concerned about dying then you're wrong.
If we can all consider some serious lynch candidates for a moment, I really don't like the idea of lynching anybody to prove your theory VE. I'd much prefer if we spent some time on sloosh or zealos. Also worth looking into are austin and I haven't forgotten about rastaban. In fact, depending on how things go with sloosh and zealos, it may actually be time to lynch rastaban today.
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On July 25 2012 16:45 supersoft wrote:
we have a case. If you read the thread, you will find it.
lol.
You're a good player supersoft but your weakness is that you sometimes get hopelessly arrogant. You don't have a case, I'm not getting lynched.
Moving on how about we hear from you on who you'd realistically like to lynch today.
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On July 25 2012 16:59 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 16:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 25 2012 16:45 supersoft wrote:
we have a case. If you read the thread, you will find it. lol. You're a good player supersoft but your weakness is that you sometimes get hopelessly arrogant. You don't have a case, I'm not getting lynched. Moving on how about we hear from you on who you'd realistically like to lynch today. btw. You're a good player, too. But i couldn't see that this game. That's one main allegation. You're not town, simply because you didn't reach your own standart.
That is a hopelessly bad argument. I recognize that my activity level isn't as high as I would like it to be, however my play hasn't been "bad." My reads have been good and I haven't made any major mistakes that hurt the town. No I haven't been as active as I usually am but if you actually take a moment to look at what I've done it's consistent with my standard town play, just on a smaller scale. If you're going to base your "main allegation" off of meta, at least read some scum games and see the difference.
This discussion is probably not going to get anywhere tonight so I'm going to bed. Tomorrow we'll decide whether it's a sloosh or zealos lynch. Maybe could even be rastaban's turn.
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@VE: if it's such an obvious case then I invite you to make it. The fact that no one can be arsed to is because people are lazy, not to get bitchy but you're an excellent example seeing as you can't even write something up fully fleshing out your theory. People want to lynch me because they're sheeping a million year old Palmar read.
Now I really am going to bed.
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lol these are all horrible so I'll stay up real quick and go through this.
On July 25 2012 17:14 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote:On July 25 2012 02:21 HiroPro wrote:On July 25 2012 02:18 supersoft wrote:
We are not lynching Zealos tomorrow. We lynch Meapak Explain the case to me then please. He has been very passive and his behavior near day 1 lynch deadline was quite suspicious. First he wanted to switch from BH to Gonzaw because mattchew's vote was "stuck" on gonzaw. He also stated that he was fine with lynching either BH or Gonzaw and cites Sandroba's support being one of his reasons for support gonzaw lynch. However, after the no-lynch he started the blame game in a very noncommittal manner, vaguely alluding to people responsible for the gonzaw wagon when BH and austin wagons were "well established". Now, who is responsible for Gonzaw wagon? Sandroba and Probulous, the former who is considered nearly confirmed town by this point! He also says people who "threw their vote away" are also under scrutiny, but they certainly didn't come under any scrutiny from Mr. Meapak. It's also worth nothing that Meapak hadn't voted at all until he showed up 45 minutes before the lynch when BH wagon was the dominant one. He had to vote, so he pretty much had no choice but to vote BH at the time. It doesn't get much more passive than this: On July 20 2012 04:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 20 2012 04:01 HiroPro wrote:
MZ, you think Zealos is scum? I do actually. He came in, was under some pressure, and then promptly checked out once he was safe. To me that's always extremely scummy. If you were a serious lynch target you had better work your ass off to give town reason to keep you around next time. Zealos hasn't done that. On July 20 2012 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:
I think Zealos is scum! The literal non-thread-reading and utter garbage that tries to look town but isn't makes him like my #1 scumread. Well that's nice to know, I'd appreciate if you wrote out a case. You're lucky to not be dying today so I think you should make some serious contributions to give people reasons to rethink their position on you. At the time Meapak is still sure that BH is mafia (though for some reason he writes a case on Rastaban instaed), but right after saying he thinks Zealos is mafia he weakly asks BH to write a case on Zealos. Now he, just like Palmar was, is barely posting and doesn't seem to care at all. No matter how many times syllo or anybody repeats the word "passive" does not make it a fact. D1, I wanted a lynch. No lynch means scum is in complete control. Sandroba (confirmed town) made a decent case on gonzaw (who has subsequently picked his game up) in interest of at least having a lynch I was willing to follow sandroba's judgement. In terms of the "blame game" (cute turn of phrase btw syllo) sandroba and probulous were on BH at the end, I have no problems with them there. The point about me not going after the people who threw their votes away is also ridiculous. D2 we needed to lynch kurumi, there was no point in bringing that up. Then the biggest offender, foolishness, died. So no problems there. Finally, I had voted BH in the thread hours before but simply forgot to vote in the voting thread. I've done this twice now this game.
As for the quotes, gj cherry picking syllo! I'm not even sure what they're trying to prove as they don't show anything. And I resent the comment about me not caring at all, as was established by protact, I went away for a few days. Naturally I'm going to have a low post count because of that period.
Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 06:32 marvellosity wrote:Oki doki, here are my thoughts (so you can hold me accountable, VE  ) Meapak_Ziph: Yeah, there's a high likelihood he's scum. syllogism pre-empted what I was going to say about him a couple of pages ago: + Show Spoiler +On July 25 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:21 HiroPro wrote:On July 25 2012 02:18 supersoft wrote:
We are not lynching Zealos tomorrow. We lynch Meapak Explain the case to me then please. He has been very passive and his behavior near day 1 lynch deadline was quite suspicious. First he wanted to switch from BH to Gonzaw because mattchew's vote was "stuck" on gonzaw. He also stated that he was fine with lynching either BH or Gonzaw and cites Sandroba's support being one of his reasons for support gonzaw lynch. However, after the no-lynch he started the blame game in a very noncommittal manner, vaguely alluding to people responsible for the gonzaw wagon when BH and austin wagons were "well established". Now, who is responsible for Gonzaw wagon? Sandroba and Probulous, the former who is considered nearly confirmed town by this point! He also says people who "threw their vote away" are also under scrutiny, but they certainly didn't come under any scrutiny from Mr. Meapak. It's also worth nothing that Meapak hadn't voted at all until he showed up 45 minutes before the lynch when BH wagon was the dominant one. He had to vote, so he pretty much had no choice but to vote BH at the time. It doesn't get much more passive than this: Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 04:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 20 2012 04:01 HiroPro wrote:
MZ, you think Zealos is scum? I do actually. He came in, was under some pressure, and then promptly checked out once he was safe. To me that's always extremely scummy. If you were a serious lynch target you had better work your ass off to give town reason to keep you around next time. Zealos hasn't done that. Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:
I think Zealos is scum! The literal non-thread-reading and utter garbage that tries to look town but isn't makes him like my #1 scumread. Well that's nice to know, I'd appreciate if you wrote out a case. You're lucky to not be dying today so I think you should make some serious contributions to give people reasons to rethink their position on you. At the time Meapak is still sure that BH is mafia (though for some reason he writes a case on Rastaban instaed), but right after saying he thinks Zealos is mafia he weakly asks BH to write a case on Zealos. Now he, just like Palmar was, is barely posting and doesn't seem to care at all. Passivity is the name of the game. I have two recent memories of Meapak playing town, that is Liar mafia and LV. In Liar Mafia Meapak was a central figure, being a part of the meapak/gonzaw/ET town circle. More pertinently, in LV he believed he had found scum in VisceraEyes, and what did he do? He made a big case and then relentlessly pushed VE until he got his lynch. We have none of this here. Here he has 'found scum' in rastaban and makes a case. Except he never pushes anyone to lynch rastaban, even though he pops up on occasion to go "yeah rastaban is still scum" and the like. Meapak is uninvested and scum. Marv just sheeping syllo lyk a baus. He also whips out that meta like there's no tomorrow. I've already established why I'm not tunnel city on rastaban so this whole post is worthless.Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 09:25 Katina wrote:
Meapak: Picks on easy targets for the most part. The only one he hard pushs is rastaban who hasn't been too active this game. He makes for an easy target. Meapak continues to push rastaban when it's clear that no one is going to go for it. His Mafia list is pretty meh, As I said the only hard read he has been pushing is rastaban to try and make it look like he's scum hunting so he doesn't draw too much suspicion.
Sheeping marv who's sheeping syllo.if you somehow didn't catch it, meapak :-D
Come up with a real case lol
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sigh I guess I better do this one real quick as well.
On July 25 2012 17:21 supersoft wrote:
Second allegation:
Gamebalance and math:
alive:
11. Supersoft town
15. syllogism town
7. VisceraEyes killed scum very unlikely scum when Prob is scum
10. Meapak_Ziphh
8. Bill Murray townread (can't be executive)
18. Chezinu town
4. Probulous killed scum very unlikely scum when VE is scum
dead
25. RebirthofLegend town
19. Kurumi town
13. Wherebugsgo town
3. Sandroba town
16. GGQ town
26. Palmar scum
6. Foolishness scum
Setup speculation=bullshit
Third allegation:
you have no abilitys. We have 2 executives missing. Foolishness CEO flip indicates, that good players are in key positions.
Setup speculation=bullshit
Fourth allegation:
Foolishness refused to mention you, even though you were discussed day1.
Syllo attacked you day1 and got attacked by foolish and palmar.
This proves what? This logic is retarded. Foolishness was a CEO and Palmar was a goon. There's literally no way for them to have planned that. Also foolishness never mentioned a lot of people lol, that's a dumb point
You gotta do better than this supersoft.
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Now I'm actually going to bed.
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On July 26 2012 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
If the Traitorous Employee wins with town, then why hasn't he claimed? What makes you think he wins with town slOosh? I didn't see ANYTHING that implied that in Foolish' role description slOosh, which is the only source of information on the subject I can even imagine.
Probably because he'd get instagibbed:
you have the power to kill your own employees. Any time during the game, you may use your secret trap door to anonymously (and instantaneously) kill one of your employees in an attempt to kill the traitor (one use). However, the trap door only works on your own employees. If you use it on a non-employee, the kill does not go through, they are notified someone made an attempt on their life but not who, and your night action immunity goes kaput.
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