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On July 18 2012 03:27 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 03:17 supersoft wrote:On July 18 2012 03:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Glad people are paying attention and voting BH. Posts like this though are a problem. The last thing we want is to give scum more information on sandro's role. On July 18 2012 00:31 austinmcc wrote:
Voting sandroba until he reveals his power. Don't waste your vote like that, try and do something productive. is this poor attempt to look useful by austin a scumtell or is he just useless all the time? he's not useless at all what do you think of MZ
I disagree Matt. I just read through his filter in LVI as town. He actually talks about his reads and who he wants to lynch when he's town.
In this game, the only thing related to actual play (and not setup) he ever said was that matt's case on Katina and Katina's case on Palmar looked wrong. I've asked him twice now for thoughts both on BH/MZ and on who his scum reads might be and he hasn't bothered to say anything. He's parked his vote on sandroba for no other reason than that he wants to know what his role is.
Looks like scum to me.
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On July 18 2012 04:35 Mattchew wrote:
Katina's arguments with me also reminds me of when we argued in MTG theme (not actual MTG) Mafia, (Foolishness I would love for you to look at that game for a game where she posts more than twice a day and seemingly cares)
Her play isn't really like that here. All she did in MTG was tunnel you and Nova_Terra with pointless reasoning.
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On July 18 2012 04:42 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 04:40 HiroPro wrote:On July 18 2012 04:35 Mattchew wrote:
Katina's arguments with me also reminds me of when we argued in MTG theme (not actual MTG) Mafia, (Foolishness I would love for you to look at that game for a game where she posts more than twice a day and seemingly cares) Her play isn't really like that here. All she did in MTG was tunnel you and Nova_Terra with pointless reasoning. Do you think she hasnt tunneled me and Palmar this game? and Do you think her reasoning is good?
I have no idea whether or not her point on Palmar's meta is valid - I haven't been able to find any town games by Palmar.
She has kind of tunneled you but I think that's partly because of how much you yourself have focused on her. Like almost every post that you've had this game has talked about Katina. It seems more like a frustrated townie to me.
And she has been talking about other people than just you and Palmar.
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I can't tell if austin really believes this or not...
austin, can you give me a scum read based on behavior and not just on setup speculation.
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Also austin, you don't think that sandroba's behavior apart from the Kurumi thing has been townie? His case on BH?
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On July 18 2012 05:11 austinmcc wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 18 2012 04:59 HiroPro wrote:
I can't tell if austin really believes this or not...
austin, can you give me a scum read based on behavior and not just on setup speculation. austin actually believes this. You want a scumread based on behavior and not just setup speculation, and you've asked me before, so I will oblige. I'm worried about GGQHe's posted almost nothing. He's barely been involved in any topics that thread has been discussing (But austinmcc, you've been doing those same things. Yup). He, also has played in a sleeper cell game before (as scum). It's not a perfect match to this style of game, but it's the closest we have. People that played in those games before, even a long time back, are valuable and have insight we should be trusting. But does he really provide that insight? No. On July 17 2012 03:25 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 19:13 Probulous wrote:
So in essence I should have kept that to myself?
I find it highly unlikely that mafia will be pushing strong reads day 1 given the setup. For two reasons, one they may be pushing one of their own, two they will be held accountable. So my thinking was to out to the thread so people are aware of it. Yes mafia are too but all this does is limit their options. How exactly does this help me further my agenda if I am mafia?
My experience playing scum in two Sleeper Cell games tells me that this is the opposite of true. If you aren't burdened by knowledge of your teammates, it's much easier to come out strong on day 1. See, this is helpful. This is probably a truthful statement. This is someone who has been in those 9 people's shoes, saying how he felt, and it's good to know that. But then next post, we lose that helpfulness: On July 17 2012 03:26 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 18:59 risk.nuke wrote:Holding people accountable to their day 1 reads is dumb. As always you will want to question people who change their reads drastically or oddly. This however completely-100%-absolutely-have-nothing-in-common-with holding people accountable for their day 1 reads. Chaos and rockin the boat is equally dumb. I don't know to what effect scum can use their communication but it seems to be very limited. Destroying the atmosphere and towns sense of direction to slightly damage the scums abillity to communicate seems like shooting a mosquito on the foot with a bazooka. Blazinghand is the one who's spot on. On July 16 2012 15:32 Blazinghand wrote:
@Prob: I think that's Chezinu you got quoted there.
In any case, in this setup it seems pretty straightforwards to me. Analyze like normal, hold people to their views like normal, look for weird unsubstantiated cases like normal. There's more scum and they're less organized, but I don't see why we need to do our D1 or D2 anything different than what we typically do. Just keep an eye open for people doing shit without legit town motives and you're good to go as always.
@Chezinu: Chaos bad
##vote: Chezinu The only difference between this game and a normal game is everyone needs to scumhunt. Wait, how is that different from a regular game again? Just an offhand remark, a little joke, when the topic is one that he could actually contribute something useful towards. A nothingpost upon getting called out for lurking: On July 17 2012 03:36 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 03:27 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 03:25 GGQ wrote:On July 16 2012 19:13 Probulous wrote:
So in essence I should have kept that to myself?
I find it highly unlikely that mafia will be pushing strong reads day 1 given the setup. For two reasons, one they may be pushing one of their own, two they will be held accountable. So my thinking was to out to the thread so people are aware of it. Yes mafia are too but all this does is limit their options. How exactly does this help me further my agenda if I am mafia?
My experience playing scum in two Sleeper Cell games tells me that this is the opposite of true. If you aren't burdened by knowledge of your teammates, it's much easier to come out strong on day 1. Why are you active lurking? wtf are you talking about? Aaaaaaaaaand his vote + reasoning On July 17 2012 03:42 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 03:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 17 2012 03:27 Mattchew wrote:On July 17 2012 03:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 17 2012 03:13 Mattchew wrote:On July 17 2012 03:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
so mattchew lemme get this right, I'm scummy because I "seems to be trying to look sensible and not shitstorm causing." Umm... duh so basically I'm scum because I'm playing protown? That's some pretty wicked logic there. cause you are playing an easy to fake pro-town without actually doing anything pro-town That's bullshit and you know it lol. you have said the word "chaos" or talked about town stability in almost every post you have made. Did you elect yourself town peacekeeper? Because basically every one of your posts has extremely little to do with actually finding and lynching scum Actually I'm playing smart and waiting until I have a solid case before I go after someone. In contrast, you have your idiotic crusade against katina and that's it. Discussion should be currently centered around Palmar for his inability/refusal to play. BH should be a secondary consideration for his random wild play. And of course I still haven't forgot chez and the smurf, I'm interested to see if they start playing as well. This may come as a shock but it's not always a good idea to shit up the thread with random cases. My lack of a formal "case" is way better than your little spat with Katina. What? Why? What would that accomplish? How would that help us find scum? Palmar does that shit all the time. It's stupid and unhelpful but arguing about it has never changed him before and it won't now. ##vote blazinghand He comments on palmar, gives 0 reasoning why he likes BH as a candidate. Never has. Never has mentioned BH.
There's nothing about GGQ that makes me think he's town; but this is a really easy case for anyone to make - the guy only has like 4 posts. What separates GGQ from someone like layabout or RoL for you?
Also can you respond to my other question about sandroba - what you think about his behavior other than with respect to Kurumi. And if you're town, please be more active and involved in the discussion.
Meapak, what do you think of this case?
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Palmar, do you still have a null read on austin?
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On July 18 2012 05:41 austinmcc wrote:
To be fair, I think sandro is fine for feeling that way about syllo. I got no problems with that argument this game, that we can leave certain players alive a few days, watch their hunting, and then reevaluate come D3-4.
Do you not think that we can apply this same logic to sandroba? Consider his cases and reads (which so far look townie and good to me) and then if he for some reason is not dead by D3, take a closer look at him?
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Katina, you've never mentioned anything about BH before. Why lynch him?
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On July 18 2012 07:40 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 07:35 Palmar wrote:
It makes very little sense for austinmcc to take such a controversial stance as scum. I've never played with the guy before, but when something looks good and is agreed on by town, it's generally not scum who stand up and put their necks on the line to call town out on it.
I don't agree with him, but in a game where I was expecting mafia to be awfully self-aware, his play seems straight up counterproductive. It's a very weird/dumb/ballsy thing to do as mafia.
And no, BlazingHand is town. stop voting him.
Can we kill MZ instead pls? Since my Katina push isn't going anywhere (hey anyone notice that awesome reasoning she had for voting BH?) I will aid you in the pushing and killing of MZ ##unvote
##vote Meapak_Ziphh
Yes, I did see that. I'm wondering whether I was wrong about her....
I'm in two minds about austin right now.
It took me forever to actually extract any reads from him, and when he finally did post something it was a fairly easy case on GGQ. And from my previous read of LVI and what little I just glanced at from LV I know that he normally does much more scumhunting. And his whole stance on Sandroba is so weird - he doesn't see anything really wrong with Sandroba's behavior but yet he wants to kill him based solely on the fact that he thinks the role is overpowered and thus fake... And this response that he gave to me when I asked why he wouldn't consider waiting a few days like he wants for syllo doesn't make sense to me:
Because my read isn't based on his demeanor, his posting style, something off about his reads (something you can check on for a day or two), I don't want to leave him up.
But this is the thing. He does make conspiracy theories as town - that much is true, his thing on Toad/MZ in LV was based pretty much only on Toad's usage of his role and not on behavior. And there is one big thing that makes me not see a mafia motivation - one one hand he tries to avoid attention by lurking and not posting reads, but on the other hand he makes a conspiracy theory that can only blow up in his own face? That doesn't seem like mafia to me.
So I'm going to stay with the BH lynch. The early case on him was good and so were the points wbg brought up later.
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Wouldn't mafia want to kill you regardless of whether your ability is one-shot or not though, sandroba?
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Gonzaw is not going to get lynched today. It's BH, austin, or maybe MZ.
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On July 18 2012 09:27 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 09:25 marvellosity wrote:
you're on drugs if you think 13 more people are gonna vote gonzaw in the next few hours Well with an attitude like that, sure. No thoughts on my case at all 
I read your case. My problem with it is that so much is explained by the fact that gonzaw is busy and just not reading. I'll wait and see on him
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Go back to calling me scum. I'm more used to that 
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sigh, let me read gonzaw's filter properly.
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I'll sheep prob/sandro on this. There's nothing about gonzaw that makes me think town, and even if he is busy/not reading I would still expect him to be hollering and screaming for his own lynch. And it is kind of scummy that the only mafia aspect that he brings up about austin when voting for him is that he "clogged up the thread".
I would still prefer a BH lynch though.
##Unvote Blazinghand
##Vote gonzaw
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Why do thing sound so good when you say them, Probulous
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Why you do think austin is scum, GGQ?
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I like the BH lynch more too. Looks like we might still be able to get it.
##Unvote
##Vote Blazinghand
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