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Foolishness
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On July 21 2012 02:45 HiroPro wrote:
You know what I find interesting Foolishness? The fact that Kurumi's response to sandroba's message is enough for you to kill him, but Zealos's response to sandroba's message isn't even worth mentioning in your read.
Your "case" against him is taking things completely out of context. Zealos said early on he didn't like the BH lynch cause it was overtunneled and had weak reasons. He changed his opinion later on and he even said so and gave a reason why. I'm pretty sure I can find at least two other people who didn't like the BH lynch at first either but then changed their minds later (Probulous and VE come to my mind, correct me if I'm wrong though).
What's the rest of your case about? It seems to me to be all about not voting BH and then deciding to vote him. He clearly explained himself (yeah I agree not the best explanation in the world, but you're nitpicking at nothing).
Again, post a case otherwise there's no reason to be talking about lynching this guy.
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Foolishness
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On July 21 2012 03:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 02:16 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 02:01 rastaban wrote:On July 21 2012 01:49 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 01:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 21 2012 01:14 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 00:57 Palmar wrote:
your persistence is amazing kurumi.
Did I mention katina is scum? How about you look into her? Don't trash one of the few people that's making sense this game. looool Your contributions to this game have been overwhelming foolishness, I have seen the light and realized that katina is indeed valuable to the town. How could I have not seen this before... riiiiiight. Anyway we need to all make sure kurumi dies today. There's no excuse if he somehow wiggles out of this again. People need to remember this, it doesn't matter what alignment sandroba is at this point, kurumi got caught hook line and sinker. It'd be actually retarded if he somehow gets away. It's great to discuss more potential lynch targets but everyone needs to make sure the kurumi lynch happens today. I've seen a couple people call him town in the last couple pages (cough rastaban cough) this is just grossly negligent failure to read the thread, don't let this sentiment somehow take hold. Again, if you think about it, it doesn't matter which side sandro is on for kurumi to be scum. Well you should have seen it a lot of earlier. Can you give me a name of someone who makes more sense? I can only think of two people in which you can make an argument for. It's fine to discuss potential lynch targets, the issue is that it is day two and literally every player has been accused. There's absolutely zero focus. One page people are talking about Zealos, 3 pages later it's about Chezinu. With so many cases it's hard to tell who is actually trying to make a case (townies) and who's just fueling the fire (mafia). From what I can see though the people of interest in this regard are Blazinghand (should be obvious by now), marvellosity, and HiroPro. supersoft, Mattchew, Probulous, Palmar and yourself are somewhat guilty but not to the same extent. Other than BM where should the focus be? Don't you beleive that Kurumi and Zealos are scum? We have BH after both of them. I am confused on what you want to focus on, is their more to discuss on these 3 players? I am just confused as to what you mean by wanting to focus. It seems to me that town is pretty agreed on the next, 2 if not 3 lynches. Clearly there's still plenty more to discuss as the number of times I've seen a unique "Player X should be our day 3 lynch" is substantial. Kurumi yes (that's why I've voted for him), Blazinghand yes, Bill Murray yes, Zealos I'm not convinced at all. Frankly there's no real case against him. You and blazinghand and Kurumi (as well as a few others) have all claimed he's mafia but have yet to provide more than a single sentence explanation. It was the same thing that happened with austin yesterday; nobody really made a case against him, everyone just decided to sheep along with one persons' thoughts and jump ship. Until someone actually makes a case there's no reason why Zealos should be getting killed. you're so cute. You say I just go along with the flow of the cases and stir the pot, and then you say this... when I was one the biggest outspoken babes at the time fighting AGAINST what you're saying was a silly austin lynch. adorable <3
Don't take what I said out of context. I said you subtly like to push any and all cases that come up against you and I said you don't like to make cases and instead fuel the fire on other cases that are made. I said nothing about austin in there.
I don't literally expect you to push every single case that comes up. If that was true you would have accused everyone in the game of being mafia by now. Don't be silly.
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Foolishness
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On July 21 2012 03:12 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:10 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 02:45 HiroPro wrote:
You know what I find interesting Foolishness? The fact that Kurumi's response to sandroba's message is enough for you to kill him, but Zealos's response to sandroba's message isn't even worth mentioning in your read. Your "case" against him is taking things completely out of context. Zealos said early on he didn't like the BH lynch cause it was overtunneled and had weak reasons. He changed his opinion later on and he even said so and gave a reason why. I'm pretty sure I can find at least two other people who didn't like the BH lynch at first either but then changed their minds later (Probulous and VE come to my mind, correct me if I'm wrong though). What's the rest of your case about? It seems to me to be all about not voting BH and then deciding to vote him. He clearly explained himself (yeah I agree not the best explanation in the world, but you're nitpicking at nothing). Again, post a case otherwise there's no reason to be talking about lynching this guy. Don't forget the parts where he's not doing anything helpful and then gets outed by sandro.
Here's a list of people who aren't doing anything helpful:
Sloosh, HiroPro, Bill Murray, MZ, austin, syllogism, GGQ, yourself, Kurumi, Mattchew, marvellosity, risk,nuke, Qbertz, Palmar, and Zealos.
Hardly a reason to be killing Zealos when I can easily say the same thing about any of the above players. Furthermore from what I understand sandroba sent him a message and he didn't post it. From his filter it's quite clear to me the guy has no idea what's going on in the game, I don't see anything unnatural about how he handled the situation. Dumb/bored townie != mafia.
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Foolishness
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sandroba didn't send Kurumi a PM
On July 19 2012 02:49 sandroba wrote:
Yes I am denying it. I didn't message kurumi. There are 9 mafia in this game so I guess I'm one short I'm sorry. And yes I didn't know katina was mafia for sure until her recent post that says she is mafia. Please teach me so I can do better.
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Foolishness
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On July 21 2012 03:34 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:23 Foolishness wrote:sandroba didn't send Kurumi a PM On July 19 2012 02:49 sandroba wrote:
Yes I am denying it. I didn't message kurumi. There are 9 mafia in this game so I guess I'm one short I'm sorry. And yes I didn't know katina was mafia for sure until her recent post that says she is mafia. Please teach me so I can do better. Whoa, I didn't send kurumi the PM at night. I sent him a PM day 1, I thought that was obvious. Kurumi claimed recieving 2 PMs, mine and another one during the night.
-_- I totally misinterpreted what happened there
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Foolishness
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On July 21 2012 08:59 Mattchew wrote:VE can you do me the favor of comparing MTG Mafia mini to Katina's this game
Do you think anyone else is mafia besides Katina? It seems to me she's the only person you talk about.
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Foolishness
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On July 21 2012 09:07 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 08:46 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 21 2012 08:39 Blazinghand wrote:On July 21 2012 08:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 21 2012 08:35 Katina wrote:On July 21 2012 07:16 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm crazy! I'll do it!
##unvote
##vote: sandroba Okay, really? Anyone who says this guy shouldn't be our D3 lynch should seriously consider going back to some newbie games... He knows he's Mafia. He's only doing this because he's so obviously guilty. I'm inclined to agree, but I REALLY REALLY want to lynch Executives. This inter-office communication bullshit is gonna continue to be convoluted and confusing. Katina, do you think I'm insane for thinking sandroba is scum? If so, please tell me nicely.  Look, I think it's pretty clear what's gonna happen. Either Kurumi flips scum and we lynch zealos tomorrow, or Kurumi flips town and we lynch Sandro tomorrow. I don't see how it could possibly be optimal to lynch me tomorrow. WHY?! WHY WHEN I COME UP WITH THIS CRAZY SHIT DOES NOONE HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M DOING WRONG RATHER THAN JUST CALL ME CRAZY OR STUPID OR A COMBINATION OF BOTH?! I'm not stupid guys, but obviously I'm missing something if I'm completely wrong here...I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT IS. Something in my thought-process is wrong, because the way it looks to me, Sandroba is like OBVIOUSLY scum. So what is it?! WHY am I being ridiculous thinking that Sand is scum? Wait wait. Wait. Chezinu is pretty much claiming "Director of Communication". DIRECTOR of Communication. So his boss would naturally be "Chairman of the Board [of Directors]". EZPZ. I'll see you guys bright and early in the morning. First one here might just get a prize! remember the bank!
Dear Mr. Manager,
Is it true that Mr. VisceraEyes is your most trusted and loyal customer at your bank?
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Foolishness
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It's like Kurumi tries to be mafia when he's town.
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Foolishness
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On July 21 2012 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
The CEO likely doesn't know who picked what Chez. He probably gets a list and is made to choose one from the list, as it says in (under) the OP.
I'm in the "Lynch Foolishness" camp tomorrow.
So you think Blazinghand is town then?
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Foolishness
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On July 21 2012 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 09:26 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
The CEO likely doesn't know who picked what Chez. He probably gets a list and is made to choose one from the list, as it says in (under) the OP.
I'm in the "Lynch Foolishness" camp tomorrow. So you think Blazinghand is town then? No I think Blazinghand is less likely to flip Executive than you.
That's the most ridiculous thing ever. Blazinghand has practically admitted he is mafia and you're just going to let him run around in hopes of hitting executives?
That's like a sane DT getting a red check and you don't kill the guy cause you think he's a miller (hilariously enough this happened in my first mafia game here...care to guess which side won?).
You can't ignore the players who have lots of good analysis against them (Blazinghand, Bill Murray, syllogism and austin and GGQ to some extent, etc) in the hopes of sniping an executive. That's just paving the way for a mafia victory; any competent person will tell you that.
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Foolishness
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On July 21 2012 09:37 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 09:35 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 21 2012 09:26 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
The CEO likely doesn't know who picked what Chez. He probably gets a list and is made to choose one from the list, as it says in (under) the OP.
I'm in the "Lynch Foolishness" camp tomorrow. So you think Blazinghand is town then? No I think Blazinghand is less likely to flip Executive than you. That's the most ridiculous thing ever. Blazinghand has practically admitted he is mafia and you're just going to let him run around in hopes of hitting executives? That's like a sane DT getting a red check and you don't kill the guy cause you think he's a miller (hilariously enough this happened in my first mafia game here...care to guess which side won?). You can't ignore the players who have lots of good analysis against them (Blazinghand, Bill Murray, syllogism and austin and GGQ to some extent, etc) in the hopes of sniping an executive. That's just paving the way for a mafia victory; any competent person will tell you that. Sorry, I stopped giving a shit about this game. But hey! At least we have something in common now right?!
I didn't mean to piss you off or be that mean when I posted that. You're one of the few people that are making sense this game; don't stab yourself now.
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Foolishness
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On July 21 2012 09:46 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 09:43 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 09:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 21 2012 09:35 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 21 2012 09:26 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
The CEO likely doesn't know who picked what Chez. He probably gets a list and is made to choose one from the list, as it says in (under) the OP.
I'm in the "Lynch Foolishness" camp tomorrow. So you think Blazinghand is town then? No I think Blazinghand is less likely to flip Executive than you. That's the most ridiculous thing ever. Blazinghand has practically admitted he is mafia and you're just going to let him run around in hopes of hitting executives? That's like a sane DT getting a red check and you don't kill the guy cause you think he's a miller (hilariously enough this happened in my first mafia game here...care to guess which side won?). You can't ignore the players who have lots of good analysis against them (Blazinghand, Bill Murray, syllogism and austin and GGQ to some extent, etc) in the hopes of sniping an executive. That's just paving the way for a mafia victory; any competent person will tell you that. Sorry, I stopped giving a shit about this game. But hey! At least we have something in common now right?! I didn't mean to piss you off or be that mean when I posted that. You're one of the few people that are making sense this game; don't stab yourself now. ITP Foolishness says I'm making sense when I say I want to lynch him. For further updates, tune your AM dial to 1337.
Just because you make sense doesn't mean I agree with all your reads or everything you say.
Would you prefer me to be like 95% of TL Mafia players and instantly accuse you of being mafia just cause you think I'm mafia and I'm not???
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Foolishness
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VE do you have anything to say about Bill Murray?
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Foolishness
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Palmar - number of pages in filter by start of day 3 by game
Mafia
iGrok's Normal - 2.8
Emergency Mini - replaced in and had less than 1 page of filter
Liar game - 3.5
Werewolves - 2.5
Town
PYP redux - 3
JubJub - 4.2
Resistance 2 - 7 pages by start of Mission 3
Arkham City - 11.5
Mafia L - 3 pages at end of day 1 (he was lynched)
Election Mafia - 9 pages under hydra with syllogism.
This game you have barely made it to page 4....hmmm....
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Foolishness
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On July 22 2012 02:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmar two proven messenger roles that can target town. One is sum right? Its Chezinu imo imo.
Weren't you just trying to tell us sandroba was scum?
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Foolishness
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On July 22 2012 04:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
You and Foolish have both stated similar aims. :/
All right, that's BH in my opinion, Foolish is right.
Because worrying about it is going to drive us in circles (and it kinda already has). There are a lot of solid cases on people (BM, BH, Mattchew and syllogism and Zealos, etc) and they are just getting ignored because people are too worried about the chain of command.
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Foolishness
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On July 22 2012 04:36 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 04:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I mean, if our thought is "sandro can't be trusted" I'd see why we're not lynching Zealos, but... we're also not lynching sandro? It just seems to me that between Sandro, Zealos, and Palmar we should totally be able to find a non-me lynch today This is the SECOND scum who didn't understand what happened to my read of Sandro. Guys you'd be SO much better off if you read the thread - I mean logically, if you're better off reading the thread as town you're better off reading the thread as scum right? LOL
Your attitude is so helpful
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Foolishness
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On July 22 2012 04:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Players widely regarded as scum:
Foolishness, Blazinghand, Palmar (though at present I don't want to lynch him) and...what, has Chezinu reached that threshold yet?
That's our lynch docket tomorrow: Foolishness, Blazinghand, Palmar, Chezinu
Because we need focus.
Someone made a case against me?
Where?
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Foolishness
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On July 22 2012 04:44 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 04:43 Foolishness wrote:On July 22 2012 04:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Players widely regarded as scum:
Foolishness, Blazinghand, Palmar (though at present I don't want to lynch him) and...what, has Chezinu reached that threshold yet?
That's our lynch docket tomorrow: Foolishness, Blazinghand, Palmar, Chezinu
Because we need focus. Someone made a case against me? Where? Did I say that at all? I said you're widely regarded as scum, not that anyone made a case against you. Just making observations bro...if you want off that list then change peoples' opinions of you. *shrug*
What information is there against Chezinu? Why is he on the list?
Need to stick to people who there's evidence on. Blazinghand knows he's mafia that's the only reason he's posting the way he is. It seems like nobody is sure enough on Palmar (except Katina) to want to push him over the edge (though for the record I'd be fine killing him in the near future).
Furthermore, until someone can refute anything I've said against BM there's no reason to not kill him either. At the least you can answer me the question, "what has BM done this game that's protown?" and find me a game where BM is town and acts just like he is this game.
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Foolishness
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On July 22 2012 04:58 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 02:50 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 22 2012 02:32 Foolishness wrote:On July 22 2012 02:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmar two proven messenger roles that can target town. One is sum right? Its Chezinu imo imo. Weren't you just trying to tell us sandroba was scum? AS usual, not reading the thread. It all revolved around my paranoid belief that sandroba was bussing his teammates and was an executive. This was disproven A) by him messaging me and B) by Kurumi flipping town. Keep up Foolish, we can't carry you all game. Gonna have to do something bro. BM has claimed some kind of vote-stealer. The fact that he claims it gives me hope that he's town, because I can see scum wanting to hide that power until necessary (Read: TL Mafia XLVIII). Jackal essentially won the game for us with it after we all mass-scum-claimed. *shrug*
He's calling me scum, but I think he's just misguided. He doesn't believe it strongly enough to push my lynch, and others have expressed at least passing suspicion of me (Mattchew, layabout?, marvellosity). Would scumBM not have pushed my lynch under these conditions if he were "suspicious" of me? Foolish can you comment on these points on BM I raised?
I don't think his roleclaim should have any bearing on what we think of him. It's definitely in BM's personality to claim a role as soon as he's attacked. He already confirmed that he can do what he says he can. Whether he's telling the whole truth or just half of it I don't know, but as I said it shouldn't be a big concern.
Scum BM does not hard push for people. He's also said that supersoft is mafia but hasn't said anything more. He also called sandroba town and called him confirmed scum 12 hours later.
Furthermore, his last minute "Kurumi is town" spiel struck me as rather odd and out of place. For instance rastaban said Kurumi was town but at least put effort into trying to convince the town otherwise. BM just kinda came in last minute with the "Chez confirmed scum" thing and has since disappeared. Of course we expect BM to be all over the place, but has he actually helped the town so far? No. Didn't he also refuse to show someone else that he can move someone else's vote around? I don't see any reason to refuse to do that considering how easy it is.
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