EPTOn July 30 2012 07:01 gonzaw wrote:
You do realize that rastaban claimed the exact same thing before right?
You do realize that rastaban claimed the exact same thing before right?
sorry, could you link where this is?
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
sorry, could you link where this is? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
austin is very likely scum. The only possible way he's town is if scum have a "fake-message" ability, which I doubt. These are the 2 possible scum teams I can figure out: austin Chezinu Katina austin Chezinu risk.nuke Chezinu received a message, and he is the only "messenger" left, so he's a minion who received a message from his executive. The problem is that he could have figured out Katina was his executive, but him "figuring it out" doesn't mean she actually is (although I think is the most likely). Also his message could have just been irrelevant and he was just fooling around anyways. Also the bit about the message "incriminating" Chezinu just feels too odd, and austin claiming that out of nowhere after Chezinu was "caught" is too much of a coincidence. However, risk.nuke up there just instantly jumps against austin without even taking into account that I could be mafia as well. It seems like a planned bus, so when I flip town risk gets the town cred and gets to bus austin later. Like I said, once I flip austin should be lynched, and I assume that's what you guys will do. However if that happens, risk.nuke would be come almost confirmed town since austin's message incriminated him, so one would say "Oh, austin wouldn't incriminate his own buddy like that when they are on the verge of losing, so he's town". Well guess what, that could win scum the game, specially if they will only need 3-4 misslynches (don't remember how many of them they needed) to win. What makes me start to think this is how austin wants to lynch me even though from his POV risk nuke is confirmed scum Let me remind you of this quote On July 28 2012 23:33 austinmcc wrote: Going ahead and voting Gonzaw. Don't love leaving minions with powers up, but we can be more sure, given the writing, that the message came from Gonzaw, no matter who it went to. If there's something wonky with the other stuff, we can figure it out once we've cut off mafia communication. The dude is "sure" that "given the writing" the message came from me, no matter who it went to For fucks sake if there's any scumslip in the world it's this one. Again, let me remind you: from his POV risk nuke is confirmed scum! How the hell can he say "no matter who it went to"? From your POV It went to scum, and you should know that! The fact that he forgets about risk when he's "confirmed scum" in his eyes is damning actually. If risk was town I think he'd try to misslynch him instead of going against me. You know actually fuck it, Katina is town then (Zealos and QBertz are town so I am not surprised by now). Once I'm lynched, lynch austin, then Chezinu and then risk nuke, or just lynch them in whatever order you guys want. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
*sigh* Read the thread (or just filter rastaban) | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Scum are on the verge of losing, so to win they'd need an overly-complicated gambit that includes all 3 of them (austin, Chezinu, risk.nuke) and adds a lot of chaos and confusion and can make them change the game, specially if they kill influential town members in each of these subsequent nights and only leave the "sheep townies" alive, who will have no fucking idea what to do. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Hmm, I think it could be something like this: Chairman of Marketing: austin Bossy Employee Minion: Chezinu Broadcaster Minion: risk.nuke I take it perhaps the "Broadcaster" ability is actually from scum and is actually risk.nukes role. If risk.nuke was lynched, he'd flip that adding lots of credibility to austin's "claim", even if I flip town. If I flip town he can just say "risk.nuke flipped Broadcaster just like I said, so I'm legit. I'm sure scum decided to incriminate gonzaw with that message just in case someone intercepted it. Yeah maybe scum sent that message after rastaban claimed, and oh yeah I lied and I got it instantly at night not in the day!" or something like that. At worst it could add confusion in the thread and may give him a little more time. Chezinu is obviously "Bossy employee" or has the same ability. That leaves austin as chairman of marketing, which doesn't make much sense if Palmar was his minion (I'd think Palmar would be executive and austin a minion, by "meta" standards at least), but well sloosh was chosen as executive instead of BH/layabout/MZ which I guess means we shouldn't take it into account | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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gonzaw
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....so? Have you read rastaban's claim then? Did you change your mind? No? Why? Why not? | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Don't worry, if you flip town, I will take a closer look but right now flipping you makes the most sense to me. My problem with your play is that you started terribly and then never really got into the game until this last day. It is like you want to contribute only when under pressure and that makes it hard to take your thoughts seriously. Like I said, if you are town, your words will gain some weight with me because it is clear you are putting effort in. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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austinmcc
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On July 30 2012 07:39 Probulous wrote: I'm reading it Gonzaw. Don't worry, if you flip town, I will take a closer look but right now flipping you makes the most sense to me. My problem with your play is that you started terribly and then never really got into the game until this last day. It is like you want to contribute only when under pressure and that makes it hard to take your thoughts seriously. Like I said, if you are town, your words will gain some weight with me because it is clear you are putting effort in. Well, I know I didn't play up to my "usual town" standards, but I really hope you guys read what I posted once I flip. On July 30 2012 00:36 VisceraEyes wrote: This. Maybe once Gonzaw is gone scum will surrender...he's notorious for "never give up, never surrender" isn't he?  Never gonna give town up, Never gonna let town down Never gonna run around and desert town Never gonna make town cry, Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt town But no, if I was scum I think I'd surrender by now. Although if I was scum I wouldn't know who my buddies would be, so maybe I could be scum with Prob and syllo or something so there'd be no need for me to surrender. On July 30 2012 07:41 austinmcc wrote: Gonzaw, if I'm chairman of marketing, how did I see the PM that risk.nuke received from Chez last night? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=202#4033 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=202#4035 You didn't "see" any PM, rastaban did and then you just said "lol I saw it too" It wouldn't take a genius to see that Chezinu sent it to risk either, or you just took a guess | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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VisceraEyes
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Obviously Chezinu sent the message to risk, since all 3 of you are scumbuddies lol | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Maybe as a ways to finally confirm the names of the mafia team to each other (although I guess you knew who each of you were by now) | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
And the third PM from N1, confirmed by WBG, just happened to materialize out of thin air? Plus, in either of your scenarios, rastaban is town. I just happen to know his role PM, despite all other mafia flipping with VT fakeclaims? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On July 30 2012 08:13 austinmcc wrote: So Q-bert-Z just happens to bold the word mole in his earlier post, but it turns out he's town? So Zealos just happens to hide a scum message, then cut part of it to post it, then do nothing for the entire game, but it turns out he's town? I don't understand what the hell some townies are doing this game, so I'm done trying to understand what they are doing. And the third PM from N1, confirmed by WBG, just happened to materialize out of thin air? That's probably what the "Broadcaster" ability does, or it could have just been the remaining minion ability we don't know about (if it isn't the Broadcaster one) Plus, in either of your scenarios, rastaban is town. I just happen to know his role PM, despite all other mafia flipping with VT fakeclaims? *sigh* http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=192#3834 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=195#3890 It's obvious you just claimed the same thing he did | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
On July 30 2012 08:24 gonzaw wrote: So Zealos just happens to hide a scum message, then cut part of it to post it, then do nothing for the entire game, but it turns out he's town? I don't understand what the hell some townies are doing this game, so I'm done trying to understand what they are doing. That's probably what the "Broadcaster" ability does, or it could have just been the remaining minion ability we don't know about (if it isn't the Broadcaster one) *sigh* http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=192#3834 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=195#3890 It's obvious you just claimed the same thing he did So, what's your role? | ||
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