On July 21 2012 09:35 layabout wrote:For all intents and purposes sandroba is town.
This game requires half of the thread to agree on a lynch. Kurumi is
near confirmed scum.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 21 2012 04:31 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 04:26 syllogism wrote:
I'd rather lynch confirmed mafia who aren't necessarily minions, such as Palmar or Foolishness. Even today there is a small chance kurumi is a trolling,lying, against win-con playing townie while there is no chance whatsoever that foolishness or palmar are town.
If you wanted to make me angry, consider yourself successful. Fuck you.
he was angry that syllogism proposed that he could do this as town
And yet there are 5 votes not on Kurumi! We are going to need focus more and we are going to need to stop joking around with votes and thread actions.
Palmar and Foolishness are calling syllogism mafia. Syllogism in turn is calling both Palmar and Foolishness mafia. Many of you insist on speculating that the host will have made the CEO one of these players (or sandroba or Meapak). It is always dangerous to make decisions based upon out-guessing the host. But if we are aiming to kill the CEO we should plac e our attention on those 3 players.
If we are looking for the person most likely to flip scum tomorrow we need look no further tahn our good friend zealos. I defended him initially but his actions since then show that he is either a mafia or a townie that isn't playing.
READ:On July 19 2012 06:27 wherebugsgo wrote:+ Show Spoiler [snip] +Okay, several things:
I can confirm that there is at least one messaging power that can be used on townies. I received this after the daypost:
Congratulations! You tripped down some stairs and hit your head. When you woke up, you realized that you were actually a member of the House Chezinu!
That's right! You are now part of the third party, House Chezinu! The first order of business is to get out there and make it known to the world! You'll need some more members to get this really rolling, so spread the word and get recruiting! Once a cycle, you may recruit someone. Simply type "##Recruit: <name> in the thread, and you will be able to recruit a new member! You may use this ability once per day! (Once per cycle, at night) However, you may only have a total of three members besides yourself.
You're part of House Chezinu, so you're above win conditions. (You're already part of House Chezinu, what more do you need to win?) But maybe you can unite the workers in a glorious revolution!
P.S., There's no House Chezinu like a house with Chezinu. Just sayin.
And I confirmed with the host that this is a player-sent message.
Secondly we have two near-confirmed scum in Kurumi and Zealos. If you're a vig or you have any sort of night KP it might be a good idea to kill them given that tomorrow will likely be a wash if they're alive.
Before sandroba revealed that he had messaged zealos WBG considered zealos to be as likely scum as Kurumi. He did not explain his reasons explicitly but he expressed this opinion and we would be wise not to forget it.
It's useful to have a meta assessment so:
On July 19 2012 10:19 HiroPro wrote:
Why would a townie essentially make up a reason. Bear in mind that Zealos has show that he has no desire to come up with good reasons when scum (in MTG when I was mafia teammates with him, he argued that he had zero scum reads d1 and so he just voted for his least townie person. he then proceeded to lurk until halfway through night 1 and then appeared with a case on zelblade who was basically just a lurker based entirely on evidence that would have been available to him when he made his d1 vote.)
What was the most sgnificant event during day1?
+ Show Spoiler [Answer] +The great sandroaba-Kurumi debacle of course! This one event outed Kurumi as scum. Now town should take a scum lynch day1 100% of the time. From that point onwards the only thing the thread needed to do was vote kurumi and then ask whether it was a a bus or not. It should have removed all other candidates for the lynch and discussion the thread should have moved onto the next day's lynch. RoL's nuke was the only good reason to move on from this issue and it was the reason that kurumi was not lynched.
Everyone should have paid their attention to that and thought about the various possibilities since for a time that event would have decided that days lynch and is deciding today lynch. It was your responsibility as town.
But are we to believe that until this morning zealos was unaware of the whole thing?
Zealos placed his first vote against austinmcc
On July 18 2012 07:40 Zealos wrote:On July 18 2012 06:38 risk.nuke wrote:On July 18 2012 06:21 marvellosity wrote:
for tonight, 6h 40 mins
Okey good thanks, I just finnished reading up on the thread and I'd say I did better then skimming but not really a thorough readthrough either. Right now I'm feeling of a mind to join in on the austin wagon. It seems nice there.
Unfortunatly I'm going to have to go with this. Having only recently replaced in and having been out all day today,
I'm just gonna vote for the person that seems the most scummy recently.I don't like the idea of a BH lynch right now. I don't think there is enough against him, and if he does flip town we've lost a good vet.
##Vote: austinmcc He says nothing about austinmcc specifically and yet he feels that the only thing needed to justify his vote was thread momentum. At that time a few players were calling austinmcc scummy but there was nothing substantial said at all and he had very few votes. Zealos' vote was lazy and shows that he was trying to fit in rather than trying to get a successful lynch. It sounds a lot like the Zealos that HiroPro descibed.
On July 19 2012 05:16 Zealos wrote:On July 19 2012 05:00 HiroPro wrote:
Zealos, who would you like to kill other than austin? Don't say Kurumi.
And can you explain your vote for austin? What did you find scummy?
Unfortunately my vote for austin was a rush vote where I voted for who seemed to have a decent case against them. I simply didn't have time to look over the whole thread, which is regrettable. As for today, I think a good kill would be BH.
I gather it's pretty much a wagon at this point, but just to add to things:
On July 17 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 07:42 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 07:41 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 07:40 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 07:38 Blazinghand wrote:
You know kurumi we got like tons of time maybe if you're really a town player you can help convince these people to lynch syllo after you die
Meapak_Zipph is scum, I don't care about syllo. And why I would work for you, who the hell are you?
Are you sure? Cause Syllo looks pretty scummy to me. You should read the cases on him and make a case against him, a glorious shining case that will be reinforced by
your town flip. You are making this so easy.
I am town. You "know" I am town. Why vote on me?
._. My point is that "if you are really a town player" you should be spending your resources to help me lynch syllo. You're not doing much to convince me right now.
That is super odd to me. Clearly his logic makes no sense, and he's trying to buddy up to who he thinks will be an influential town player.
The post I made early about him also pointed his odd vote switch after the deadline, which doesn't seem town at all to me. Not to mention the massive cuffle with all the nuking and blocking (which I still don't understand at all, are nukes standard in some games?)
So he's my pick so far.
So Zealos still was not reading the thread since austinmcc did not have a decent case against him and his comment about Kurumi demonstrates a complete lack of thread knowledge.
He also picks out Blazinghand not for being scummy but for being "odd". Which is strange since there should be enuogh players for him to find something that is scummy and not simply "odd".
On July 19 2012 05:26 Zealos wrote:
I'll just go ahead and vote for BH at the start of day2 then leave you guys to it. bb,
I will simply re-post:
On July 19 2012 10:19 layabout wrote:+ Show Spoiler [snip] +On July 19 2012 10:08 HiroPro wrote:
Also, you still did not explain why a town Zealos would ever try to argue that BH was trying to buddy "influential townie" Kurumi.
I have a very low opinion of town Zealos and that i something i think he could do if e hadn't been reading the thread. What you said he did was not accurate and this play from Zealos reminds me very much of how he acted at the end of Bang Bang mafia 2.
Zealos said that he would vote for Blazinghand and not come back for the rest of the day. If he is town and he cares then he will come back and try to be productive there is nothing to stop him doing this as mafia but if he doesn't do it he is probably mafia and we should lynch him.
And what has he done?
Well he spent just long enough in the thread to have sandroba's message explained to him. He contributed nothing of his own and has not been productive. He is mafia.
##tomorrow we should vote zealos 
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