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MZ is one of my stronger scum suspicions. The main reason is the fact that he spent a lot of time chasing after opinions from me.
Now, asking people questions is generally good, but MZ has played with me enough times to understand that if I'm not going to answer something, I just don't. Nothing he can do can change that. If I'm intent on trolling, I will troll, and you can't do shit about it. He should be familiar with my personality now, so while someone like syllo just assumed I was trolling and ignored the issue, MZ kept harping on about getting me to respond.
Why would he do this? Not only is it an excellent way to contribute without ever risking contributing anything, because he was never going to get an answer for me, it's also a good set up for a later attack on me.
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layabout
Sloosh
Sandroba
Probulous
HiroPro
Foolishness
VisceraEyes
Bill Murray
Gonzaw
Meapak_Ziphh
Supersoft
austinmcc
Wherebugsgo
Katina
syllogism
GGQ
Blazinghand
Chezinu
Kurumi
rastaban
Mattchew
marvellosity
risk.nuke
Q-bert-Z
RebirthofLegend
Palmar
Zealos
Thank me later.
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On July 17 2012 23:19 syllogism wrote:
Palmar do you seriously think I'm mafia?
yeah.
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On July 17 2012 23:15 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar why do you think BH is town?
I share a lot of his initial reads and opinions. using his block against chezinu says nothing about his alignment as it's the only way he can respond, although I guess waiting for a mod to confirm the nuke would've been smarter. But I don't think BH is particularly smart, but he's loud and useful.
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On July 17 2012 23:21 syllogism wrote:
Well you are bad at mafia then
Well prove you're not. I admit, there is not much to do other than lynch kurumi at the moment, and I also know that if I'm right you've been pushed into a very uncomfortable position due to sandroba's status atm. Any judgements you make will be reviewed by sandroba who is almost guaranteed to be town.
But between lynching kurumi, and preferably killing MZ too, you have some time if you're town.
What do you think of the rest of my list. I mean, I just mentioned that surviving and focusing on oneself would be a mafia characteristic this game, and you literally ignored what... 7-8? accusations I had to talk about yourself.
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On July 17 2012 23:26 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 23:23 Palmar wrote:On July 17 2012 23:15 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar why do you think BH is town? I share a lot of his initial reads and opinions. using his block against chezinu says nothing about his alignment as it's the only way he can respond, although I guess waiting for a mod to confirm the nuke would've been smarter. But I don't think BH is particularly smart, but he's loud and useful. Don't you think though as town he would have blocked the one on RoL when he learned Kurumi was mafia?
If sandroba's theory is right Kurumi has no clue who his fellow scum are, RoL might be one of them.
The only reason I think RoL is town, is that I think kurumi is scum, and I think 2 nukes, mislynch + nk on day 2 putting town in a 14v9 situation is very, very harsh from a balance perspective.
I don't mind rol dying. I wouldn't lift a finger to save him, so I can't fault BH for not doing it.
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On July 17 2012 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
Ok. Why are you voting Kurumi when he's getting nuked?
a day 1 correct lynch is great. There is no reason to risk that being fucked with. I have no idea if mafia can bus/heal/block this shot from rol or not.
I say we take what we have. If kurumi is mafia, which he most likely is, we're ahead, no matter what else happens. The lynch is our safety net, you can't fuck with the lynch.
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I have no problem with kurumi nuking rol as I already explained. And I don't think BH will flip scum. If you want to lynch someone else, MZ would be my first choice.
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On July 18 2012 00:55 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 00:52 Palmar wrote:
I have no problem with kurumi nuking rol as I already explained. And I don't think BH will flip scum. If you want to lynch someone else, MZ would be my first choice. You've said that already, but why????
I don't know... cause I don't think he is? He's not reacting in the same way as back when I figured him out in resistance. In that game his response to pressure was just to start calling people bad, and try to maintain the "I am blazinghand and I don't give a shit"-facade. I'm not seeing the same thing here.
Maybe he's just using a completely different style, I mean, I haven't played in a while, but from my perspective this isn't the scum BH I know.
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On July 18 2012 04:43 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 23:26 Palmar wrote:On July 17 2012 23:21 syllogism wrote:
Well you are bad at mafia then Well prove you're not. I admit, there is not much to do other than lynch kurumi at the moment, and I also know that if I'm right you've been pushed into a very uncomfortable position due to sandroba's status atm. Any judgements you make will be reviewed by sandroba who is almost guaranteed to be town. But between lynching kurumi, and preferably killing MZ too, you have some time if you're town. What do you think of the rest of my list. I mean, I just mentioned that surviving and focusing on oneself would be a mafia characteristic this game, and you literally ignored what... 7-8? accusations I had to talk about yourself. Hey Palmar if you are town, wouldn't you also be "reviewing" any judgements I make in this scenario of yours? By the way you still haven't told me why you think I'm mafia, which is quite suspicious given that you wouldn't push to lynch me lightly on day 1.
I know you're smart enough to understand what I meant by that, sure, I will obviously be thinking about every read you make, but you can easily just accuse me if we don't agree. You can't do that with sandroba, at least not reasonably.
I also have no intention of lynching you right now, I want to lynch Kurumi, MZ, maybe gonzaw. I can only kill one guy a day.
I think you're scum because of the focus and content of your posts. Something just doesn't feel right.
To be fair, since mafia don't know each other, I don't care much about you right now. We have more obvious scum to deal with and I'd really like to hear what you think about the reads I've put forth so far.
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On July 18 2012 05:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Do you think Layabout is scum? If so, why aren't you voting him with me, your strongest town-read?
Can we kill him?
I think layabout is likely to flip scum. I think I put him as red in my list right?
Are you not worried at all about the nukes not landing correctly?
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regarding GGQ, he's super lurky when he's scum, but he kinda is as town too. It's not a bad call to lynch him based on his day 1 posting right now, but I'd prefer MZ
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On July 18 2012 05:36 HiroPro wrote:
Palmar, do you still have a null read on austin?
yes, but I haven't focused much on him. not gone through his filter or anything.
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It makes very little sense for austinmcc to take such a controversial stance as scum. I've never played with the guy before, but when something looks good and is agreed on by town, it's generally not scum who stand up and put their necks on the line to call town out on it.
I don't agree with him, but in a game where I was expecting mafia to be awfully self-aware, his play seems straight up counterproductive. It's a very weird/dumb/ballsy thing to do as mafia.
And no, BlazingHand is town. stop voting him.
Can we kill MZ instead pls?
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for emphasis
##Vote Meapak
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On July 18 2012 06:12 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 06:08 marvellosity wrote:
I'd much rather off someone like GGQ or BM. yeah, since i've posted sooo much for you to get a read on if you're pushing a d1 policy lynch that's just ridiculous policy =/= alignment
hehe, you're pro.
I'd be fine with policy lynching you!
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On July 18 2012 08:36 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 08:31 gonzaw wrote:
About austin:
I don't get why he's obsessing so much with sandro's role. I'd understand having that first suspicion if he actually believed something was wrong (like in that post I mentioned), but he spent posts and posts and posts dealing with sandro's claim and ability and it clogged up the thread too much.
I don't get why he'd do that as town, specially since his doubts of sandro's claim were dealt with by other people, he didn't need to keep cluttering things up with it.
There are little things that don't make me confident in him being scum, like some of the confidence he seems to have in his posts, and the fact that he "overposts" like this as town.
I'm not that confident in lynching him, but I think he has more chances of flipping scum than BH.
##Unvote: Foolishness
##Vote: austin
I don't see MZ being scum after skimming his filter.
Damn I don't have much time for this, this game is huge :/
After I come back from the gym I'll post more thoroughly
I'd be much happier with a Gonzaw lynch.
I like your thought process
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