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Foolishness
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To VE: I always post a list of my reads right before night ends.
On July 19 2012 02:22 sandroba wrote:
YES BECAUSE IT WAS SO EASY TO GET WHOEVER I WANTED LYNCHED WHEN 9 PEOPLE ARE MAFIA AND 1/2 THE GAME IS SLEEPING. What have you done guys done to organize the fucking town? Nothing! You are so full of shit that I don't even believe I'm actually typing this to respond to you.
And Katina that post is horrible. You should know better than post that you are scum so clearly. I guess in this game it doesn't matter since we can't get anything done.
How many people have you accused of being scum so far this game? And how many of them have you gotten killed yet?
Yeah it was easy. You were the one that was at the head of switching all the votes in the last few hours! Have you read the mafia guide?
It's so stupid because you were so obviously town but now it seems you're just having them run in circles for fun. Has anyone even hard objected to killing blazinghand? I know I was skeptical at first but as it's been said when he's mafia he runs around like a chicken with his head cut off. And that's what he's been doing.
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This is so retarded. Smart posts get ignored and people herp derp around with their votes.
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On July 19 2012 02:23 syllogism wrote:
That's a funny post thanks. I admit that I have done nothing but gone after people I think are mafia, wish I could do more. Are you going to get back to me on Foolishness as you promised quite a while ago?
I have bigger fish to fry. Nobody is listening to you anyways.
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On July 19 2012 02:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
What smart posts are getting ignored?
And why are you complaining about people [REDACTED] [REDACTED] around with their votes when you weren't here to do anything about it yourself?
:/
Katina made a very good post just now.
Were you here the last few hours of the day? In the last 10 hours of the day the town moved from killing Blazinghand to austin to gonzaw and back to blazinghand. That's three moves within a very short timeframe. Everyone SHOULD know that that's recipe for no-lynch. I left early unfortunately but at the time sandroba and bugs were the ones responsible, hence me flipping out at them initially. Me being gone was definitely retarded. Switching lynches 3 times in the last 10ish hours of the day is even more so.
On July 19 2012 02:37 sandroba wrote:
Foolishness I share your pain bro, I suck at being scum as well. Some things never change.
It hurts more cause you're wrong. Are you denying sending that message to Kurumi now? What are you even doing this game? You bust out day 1 and now you've accused ~8 people of being mafia, contradicted yourself a few times (the Kurumi thing, your read on Katina, etc).
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On July 19 2012 02:41 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 02:38 Foolishness wrote:On July 19 2012 02:23 syllogism wrote:
That's a funny post thanks. I admit that I have done nothing but gone after people I think are mafia, wish I could do more. Are you going to get back to me on Foolishness as you promised quite a while ago? I have bigger fish to fry. Nobody is listening to you anyways. That was clearly addressed to Katina or are you going to post some thoughts on yourself? I think you will find that no one is going to listen to you, and indeed no one has.
My bad I misread that.
This is going nowhere, I'm disappearing until close to night end. We're wasting space.
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Bill Murray!
Think to yourself: is Bill Murray actually Bill Murray this game? It's an easy enough question to answer: no. Because he is mafia. The items that characterize Bill Murray's usual town play are absent from this game. Consequently, it is easy to see that this game matches his mafia behavior.
The running joke on the forum about Bill Murray's alignment is that the more chaos he causes the more likely he is to be town. This has been seen over time as in the far past the games he broke the rules in he was usually town. Even today it is true, he is just much more mature about his posts.
Simply put: Bill Murray is much more spammy in games where he is town. This should make sense; everyone in this game has played with Bill Murray as far as I can see. Recently in Holy Roman where Bill Murray was town, he busted out four pages of posts within the first day alone. In two games where Bill Murray is mafia, Mafia LIII and Mafia LVI, by the end of day 1 he had less than two pages worth of posts (LVI he had about 1, LIII had about 1.5). How many pages of posts does Bill Murray have this game at the end of day 1? Less than 1 page, and closer to half a page than a page.
This may seem a bit out there, but it's certainly significant. When Bill Murray is town he posts twice as much as he does when he's mafia. That's a very noticable difference, especially for Bill Murray who can be very spammy. You shouldn't even have to check his filter to know that he had less than 1 page in his filter by the end of day 1. I know there was a point day 1 where someone made a post like, "wtf Bill Murray is in this game?". Bill Murray loves to ride the inactive train to mafia victory.
Before we do some more comparison to other games, take a look at what Bill Murray has accomplished this game. Needless to say he has been all over the place. This is not uncommon of Bill Murray nor does it strongly indicate his alignment. But his best post this game is probably the one he made against me:
On July 18 2012 17:51 Bill Murray wrote:I feel like WBG and I are clearly town for our reaction to Chezinu Rastaban is reading as town Foolishness/Syllogism/Kurumi (for sandroba unless he was trolling) as scum so far + one of BH/Chez Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 17:45 syllogism wrote:There is no way Foolishness is town in this game. he didn't even bother to address any of the things said about hisplay so far when earlier he was complaining about me handwading something completely inconsequential. Just look at his filter after he showed up again. He never bothered to voice his opinion on any of the candidates and never moved his vote despite promising he would On July 18 2012 09:19 Foolishness wrote:On July 18 2012 08:50 HiroPro wrote:
Where is Foolishness -_- Deciding where to move my vote to. This is chaotic guys. Actually, his whole filter is quite devoid of any content other than his laughable case against me. Someone shoot him tonight, thanks. I completely agree. Came back to see some more filters, saw this post, had to reply. I feel this is against Foolishness's meta... hence him being my #1 suspect. His wall posting has been lacking, and I feel like he has been trying to push from the background without committing because he is a lower level minion that doesn't want to lynch someone up the chain. I also dislike him attacking people for wasted votes, when his was useless. Hypocritical. He did voice his opinion, but did nothing about it... even worse than holding it in, because it is information without action.
The issue here isn't about what's being said but about when it was said. He is essentially just restating arguments that were already laid out in full by wherebugsgo, syllogism, and sandroba. Bill Murray came late to the game. Has he provided something to the town that's genuine and fresh? No. He waits to see what the town thinks before trying to weigh in a contribution.
But that aside what other posts has Bill Murray made that are of interest this game? One of my favorites is:
On July 18 2012 13:53 Bill Murray wrote:
ill vote BH then? I really don't care at this point; it's just day one.
We all know apathy is a trait many mafia possess.
Outside of that, it was interesting to watch him go from wanting to kill Chezinu without a second thought:
On July 18 2012 13:56 Bill Murray wrote:
I am ok with it, as if he is a cop, we kill chezinu
To thinking he is town the next day:
On July 19 2012 09:32 Bill Murray wrote:
I will be the first to tell you that Mattchew voting me, or wanting to nuke me, is a complete nulltell, and is only a result of his stupidity.
However, Chezinu is reading as town to me.
Outside of all this there's nothing you can say about him. He's done nothing. He said gonzaw was making excuses but never said anything more. He's made a troll post or two. He's defended himself in the typical Bill Murray style (which he does both as town and mafia). He has not helped the town nor has he made any real effort other than jumping the bandwagon on myself.
What's missing from his filter that should be there? Bill Murray when he is town always tries to help in one way or another. The typical way is by calling people out on their bullshit, Bill Murray style. But that hasn't happened this game. In games where he is town Bill Murray always makes long posts in between his one liners and ever-increasing troll posts. For example take this post from Holy Roman mafia (he was town). I spoilered it cause it's long:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 10 2012 21:20 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 21:01 Acrofales wrote:On May 10 2012 20:49 Bill Murray wrote:
I have made more replies and reads to posts in this game than I have made in my last 2 scum games combined
Your play is structured and logical AS BOTH SIDES, meaning you're not an easy read for people who are logical, with no sense like me. I have sense, whereas people like Hassy don't.
They can't read you
I can
I know you are town
but i know you are really fucking confused right now because you're in a position to lead, and you don't know what to do.
You got backed into this when you claimed, so take it.
To say my posts are all over the place as town is probably true, but you're admitting that I'm posting all over the place right now, which contradicts what you said about me not being transparent. You seem to admit this by saying I have good reads in my wall.
1 question for you: Who is more likely to go back on their own reads in the same post, town or scum?
I'd also like to apologize. I am sorry I called you a bitch, Hassy. It's 7:47 comin outta the sky, gonna take me down to memphis for a midnight ride we gonna move playin in a travellin band
yeah
flyin cross the land
trynna get a hand
playin in a travelin band
WWHOOOOOOHOHHOHOO This is what I mean with you being completely confusing as both town and scum. You make quite a decent point and then draw completely wrong conclusions from it. 1. Your wall post is decent because it reveals a lot of information about you (not necessarily about the people you are posting about). It's quite a townie thing to do. However, you continuously obfuscate townie moves by posting random stuff. This makes you exceptionally bad as an emperor/empress, as I don't want to be second-guessing you all the time. 2. Changing opinion often is something I am FAR more likely to do as town than scum. Mainly because as scum I already KNOW who is scum and don't need to second-guess myself. I can pick some random townies and start building up bogus cases on them. I don't need to change opinion unless someone "convinces" me. However, as town, I don't know who is scum and who is town and will be far more inclined to try to look at things from both sides and find reasons for actions in either a scum, or a town motivation, without being biased either way. As scum, I can be completely free to nail someone to the cross with a case painting out all the little slips they made during the game. As town, I must always be aware that someone playing scummy might still be a delusional town. 3. Posting all over the place doesn't make you transparent if you do it regardless of alignment. The only thing that can be said in its favour is that by posting a LOT, you give a LOT to analyze. However, the longer a game goes on, the less I enjoy going through giant filters. I'm going to man up on this one, because I honestly feel I need to 1) you are misguided town 2) you are in a position of power therefore you are misguided town in a position of power therefore you can fuck us over with an indecision... or hurt us... and oh, baby, don't hurt me don't hurt me, no more. when you said "Your wall post is decent because it reveals a lot of information about you ", how does it do that? You said that it doesn't reveal information about who I'm posting about, but you contradict that later when you say you agree with my scumhunting and reads You say "As town, I must always be aware that someone playing scummy might still be a delusional town.", which is true, but it can work both ways. Someone who is not only acting pro-town, but acting pro-town as town, can be delusional town. look at yourself you're "all over the place" even in this one post, whereas I have not contradicted myself once in terms of how I feel about things. What people do, in terms of their actions, speak louder than their words. Acrofales, I expected you to write me off as town due to my effort, but your obtuseness, your parroting of my point earlier, and your inability to address that has me questioning having sent your name in as emperor, and you being town. I'm honestly regretting it right now, and I should have gone with my first instinct. I'd have rather voted for that annoying cube than you right now. Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 21:09 Acrofales wrote:On May 10 2012 20:52 zelblade wrote:
Not bad, half our smurfs have been wiped out. I think theres like 4 more people before we find WBG.
Also I find it very very hard to believe that Acro didnt know why he was shot n1 (or 2 idc) in SSM, considering the post game discussion and stuff. + Show Spoiler [offtopic justification for SSM] +
Pfft, most of the post-game was emo QQ about the setup. People calling Sandro a cheater, people calling DrH a bad host and people generally being nasty to eachother. If you think the reason I got shot was in any way memorable in the crap that was the post-game analysis you're nuts. All I remember is telling Sandro and MrZentor who I was going to bomb. Neither of those were scum. The only other person to know I even had an item should have been Chaoser, who was also not scum. Of course, Sandro shared quite a bit of info with Bugs, so that could've been info that slipped. Of course, I was very near to bombing Coag, which would've gotten a scum blown up.
Ontopic: fine, I am perfectly happy to retract that statement. Scum has always had a good reason to shoot me (early in the game). I believe I am currently giving them another good reason to shoot me by being active and trying to get other people to post actively and stop trolling (I believe that a good number of us are doing that now, so yay). I believe I will be a good emperor and will lead town to victory. Ok, why does scum have a good reason to shoot you? Because you were the only person making wall posts? You said yourself you're active as both town and scum... how, then, does that confirm you at all? hint: it doesn't Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 21:10 zelblade wrote:On May 10 2012 21:04 Hassybaby wrote:On May 10 2012 21:02 zelblade wrote:On May 10 2012 20:56 Hassybaby wrote:On May 10 2012 20:48 zelblade wrote:On May 10 2012 20:46 Hassybaby wrote:
If i was to pick right now, it would probably be Carolus or Jitsu Why Jitsu? Care to tell us? From the way it's worded, I think the heretic ability is a one-time use. Jitsu's one of those players who doesn't fuck around and will use it sensibly. On top of this, I really think it's a pro-town ability no matter who get's it. The only way it would not be is if the Archbishop doesn't use it, at which point we kill him and the Emperor re-assigns it. Same reason for syllo/sand, but they have the benefit of two brains so they can pick a better target. Hopefully No it isnt a pro-town ability no matter who gets it. Its a free rolecheck for scum, and if it works for frames (No idea about this just speculation).... Yes its still useful to an extent, but why give it to scum when no scum archbishop will ever deliever a [unless frames work/its a bus] scum check? By saying that you are willing to elect Jitsu as you archbishop means you are relatively sure he is town. I am strongly suspicious that you seem to want to elect him simply because he is supposedly good, and its good no matter how who gets it. I dont see a single reason why you think hes town, only what good he could do with it IF hes town. Yes. at this moment i don't think anyone is town. Therefore I gave names about who I think is good. It's also a free rolecheck for everyone, not just scum. Re-read the mention. If scum outs a blue, we know who to protect as well as vigs won't shoot them. Still beneficial Yes but if scum gets it its power is drastically reduced, and if scum have some way of messing it up we are more likely than not going to blow a lynch on a townie. I am not going to vote for Hassy for two reasons. 1) I will not support Jitsu for archbishop - He has done nothing this game, I dont care how "good" he is when all he has done is try (and not even try hard) to be empreor. 2) I think Hassy is looking sketchy atm. It's definitely a good ability for scum to be able to blue snipe, even deductively, depending on who they flip I'm glad Zelblade called Acrofales a noobie before I did I was starting to feel like I'm just sleep deprived in having a village idiot read on him Acrofales, you think people are voting you because of your walls? They're not. They're voting you because of your claim. Unlike them, however, I don't stick to reads, and you definitely parroted me Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 21:12 Forumite wrote:On May 10 2012 20:52 zelblade wrote:
Not bad, half our smurfs have been wiped out. I think theres like 4 more people before we find WBG.
Also I find it very very hard to believe that Acro didnt know why he was shot n1 (or 2 idc) in SSM, considering the post game discussion and stuff. WBG is BagManager, the smurf he used in Bastard Mafia. Yeah. You made a good catch on that, possibly. Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 21:13 Carolus Magnus wrote:
Do we know anything about mafia team size?
I hope I haven't been tricked into playing another multi faction game I actually speculated something about this, but I don't want to give away too much information. Ask me about it when I wake up. Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 21:16 Bluelightz wrote:On May 10 2012 21:12 Companion Cube wrote:IN THE CASE I DO NOT GET ENOUGH LOVE TO BECOME AN EMPESS OR HER HAIR... (HEIR?)
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NO-ONE APPOINTS ME FOR ARCHBISHOP.
CHANCELLOR IS FINE, HOWEVER.
I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO STEP UP THEIR PLAY.
I AM NOT GOING TO START ANSWERING RANDOM READ QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.
BECAUSE I DO NOT THINK YOU CAN ACCURATELY DETERMINE SOMEONE'S ALIGNMENT ALREADY.
BUT I DO WANT TO CO-OPERATE WITH THOSE OF THE MIGHTY HAMBURGER BLOODLINE.
♥ Hello, Would you like to marry me companion cube? marry carolus mafnus
The important part is how he explained his thought process on Acrofales. Note how direct he is in saying what he thinks and how he's actively trying to figure things out. This is the town Bill Murray. We all know that he loves the game and is quite competitive, so posts like these fit right in with what you would expect out of him. When he's mafia, posts like these are absent from his filter. He doesn't actively speak his thoughts or convey his feelings. And that's exactly what he's doing this game as well.
He had other posts where he explained his thought process that game. One of them is very very long so I've omitted it (you'll find it if you look through his filter for that game. Remember he is town here). But you can always find the posts where he explains his reads. In this game it was in list form:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 11 2012 07:46 Bill Murray wrote:
Alright. Acrofales may not be parroting me, and might be genuine still.
Considering he is going to be the Emperor, there is no point in gunning there
I am much more suspicious of OpZ/Carolus/Mattchew of the recent posters that I formerly had town reads on
People that were scummy that aren't as bad include Forumite, Drazerk, and MG
Mattchew - town
A.T.L.A.S. - town
P-Body - not touching with a 10 foot pole until someone will decode
Laika - lurking dog
Companion Cube - want to lynch if i dont see scumhunting; too focused on buddying
OpZ - scum via meta
Adam4167 - dont believe ive seen much from him, but ive seen him play as town before, so i should be ok
U - town
YES_THIS_IS_DOG - lurker/inactive
The_Bard - good taste in music, but other than that, very null
Carolus Magnus - scum
QuickSilver7 - town
Mr. Potatohead - lurking scum
Itouchyou - lurking town
Hassybaby - scum
Drazerk - town
Strongandbig - town
Vaderseven - v7 is in this game?
Quatol - lurker, one post saying they needed to read the thread
Bluelightz - town
Zelblade - town
Sinani206 - town
Kurumi - town
erandor - town
Acrofales - town
MajuGarzett - town
Forumite - town
Jitsu - town
bagmanager - scum
Bill Murray - town
so i have like 5-6 scum naturally... i am not 100%, but this is just general
Another good example of his town play is from Death Factory mafia. It's easy to scroll through and find posts that he makes where he explains his thoughts about other players in the game:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 04 2012 20:24 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 15:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm actually curious to see what other players say first. There is plenty of time in the day and there's no rush.
I'd like to use time to get more reads, rather than idly talk about things we've already been talking about.
risk.nuke, layabout, Wiggles, Mattchew, and Bill Murray: I want you to do the bulk of the talking. Go. Tell us what you would like to do right now and who you would like to kill. Syllogism - I want to test Cephiro's hard-softclaim. He isn't outright claiming any investigative ability, whether, if he has it or not, it is multiple or single use, or anything, but his softclaim was as close to a guilty claim as I have seen in a long time. I don't want to not test that. PRP - Like syllo, I feel like his interactions with WBG, and the way he responded to the Cephiro ordeal, is pretty damning. I am willing to lynch him off of associative tells, but I'd like to flip syllo first. Tobon - Though he has been looking better, with his defense being "noone has made a case on me, therefore I can't be scum", and all the flak he has gotten, he has my eyebrows raised. Bluelightz - I really wouldn't mind losing him, even if he is town. He is not a VI, I don't think, so I feel like he is playing dumb as scum. I am not sure, however, that he isn't a little kid that wanders, lost, into the middle of the movie theatre... but with an AK.
And again you can find other long posts that are always present in his town play:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 04 2012 20:37 Bill Murray wrote:Either way we need to get the above four out of here. I would want to wait until the lights come back on, and I'm kind of scared to do anything due to VE dying... If your interaction with syllo wasn't completely 100% scummy, I would feel like you were town WBG. I do have a leaned townread on you, but it's not 100% like I felt about Palmar, because you could potentially be throwing syllogism under the bus. I only say this because your questioning of him felt too good, to where it looked like an act. If you're really that good, and that was the building up, and prelude of a great case, bravo. We haven't been using our PoPs correctly. Now, I'm not a dictator, as I'm not confirmed or anything like an innocent child (definitely not bluelightz lol  ), so I'm not going to boss people around in a "Soviet Russia make you push or pull like want" way, only sort of. We need to hold people accountable, loosen up, and ask people questions. Scum will eventually become illogical... it wears on you being scum. Here's to hoping so, at least. reasons you should believe I'm town: 1) I actually want our next course of action to be to consolidate pushes or pulls around what Snarf wants to do, but I know the thread won't go for it, and would lash out against me, so I'm not touching it with a ten-foot-pole. 2) proposing someone else leads versus myself... kind of having second thoughts on that, though 3) personal meta of lack of night posting, whereas, as scum, i'd post in the night /wifom Honestly, though, I can't really be sure snarfs is town... 1) Godfather 2) I could be naive 3) Snarfs has a Lawyer, possibly Qatol
4) I could be ... no, VE flipped town... I can't be insane... not in the game at least :D
...A role changing ability, or busdriveronly the first two are valid, where my ability was day use However, I feel comfortable leading myself, if you all aren't satisfied listening to Snarfs. I'm not saying to not scumhunt, and to turn into sheep. I'm just saying that people are really looking to be prone to wasting their pushes and pulls without any sense of order, which allows for scum to blend in, and that should be our first mission as a town to prevent
If you look at his mafia games, in particular, Area LIII and LVI, you'll find these long posts are absent. For instance in LVI his longest post was a nice little:
On June 30 2012 19:32 Bill Murray wrote:
Acrofales, it's not OMGUS when I have reasoning
You have chainsawed
You have also set up a chance for a weak ass switch to the BW on BKExe
scummy as fuck
##unvote
##vote acro
Granted he did get shot night 1. In LIII his longest post was:
On April 27 2012 14:14 Bill Murray wrote:There is someone who doesn't care who dies today, as long as it is not scum. A person who was all over VE, who layabout himself suspected. MG. Other people I would like to lynch include Sentinel, for a case detailed by Gonzaw, and St. Daniel for his activity elsewhere, but not here (though he might be a power role). Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 05:17 MidnightGladius wrote:
Are you arguing that I should have been more convinced of VE's innocence, despite his scummy play, and pushed people off of his lynch? Perhaps I could have, but hindsight is cruel, and I would have not wanted to have been led to a no-lynch. Like I said in the post you only partially quoted, I highly doubt that I could have convinced the people voting for VE to move off of him.
Would I have liked to have been perfectly certain and pulled a ton of pressure to move votes off of VE? Sure. Did I think it was the right, or feasible, idea at the time? No. MG is wording this like a politician. He knows defense is overrated, but that isn't the point. He isn't going to defend him anyways.He has been uncaring, even for a no lynch His name is MidnightGladius. ##Vote: MidnightGladius
Which is nowhere near of the calibre that you see in his town games. Furthermore you can see in this accusation post (remember he is mafia this game) that he only accused MG after others had gone after him (he says so himself in this post). This is easy to see from his filter in that game because this is the first time he's ever talked about MG.
This is exactly what he's done this game. He doesn't make any mention of me, but once a handful of people say I'm mafia he immediately hops aboard the train trying to contribute. Exactly what he did as mafia in LIII with MidnightGladius.
Summary of why Bill Murray is mafia:
1) Overall inactivity. He hasn't done anything this game. Do any of the posts he's made stick out at you as memorable?
2) Spam level. He's had zero spam this game. There is a noticeable difference in his spamminess when he is town and mafia. This game it is consistent with his mafia play.
3) No long posts. When Bill Murray is town, he makes posts that are paragraphs long. When he is mafia he never does such a thing. This game he hasn't made a post longer than ~5 sentences.
4) Lack of thoughts or accusations. When he is town he is not afraid to call someone out or make a long (relative to him) accusation post. When he is mafia he is all aboard the sheep train. He even said in a post that he is sheeping and in another post that he thinks sheeping is good for the town.
Obviously have to take care of more pressing mafia first.
##Vote: Kurumi
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On July 19 2012 12:41 Probulous wrote:
Foolishness, do you think BM is an executive?
Who cares? Any attempt to try to distinguish whether a suspect is an executive or not is retarded.
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Anyone saying that my case on Bill Murray is too much based on meta did not read through it. It is clear from his fitler that he has not brought anything new to the table nor contributed anything. As I said his longest post was his little spiel about me but that only came after many others (sandroba, bugs, etc) laid out those arguments in full. He just repeated what others were saying. You can see from his past games that this matches up with his mafia play.
Bill Murray hasn't done anything this game. He's neither contributed nor done anything helpful. His attitude this game is very consistent with his mafia play.
Also I already explained my actions this game. If you want to sit there and call me mafia than go crazy, but don't expect me to respond unless you actually bring up a case.
And Probulous, you are seriously misguided if you are thinking about whether someone is an executive or not. Hypothetical scenario. Let's say we have a confirmed sane DT check someone and get back the result of mafia. How are you going to be able to tell whether that person is an executive or a minion? You can't. It's a waste of time to think about it. A mafia is a mafia.
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On July 20 2012 02:43 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 02:38 Foolishness wrote:
Anyone saying that my case on Bill Murray is too much based on meta did not read through it. It is clear from his fitler that he has not brought anything new to the table nor contributed anything. As I said his longest post was his little spiel about me but that only came after many others (sandroba, bugs, etc) laid out those arguments in full. He just repeated what others were saying. You can see from his past games that this matches up with his mafia play.
Bill Murray hasn't done anything this game. He's neither contributed nor done anything helpful. His attitude this game is very consistent with his mafia play.
Also I already explained my actions this game. If you want to sit there and call me mafia than go crazy, but don't expect me to respond unless you actually bring up a case.
And Probulous, you are seriously misguided if you are thinking about whether someone is an executive or not. Hypothetical scenario. Let's say we have a confirmed sane DT check someone and get back the result of mafia. How are you going to be able to tell whether that person is an executive or a minion? You can't. It's a waste of time to think about it. A mafia is a mafia. you read his claim?
Yes. That doesn't change anything I've said.
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On July 20 2012 02:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 02:38 Foolishness wrote:
Also I already explained my actions this game. If you want to sit there and call me mafia than go crazy, but don't expect me to respond unless you actually bring up a case.
yeah, instead of actually changing your vote as promised, you went and played LoL. Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 02:33 Foolishness wrote:
To VE: I always post a list of my reads right before night ends.
You did not do this nor have you explained not doing it. You are totally uninvested this game, and further to this, you are simply a liar.
I didn't know that night was ending early. I got back early evening (my time) to make a post and saw that day had already started.
No.
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Foolishness
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On July 20 2012 03:43 syllogism wrote:
I've to say I'm a bit worried about something. To be specific, Palmar's filter right now is about 3 pages and there's not much time left until day 3. Foolishness' failsafe "is Palmar mafia" proof relies on his filter being either less than 3 pages or more than 6 pages, so we may be stuck in a "not-quite-sure-if-mafia" limbo.
Well to be honest I was looking through his past games and it seemed like his day 1 play matched his town behavior more than his mafia. Yeah the limbo state doesn't tell us anything, but he seems to be trying to do something. For instance his recent post here (I know most of that post is against you but these kinds of posts don't seem to be present in his mafia games).
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Foolishness
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On July 20 2012 08:53 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 05:22 Foolishness wrote:
Syllogism is mafia ... Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 06:39 Foolishness wrote:
Day 1 nuke is a Kurumi-esque thing to do, but I've said that before about him when he's mafia. I want the nuke redirected at marvellosity because he's mafia.
A lot has been said about Foolishness' disinterest in this game. His read of BM is  If Fool was convinced Syllo is scum because he didn't follow up on his read, why is this all Fool has to say about Marv? He wanted to nuke him because he was mafia, but never bothers to go back to that read. That is exactly the same thing he was calling Syllo scum for at exactly the same time. So Foolishness, do you still think Syllo is mafia? If so, why are exhibiting exactly the same behaviour?
Yes I still think he's mafia. He's been exhibiting what I call HiroPro syndrome as of late: just subtly push any and all cases that come up. marvellosity likes to do that too. I'm more sure about Bill Murray than syllogism.
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On July 20 2012 09:46 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 09:42 Probulous wrote:
Syllo, what do you think of Risk and QBertz? Risk hasn't been useful at all but the tone of the posts seem to indicate town risk. No idea about qbertz since he is hiding behind his gimmick and I don't really know him (sinani?) well enough to know if that means he is mafia. Assuming he keeps it up, he has to die but there are much better targets.
Didn't someone say Qbertz was GM?
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On July 20 2012 09:47 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 09:41 Foolishness wrote:On July 20 2012 08:53 Probulous wrote:On July 17 2012 05:22 Foolishness wrote:
Syllogism is mafia ... Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. On July 17 2012 06:39 Foolishness wrote:
Day 1 nuke is a Kurumi-esque thing to do, but I've said that before about him when he's mafia. I want the nuke redirected at marvellosity because he's mafia.
A lot has been said about Foolishness' disinterest in this game. His read of BM is If Fool was convinced Syllo is scum because he didn't follow up on his read, why is this all Fool has to say about Marv? He wanted to nuke him because he was mafia, but never bothers to go back to that read. That is exactly the same thing he was calling Syllo scum for at exactly the same time. So Foolishness, do you still think Syllo is mafia? If so, why are exhibiting exactly the same behaviour? Yes I still think he's mafia. He's been exhibiting what I call HiroPro syndrome as of late: just subtly push any and all cases that come up. marvellosity likes to do that too. I'm more sure about Bill Murray than syllogism. So why is then that the only time you mention Marv at all is when I point out almost 50 pages later, that you dropped your "case" on him, eventhough you still think he is mafia?
Because I'm focusing elsewhere obviously. I know Bill Murray and syllogism are mafia. I never dropped the case on him.
On July 20 2012 09:50 syllogism wrote:
The fact Foolishness apparently "thinks" Qbertz might be GM and yet isn't all over him for his performance so far should be a pretty good indicator of his alignment
I thought someone said that in the thread but I could be wrong. Hence why I asked. For the record I wouldn't bat an eye if someone said they were going to shoot him. You're picking at straws.
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Foolishness
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On July 20 2012 09:59 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 09:55 Mattchew wrote:On July 20 2012 08:29 Probulous wrote:On July 20 2012 01:32 Mattchew wrote:On July 20 2012 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes that post never came. After composing some of it and it being built up so by Probulous, I reread it and realized that most of it was stuff that had been mentioned or was drawing connections between people that didn't happen.
So yeah, everyone can exhale - that post of "interesting things on reread" isn't coming. My reads post is gonna have to suffice. WAH WAH WAAAAAAH. Cool your scum too.... this is not that hard... woulda covered your tracks better without the wah wah waaaaaah This makes absolutely no sense...Like 0 Note to self: Risk has done nothing but defend himself and call people stupid. His wah wah waaaah conveys deflection. He knows not making that post is scummy so he tries to play it off as if he is joking and trolling about not making the post. Its forced nonchalance to convey he is comfortable relaying a scummy message. I do it too. The point is it would be a much better play by VE to just fake something. I gave him a ready made excuse to waffle on about early game stuff that might or might not be relevant. He knows that posting nothing looks scummy but he does it anyway. The wah wah stuff is just VE being VE. You somehow take that to mean he is scum? At worst he was deflecting from participating but look at that, he is participating. Like I said, your post makes no sense.
Mattchew hasn't made sense all game. Have you read anything Katina has said about him? It's pretty damning
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Foolishness
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On July 20 2012 18:40 Bill Murray wrote:
ANYWAYS. I'm not going to finish reading the thread. It's a bunch of herp-derp like Katina said. Foolishness is mafia, and I have reads on a few more. I am not going to delve into it.
I am feeling like Probulous isn't a higher-up-executive, and I question the read, which means I agree with the need for a reaction test there.
Chezinu - high up scum, dawg
VE - I feel he is way, way, way better at scumhunting as town. Scum.
Foolishness - tunneling too much, and engaging in banter = scum
Sandroba - When Kurumi flips town (my gut is telling me this) = obv scum we lynch
Marvellosity - interaction with Sandroba makes me believe he is scum
Kurumi - low level scum that is getting bussed by Chezini and Sandroba
town:
BM
Katina
Layabout
Gonzaw
Probulous
Zealos - he's either scum of a village idiot. I'm leaning village idiot. He's somebody scum messaged to look bad.
OMG BM, an incomplete list? Where does HiroPro rank in this?
Well, I just don't know, and I don't want clutter, yo.
I'm not unvoting Kurumi, I feel like Sandroba and Chezinu probably wouldn't gambit
I'm flip-flopping on chezinu, because I just re-read the Kurumi-Sandroba thing.
@ Kurumi, Chezinu and Sandroba contacted you? What is your side of the story/incident?
##unvote Kurumi
##vote Chezinu
Chezinu is being too crazy and illogical for his town game
Chezinu and Sandroba are scum if Kurumi isn't
We can't afford to lynch town here
-_-
can nobody see the light here?
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On July 21 2012 00:57 Palmar wrote:
your persistence is amazing kurumi.
Did I mention katina is scum? How about you look into her?
Don't trash one of the few people that's making sense this game.
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Foolishness
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On July 21 2012 01:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 01:14 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 00:57 Palmar wrote:
your persistence is amazing kurumi.
Did I mention katina is scum? How about you look into her? Don't trash one of the few people that's making sense this game. looool Your contributions to this game have been overwhelming foolishness, I have seen the light and realized that katina is indeed valuable to the town. How could I have not seen this before... riiiiiight. Anyway we need to all make sure kurumi dies today. There's no excuse if he somehow wiggles out of this again. People need to remember this, it doesn't matter what alignment sandroba is at this point, kurumi got caught hook line and sinker. It'd be actually retarded if he somehow gets away. It's great to discuss more potential lynch targets but everyone needs to make sure the kurumi lynch happens today. I've seen a couple people call him town in the last couple pages (cough rastaban cough) this is just grossly negligent failure to read the thread, don't let this sentiment somehow take hold. Again, if you think about it, it doesn't matter which side sandro is on for kurumi to be scum.
Well you should have seen it a lot of earlier. Can you give me a name of someone who makes more sense? I can only think of two people in which you can make an argument for.
It's fine to discuss potential lynch targets, the issue is that it is day two and literally every player has been accused. There's absolutely zero focus. One page people are talking about Zealos, 3 pages later it's about Chezinu. With so many cases it's hard to tell who is actually trying to make a case (townies) and who's just fueling the fire (mafia). From what I can see though the people of interest in this regard are Blazinghand (should be obvious by now), marvellosity, and HiroPro. supersoft, Mattchew, Probulous, Palmar and yourself are somewhat guilty but not to the same extent.
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On July 21 2012 02:01 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 01:49 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 01:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 21 2012 01:14 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 00:57 Palmar wrote:
your persistence is amazing kurumi.
Did I mention katina is scum? How about you look into her? Don't trash one of the few people that's making sense this game. looool Your contributions to this game have been overwhelming foolishness, I have seen the light and realized that katina is indeed valuable to the town. How could I have not seen this before... riiiiiight. Anyway we need to all make sure kurumi dies today. There's no excuse if he somehow wiggles out of this again. People need to remember this, it doesn't matter what alignment sandroba is at this point, kurumi got caught hook line and sinker. It'd be actually retarded if he somehow gets away. It's great to discuss more potential lynch targets but everyone needs to make sure the kurumi lynch happens today. I've seen a couple people call him town in the last couple pages (cough rastaban cough) this is just grossly negligent failure to read the thread, don't let this sentiment somehow take hold. Again, if you think about it, it doesn't matter which side sandro is on for kurumi to be scum. Well you should have seen it a lot of earlier. Can you give me a name of someone who makes more sense? I can only think of two people in which you can make an argument for. It's fine to discuss potential lynch targets, the issue is that it is day two and literally every player has been accused. There's absolutely zero focus. One page people are talking about Zealos, 3 pages later it's about Chezinu. With so many cases it's hard to tell who is actually trying to make a case (townies) and who's just fueling the fire (mafia). From what I can see though the people of interest in this regard are Blazinghand (should be obvious by now), marvellosity, and HiroPro. supersoft, Mattchew, Probulous, Palmar and yourself are somewhat guilty but not to the same extent. Other than BM where should the focus be? Don't you beleive that Kurumi and Zealos are scum? We have BH after both of them. I am confused on what you want to focus on, is their more to discuss on these 3 players? I am just confused as to what you mean by wanting to focus. It seems to me that town is pretty agreed on the next, 2 if not 3 lynches.
Clearly there's still plenty more to discuss as the number of times I've seen a unique "Player X should be our day 3 lynch" is substantial.
Kurumi yes (that's why I've voted for him), Blazinghand yes, Bill Murray yes, Zealos I'm not convinced at all. Frankly there's no real case against him. You and blazinghand and Kurumi (as well as a few others) have all claimed he's mafia but have yet to provide more than a single sentence explanation. It was the same thing that happened with austin yesterday; nobody really made a case against him, everyone just decided to sheep along with one persons' thoughts and jump ship. Until someone actually makes a case there's no reason why Zealos should be getting killed.
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I still don't see a case. I just read his filter and I don't see any of the things you guys are accusing him of.
"I concur. I hate to OMGUS but I really can't see a town player doing what zealos did, which was to not read the thread, find someone who's a bit scummy and pressure him in a shitty way that reveals unwittingly that he hasn't been reading the thread at all. "
"This is scum trying to skate by, every one of his choices this game is clearly undefendable from town motivation, but easily has scum motivation."
Until you quote relevant posts and explain how he pressured someone in a shitty way and how everything he does has "scum motivation" then there's zero reason why we should be lynching him, and all you're doing is distracting the town from other people we shoudl be focusing on.
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