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On July 09 2012 05:32 Release wrote: There is always a possiblity, but do you really find this option MORE likely than that one of Zen/Mackin is scum?i don't see why not. It would be a marvelous mind-fuck. I mean the case against hope1 was just so easy for him. Just there, boom, refutes everything. Hope1 goes silent. GG to hope. Hope probably wanted to continue his XIX anyways. | ||
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On July 09 2012 06:17 Mackin wrote: I want to kill either Zen or Release atm. Preferably Zen. I'm okay with lynching you if we can't lynch neither Zen or Release. I'm certainly not lynching Hapa. Not today.Who are we suspecting at the minute then? Is it me, release, hapa and most likely Xen? | ||
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On July 09 2012 06:26 Hapahauli wrote: I am not arguing that he is playing diffrent from his last game, I'm arguing it's bad to use meta as a form of analyse, especially in newbie games where people havn't found their preferable style yet. His town play in those games were far from perfect in it's perfectly understandable that he is trying to change his play style.I'm going to assume you meant my case against Release, and I appreciate the comments. The majority of my case isn't based around Release's activity - its based on his posting style. Several of his posts on day one are massively out of character with his townie persona. Release in his other three games is never unsure of himself, never wishy-washy, and will never passively fingerpoint people. I'm sure he didn't receive any advice to start doing this, yet look at some of these posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066¤tpage=13#248 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066¤tpage=19#368 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066¤tpage=21#409 Townie Release NEVER posts ANYTHING in his townie meta similar to the 3 posts above He is fickle about his opinions, sounds passive, and fingerpoints multiple people within individual posts. Not only is it out of character with Release's town meta - its out-of character in a mafia-oriented way. My case on Hopeless was built on the exact same meta argument - Hopeless was being different from his town meta (being passive/diplomatic/fingerpointing) with mafia motives. I'll give some more detailed comments on your case about Zen tonight, but from what I've seen so far, Zen has been far too quiet for me to make a solid judgement. Just because you got Hope lynched doesn't mean meta is good way for deciding who is scum. Also your case on Hope was not purely built on meta but also usual scum hunting. This is why people voted for him, he was being anti-town. I like the case on Release not because of meta but becuase he is acting in an anti town way. My case on Zen is not built fact that he is lurking but rather his insanly scummy voting patterns. | ||
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On July 09 2012 07:29 JingleHell wrote:Of course, it's also possible Zen is actually the DT, and Evulrabbitz is scum, but Zen knows that in the current circumstances a counterclaim would be a waste of time. Waitwut!? You understand that Evul must be the DT, right? | ||
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On July 09 2012 07:45 Evulrabbitz wrote: No, your actions does not matter at all. The fact that we know there is one DT and one DT only does. If someone counterclaims at this point, we will just lynch both of you=win.If we just look at how my actions have affected the game I think we can conclude I am not scum: Made the final call to kill Hopeless. Saved the whole of day2 from a crusade against Jingle(and possible lynch). | ||
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On July 09 2012 07:46 JingleHell wrote: Yes, I'm making the assumption that Evul is not the most retarded person on earth. Him fake claiming at this point would mean that the only way for him to win is if the real DT doesn't counter claim. Why wouldn't the real DT counter claim in this spot? I'm not claiming to be smart, you however are simply dumb. You are a confirmed townie but that doesn't make your reads correct.No, I understand that it's incredibly likely he's the DT. Or were you suggesting that it's absolutely impossible for people to lie? Just because under the circumstances it seems improbable that he's not the DT doesn't mean he must be the DT. Of course, you're so focused on being smarter than everyone else that you're not willing to think outside the box. Why didn't you quote the part where I mentioned that I was talking about WIFOM to the point of absurdity? Because you were too busy wanting to try and beat me over the head with your ego? Pretty much. | ||
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On July 09 2012 07:53 JingleHell wrote: What was the purpose of this post, I don't get it. It's like saying''Well, uhm, what if Radfield is actually lying about the setup and there is actually a serial killer among us. I'm just thinking outside the box'' and then think that you've contributed when you have in fact done the opposite with clogging the thread up with useless shit.No, you're so fucking busy trying to be king shit that you can't understand the purpose of the post, and the reason I went with something absurd. I'm guessing you've still got your panties in a bunch over me dismissing your long-winded first post and actually succeeding at starting the conversation with sex toys. You have done nothing to help town, and I'm going to ignore you for the most part from now on. | ||
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On July 09 2012 07:53 Evulrabbitz wrote: 1 day and 2 hours, no?When is the end of the day? In 2 hours? | ||
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On July 09 2012 08:04 Evulrabbitz wrote: You shouldn't. This way scum will not know who to kill. wait untill 1 minute before deadline.I don't think I want to reveal my intentions for the nightly investigations just yet  | ||
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##unvote ##Vote Release | ||
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On July 10 2012 07:53 Lazermonkey wrote: EBWOP: Lol, what I meant was that they should not say who they are about to investigate...I'd say Tracker and DT should NOT claim. The only advantage we would get by saying who to investigate is to avoid checking the same person. But I fail to see a scenario where both of them will get info anyways(at least one of them should get RBed/killed). | ||
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On July 10 2012 08:35 YourHarry wrote:The advantage is publicizing who they are investigating simply lies in the fact that it will prevent DT and tracker to target the miller at the same time. It is possible that miller is already dead or will die tonight. But otherwise, we want to make sure that he won't be targeted by both DT and tracker. As long as we ensure this, and if scum picks the wrong combination of RB/NK target, then our victory is guaranteed. How does publicizing who you are going to check prevent us from not getting the miller? Scums will AT LEAST kill/RB one of Jiexian and Evul. Probebly both. So we will most likely not get more than one read anyway. | ||
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On July 10 2012 11:49 YourHarry wrote: What is this for kind of logic? Say scum shots tracker and RB DT, but his shot gets healed by medic, that means one read. Also what is this scenario where we get two reads? Most likely we will get either we get one or we get zero. We either get two reads, or 0 read. If we get two reads, we win; unless both reads pointed to the same player who turned out to be the miller. | ||
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As for Evul and Jiexian. In case you guys didn't get it, pick a name from here: Me Hapa Mackin Bass Harry And investigate him. Do not tell who you've investigate untill the day tho. | ||
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We know one of player A and player B is town and the other one is scum. player A acts in a town way, and player B doesn't. A confirmed DT says that player A showed as scum in a setup where millers are possible. Would you just lynch player A because of this? No, you wouldn't. To be completely honest, I haven't done any hardcore analysis of Bass filter. As a matter of fact, it almost seems like noone have done that. So what I ask you guys to do now is to take a VERY close look at his filter and decide what you think. As always, try to do this in an unbiased way. What I don't want: People who simply puts their vote on Bass ''just because he has 50% chance if flipping scum''. | ||
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