Newbie Mini Mafia XX - Page 2

On July 06 2012 14:20 YourHarry wrote:
Hopeless1der is flailing. Kill with fire!

##Vote Hopeless1der

On July 05 2012 21:09 Lazermonkey wrote:
Some good analysis there Hapa. Although I can't really contribute anything on Mackin as his filter is just that long. I only find the first post of him to be intresting tho. I don't agree with my post be contradictory which I have already said a dozen of times. Yes, I did use bad wording but that's about it. Also look at the timing. Basically echoing what Hope had already said at that point. The other posts from him is indeed fluff, which is at best bad town play.

On July 06 2012 20:02 Lazermonkey wrote:
Overall, this guy has it all. Lurks, tries to kill discussion about scum hunting, WIFOM accusations against lurkers and bandwagoning(assuming he wasn't joking). The only thing that somewhat points towards him being town is that his teammates probebly would be kinda upset with such a bad play and thus told him to step his posting up...

On July 07 2012 01:31 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay, I will go soon and may or may not be at home at the deadline. I will have my phone tho so I am able to check the thread and swap my vote if that is necessary. I will keep my vote on Jingle as of now, although that may change during the rest of the day. I will also change my vote to most scummy person in case there is a close voting. Here is my wish list for people I want dead:
1. Jingle.
2. JieXian
3. Hope/TMG

On July 07 2012 02:31 JingleHell wrote:


I think you're mixing "case" and "read". Read is just "town vs scum", case is "how it's proven". I've not built some massive thing with piles of evidence, just going off a small subset that screams scum.

On July 07 2012 02:37 Hapahauli wrote:


DAFUQ? Do you honestly believe that Lazer is a better case than Hopeless?



DAFUQ? Jingle and JieXian are better cases than Hopeless? Stop pointing fingers, focus on one read, and build a substantial case.

On July 07 2012 02:59 YourHarry wrote:
BTW, in response to what JieXian said:

Scums would likely make some level of accusations to at least one other scum. This is called bussing. This tendency may be instinctive, but in fact it is somewhat beneficial (for scums) later in the game in case one of the scum flips. So they can say, see I accused him so I am less likely to be scum. Of course, given that many scums do this, the argument is WIFOM. But I would be surprised to find 3 scum team not accusing or referencing each other on purpose for the first 15 pages of the game.

On July 07 2012 03:00 Hapahauli wrote:
JieXian, I'm just going to focus on the last part of your post because it contains most of your argument.



Most of your case assumes that Mackin and YourHarry are fellow scum, and that Lazer is scum because of his pattern of defense. Its worth saying that I could change those two names other players and use your logic to incriminate every other active poster in this game. Hell, you could build a case against me if you change your suspected scum list around right.

Also, I was the first to draw attention to Mackin and I wasn't attacked by Lazer. Your second point is just wrong. But do you know who attacked me after I brought attention to TMG and Mackin? Hopeless did. Lynch Hopeless1der

Lazer's at the top of my townie list atm. He's been incredibly uninhibited, posting all his reads, generating discussion, and calling out less-active players. This is as pro-town as you can get!

On July 07 2012 03:05 YourHarry wrote:


So you are saying we made superficial accusations to each other but not actual attempt to bandwagon each other?

On July 07 2012 03:14 YourHarry wrote:



I think one of the misconception is that scums would attack everyone. Where as towns may change their mind and post their changing reads in uninhibited manner, scums are always awry that people will suspect them of acting scummy. In my experience at least, scums tend to pick a target or two and tunnel. Unless definitive consensus builds on their initial target, they stay with the target.

In reality, it is super difficult to try to find scums from written texts that can have been modified and edited for perfection before being posted. There is no wavering tone of voice or wandering and intimidated eye contact to base your scum reads on. At least, for me, I change my reads all the time. For example, I was relatively sure Hopeless1 was scum but now I think he's probably town. I am bringing up this point to say that Lazer's attacking everyone does not mean he's scum. Also, despite Hopeless's long defense post made me think he's town, his attacking one person in this game does not necessarily make him obvious townie.

On July 07 2012 23:35 Evulrabbitz wrote:


I'm sorry I don't understand this. Please elaborate.