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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066¤tpage=12#239 You accused me of bandwagoning but you somehow missed this part a few posts earlier On July 06 2012 14:20 YourHarry wrote: Hopeless1der is flailing. Kill with fire! ##Vote Hopeless1der I don't think I have to describe how funny and cute Harry's mafia play is is hahahaha I noticed the only people you didn’t attack yet are YourHarry and Mackin. And coincidentally you pounced on everyone who posted something about them. Of course you didn't attack Hapa either because he's attacking everyone but YourHarry and Mackin (only had a light suspicion on Mackin which he himself calls a "less of a case", in the spoilers below) + Show Spoiler + On July 05 2012 19:21 Hapahauli wrote: I have less of a case on Mackin, but his first post is very very suspicious. Inaccurate/Bandwagon post on LazerMonkey. + Show Spoiler + On July 05 2012 07:06 Mackin wrote: Hey guys, just putting it out there Lazer is already on my FoS list and we're only just beginning, long contradictory post with almost too much effort put in. Underlined part is simply not true. The post only has one contradiction, and it isn't very long. Criticizing someone for putting "almost too much effort" into posting is a huge red flag. This sounds like someone who saw someone's criticism of a lone contradiction and immediately jumped on the bandwagon without any analysis. Very anti-town mentality. His next few posts are comprised of one-liners and fluff: + Show Spoiler + On July 05 2012 07:17 Mackin wrote: HellJingle, that's an interesting name... On July 05 2012 07:28 Mackin wrote: On July 05 2012 07:22 Hopeless1der wrote: Mackin give the poor guy a chance, he's just a little excited I think. I just wanted to give him a heads up so he checks his posts more carefully, that way we can narrow down our scum lists earlier rather than later. Fair enough point, but I just want to stir up some conversation to get people talking. Ain't that what Mafia's all about?  On July 05 2012 07:56 Mackin wrote: @Harry We have a clever one here methinks. On July 05 2012 21:09 Lazermonkey wrote: Some good analysis there Hapa. Although I can't really contribute anything on Mackin as his filter is just that long. I only find the first post of him to be intresting tho. I don't agree with my post be contradictory which I have already said a dozen of times. Yes, I did use bad wording but that's about it. Also look at the timing. Basically echoing what Hope had already said at that point. The other posts from him is indeed fluff, which is at best bad town play. And of course you didnt waste any time brushing any blame off him. _______________________________ On July 06 2012 20:02 Lazermonkey wrote: Overall, this guy has it all. Lurks, tries to kill discussion about scum hunting, WIFOM accusations against lurkers and bandwagoning(assuming he wasn't joking). The only thing that somewhat points towards him being town is that his teammates probebly would be kinda upset with such a bad play and thus told him to step his posting up... I expect to feel like a genius when I read the mafia QT and I see something like "MACKIN YOU BETTER FUCKIN POST" _______________________________ Lazer you in certain ways remind me too much of myself in NMMXVIII but only with double the agression it's so funny. Luckily your intelligence as mafia does not. - You pounced on everyone who dared laying a finger (of suspicion ^^) your mates. - You came to their defence (with "fire" if I may quote you) as soon as anyone brought them up. - You contradicted yourself by never addressing their posts which fit your criteria for scumminess. The criteria of which is of course, anything at all. - A funnier one, was that somehow I was 2nd on your list after you've been chasing down TMD and hopeless for so long. I was relatively safe, hopeless was about to be lynched and TMD... well he can't possibly a threat to your trio right now. I was thinking damn playing as townie is really hard. After 10 pages, I'm thinking, it can't possibly get any easier than this. ##Vote Lazermonkey | ||
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Here's the list I was referring to On July 07 2012 01:31 Lazermonkey wrote: Okay, I will go soon and may or may not be at home at the deadline. I will have my phone tho so I am able to check the thread and swap my vote if that is necessary. I will keep my vote on Jingle as of now, although that may change during the rest of the day. I will also change my vote to most scummy person in case there is a close voting. Here is my wish list for people I want dead: 1. Jingle. 2. JieXian 3. Hope/TMG Hapa take a close look at the connection between them. | ||
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On July 07 2012 02:31 JingleHell wrote: I think you're mixing "case" and "read". Read is just "town vs scum", case is "how it's proven". I've not built some massive thing with piles of evidence, just going off a small subset that screams scum. btw sorry for forgetting to add smilieys to that post if you know what I mean. I know you do. | ||
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On July 07 2012 02:37 Hapahauli wrote: DAFUQ? Do you honestly believe that Lazer is a better case than Hopeless? DAFUQ? Jingle and JieXian are better cases than Hopeless? Stop pointing fingers, focus on one read, and build a substantial case. hapa now will be a good time to read my post please. | ||
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On July 07 2012 02:59 YourHarry wrote: BTW, in response to what JieXian said: Scums would likely make some level of accusations to at least one other scum. This is called bussing. This tendency may be instinctive, but in fact it is somewhat beneficial (for scums) later in the game in case one of the scum flips. So they can say, see I accused him so I am less likely to be scum. Of course, given that many scums do this, the argument is WIFOM. But I would be surprised to find 3 scum team not accusing or referencing each other on purpose for the first 15 pages of the game. They did so in the first page. | ||
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On July 07 2012 03:00 Hapahauli wrote: JieXian, I'm just going to focus on the last part of your post because it contains most of your argument. Most of your case assumes that Mackin and YourHarry are fellow scum, and that Lazer is scum because of his pattern of defense. Its worth saying that I could change those two names other players and use your logic to incriminate every other active poster in this game. Hell, you could build a case against me if you change your suspected scum list around right. Also, I was the first to draw attention to Mackin and I wasn't attacked by Lazer. Your second point is just wrong. But do you know who attacked me after I brought attention to TMG and Mackin? Hopeless did. Lynch Hopeless1der Lazer's at the top of my townie list atm. He's been incredibly uninhibited, posting all his reads, generating discussion, and calling out less-active players. This is as pro-town as you can get! Hopeless only attacked YOU. Lazer attacked everyone. Try to look at the first case too. Bloody weird of Lazer to stop being "uninhibited" against Harry for that "bandwagon" post given a search for bandwagon on his filter returns 21 results (including people he was quoting) | ||
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On July 07 2012 03:05 YourHarry wrote: So you are saying we made superficial accusations to each other but not actual attempt to bandwagon each other? Do you mind explaining what do you mean by bandwagoning because I'm doubting that I understand the word (not sacarsm) because none of you were candidates. The candidates for bandwagoning are Jingle and Hopeless according to my understanding of the word. | ||
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On July 07 2012 03:14 YourHarry wrote: I think one of the misconception is that scums would attack everyone. Where as towns may change their mind and post their changing reads in uninhibited manner, scums are always awry that people will suspect them of acting scummy. In my experience at least, scums tend to pick a target or two and tunnel. Unless definitive consensus builds on their initial target, they stay with the target. In reality, it is super difficult to try to find scums from written texts that can have been modified and edited for perfection before being posted. There is no wavering tone of voice or wandering and intimidated eye contact to base your scum reads on. At least, for me, I change my reads all the time. For example, I was relatively sure Hopeless1 was scum but now I think he's probably town. I am bringing up this point to say that Lazer's attacking everyone does not mean he's scum. Also, despite Hopeless's long defense post made me think he's town, his attacking one person in this game does not necessarily make him obvious townie. You seem like a smarter person and for the most part your post makes sense. Which is why I think you're mafia because you have been tunneling on hopeless and then switched to TMG. Also your stupider partner seems to be super awry of anybody is is suspecting you and Mackin acting scummy. | ||
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YourHarry since you've got off the hopeless bandwagon into the TMD on, why the hell are you seeming to care more about my case on Lazer so much and not stopping Hapa since you seem to think Hopeless is innocent enough for you to change your vote? | ||
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I bought his defence that he changed his playstyle because he thought playing like NMMXVIII was part of a reason he was dead D1. | ||
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Also, I found Lazer's disinterest in the hopeless lynch given all the fire he was causing quite puzzling. Hapa, Jingle's emotional FUCK YOU posts in this game were exactly like what he'd post in the mafia QT so I have some serious BOTD on him. However I know that while being emotional, he's also smart so I can never be too sure. Mackin, mind explaining the vote on YourHarry? | ||
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On July 07 2012 23:35 Evulrabbitz wrote: I'm sorry I don't understand this. Please elaborate. If you're mafia but not Lazer: If you did a last minute vote to save hopeless and Lazer and he flips townie you'll probably be lynched next. The logical choice is to bus. If Lazer is mafia but not you: His case against Jingle or me wasn't be successful at that time so he just chose to bus hopeless to save himself. Hapa before you drive to the library I'm just pointing out the flaws in Evul's argument. | ||
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