Normal Mini Mafia II

On July 02 2012 13:55 Probulous wrote:


I'm keen to watch this game. Obs me G Man!

You two play nice now.

On July 05 2012 21:13 GMarshal wrote:

Yesterday was the 4th. I got sidetracked.

On the plus side, the majority of the PMs are written, and will go out when we are closer to the deadline.

On July 06 2012 01:18 s0Lstice wrote:
marv, I like how the newb mini you are cohosting has sex toys as one of the major talking points.

also, looking forward to obsing this!

On July 06 2012 05:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm in favor of the deadline being (and consequently the game starting) earlier. I like euros marv much more than the next guy, and I know I'd get pretty sick of consistent 3-5am deadlines. :/

On July 06 2012 07:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
DISSENT! GENERAL OUTRAGE! FEIGNED DESPAIR!

On July 06 2012 21:16 MrZentor wrote:
Haha, MsZontar isn't a smurf.

On July 06 2012 21:42 prplhz wrote:
hey marv

you are scum

stop ignoring me

On July 06 2012 21:11 marvellosity wrote:
If you're going to keep playing like this prplhz, it's going to be a tedious game.

On July 06 2012 21:45 MrZentor wrote:
YAYA VE!

What's the Kenpachi rule...?

On July 06 2012 22:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
So that means it wasn't scummy?

Look at it like this: NSH is going to claim VT regardless of his actual role, as we all would. You can choose to believe his claim or not, in the same way that scum (presuming you're not one and the same ) can, but there's no reason to believe that he's telling the truth.

However, Bluelightz is trying to attribute scumminess to the claim as if it were automatically true and as if he were giving scum information. But the fact of the matter is that his claim is a completely null tell because it's what anyone in the GAME would claim. The claim itself is NOT scummy. Bluelightz trying to cast suspicion on NSH is scummy.

On July 06 2012 22:23 prplhz wrote:
when it comes to sloosh my bullshit tolerance level is pretty low

marv ignoring me because scum

On July 06 2012 21:45 marvellosity wrote:




Already not reading the thread, prplhz?

VE usually surfaces a bit later, Zentor, when he gets to work and shizzle. You know who NSH is, right?

On July 06 2012 21:05 prplhz wrote:
lol marv is scum

##Vote marvellosity

On July 06 2012 21:42 prplhz wrote:
hey marv

you are scum

stop ignoring me

On July 06 2012 22:23 prplhz wrote:
when it comes to sloosh my bullshit tolerance level is pretty low

marv ignoring me because scum

On July 06 2012 22:15 prplhz wrote:
not this again....................

On July 02 2012 16:52 wherebugsgo wrote:

MovIe Star Mini Mafia Analysis

to prplhz in particular: you need to be less scared of what townies think about you. At many points close to the end of the day I remember that you would overthink situations and start contradicting yourself. Remember that the townies in the game don't know your alignment. If you're calling another townie suspicious the only person who knows you're wrong is the guy you're calling out. If you start making weird hedges just to convince yourself you're not looking scummy by calling a townie out, you end up calling attention to yourself.

Observers will recall at some point in the obs QT I said "prplhz is overthinking way too much" and this is what I was referring to. Mafia who concern themselves too much with their own appearances will end up looking exactly like what they're trying not to look like: wishy washy, scared scum.

On July 07 2012 00:44 slOosh wrote:
Hey all.

MrZentor has correctly identified my vote as a reaction test against a less known, less experienced (objectively by post count) player.

By doing this I have achieved two objectives of mine: first is to get better reads on people via gauging the responses to my weird play and also subsequent responses to those players. Pushing to something more meaningful than trite policy lynches and giving us something to work with.

Secondly, it makes me more visible - people are keeping an eye on me. Because I'm somewhat confident in my ability to reveal my towniness, this serves to give me a greater voice in town. People pay attention to the posts of those who they think suspicious. That means people gonna read what I say and also get a better, i.e. town, read on me. Awesome.

In any case I'll be resuming my regular play.

##Unvote: MrZentor
##Vote: Sinensis

(I'll be posting more later in the day. Slept at 4am yesterday due to shenanigans and gonna go work now. Hold me accountable)

On July 07 2012 02:07 MsZontar wrote:
K here's what i think, Marv is scum, first if you look at all his posts there is a distinct difference in tone between the pregame and game posts. Pregame he was joking, then once the game begins his posts becum harsher... If he was acctually looking for scum i think it would be more inqusitive... he seems very quick to accuse!

On July 07 2012 02:27 MrZentor wrote:
Marvellosity, if prphlz were dead, who would you kill?

On July 07 2012 03:07 drwiggl3s wrote:


I think we need to look at people's previous games. The way they acted D1, along with their resulting alignment. Unless we see a scum slip in this game today, I think that's the best way we can at least estimate who is scum.

On July 07 2012 01:37 Dangeresque77 wrote:


sorry ive been asleep


anyways heres what i think so far

i would be ok to vote for prplhz but im not totally convinced that hes scum. then again it would help to jst go ahead and lynch one person to give us a starting ground

1. from a town perspective. prplhz has been poking and prodding marvelosity and others. marv primely
if he is town he could be just tring to get people to react to being accused and see what they do. a good way of scum hunting

2. if he is mafia. he is trying to throw random suspicion around as to slow down the process of finding scum and make everyone vote for someone different

either way. he hasn't really contributed to anything except to confuse people


also im a little suspicious of Sinensis. like others have said his posts sound suspicious. i think we need to here more from him before we decide on anything

On July 07 2012 06:41 Dangeresque77 wrote:
Zephrid.

Now that you bring it up it would make sense for Marv and prplhz to be on the scum team.
They both throw a little suspicion at eachother without any real arguments.
If I
Had to gues right now I would say Marv and prplhz are scum team.
This is me making a clear opinion.

On July 07 2012 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Generally speaking I agree that people crying "Guys it was a reaction test!" are suspicious, slOosh's post does a couple of things that I feel like are very pro-town and worth mentioning that set his post apart from the bullshit, scummy variety.

First of all, he holds no illusions about the fact that this stunt is going to cause some grief for him. He makes it very clear that he expects to "more visible".

Secondly, at the end of the post he asks the thread to specifically hold him accountable for his activity picking back up when he says it will (I'll post later in the day, but not now because of X).

Given those things, I'm inclined to believe slOosh when he says it was a reaction test, however I'm eagerly awaiting what he has to say about Sinensis' reactions that caused him to end up being scummy.

On July 08 2012 06:18 prplhz wrote:
I'm really angry with how you made me claim cop and then you just unvote out of nowhere. With how quickly the bandwagon stopped I bet that there were scum on it though and I think that VisceraEyes is scum.

I don't get why wherebugsgo thinks my behavior is off because I am cop. He's one of the main proponents of "play blue as green" and how you're only blue while you send in your actions. I play like this, last time I was blue was in Pick Your Poison (with wherebugsgo) and no one guessed it.

On July 01 2012 05:13 drwiggl3s wrote:
Ok since some people asked, here's what I'm thinking.

I agree that BKEXE's initial posts were a tad scummy. But what gave it away to me was that after casualman voted for him, both Mattchew and BKEXE immediately returned the favour and voted for casualman to be lynched. Both without any explanation other than saying "Wtf is this". And then later, both went MIA for quite a while instead of explaining their votes or trying to defend BKEXE.

You may ask why would casualman throw his vote at BKEXE so early. It could be he is either just noob, or it could be he read BKEXE as scum (like many people are now) but just before a lot of people had the chance to.

As for other players: I find many people are soft defending BKEXE and in their posts trying to put suspicion onto others (with little reason). I see these as scummy moves.

On July 08 2012 18:44 Bluelightz wrote:
so..... akdshgfadshgfyagsln

Anyway, I'm gonna read up on Sinensis and probably some others too.

Since, prplhz is a (claimed) cop, should we try and direct him or just leave him to his own decisions?

I think that prplhz should check by himself and claim it like 5 (or 1) minute(s) before the deadline or something, also he should claim the result too, that is if he lives, but this is assuming he is actually a cop.

On July 09 2012 08:39 Dangeresque77 wrote:
I still think prplhz is a little bit scummy but not as much as before. Especially since no one had challenged his cop claim

As for you Marv. I could see you being scum but I don't really think it's likely

On July 09 2012 23:43 Zephirdd wrote:
I didnt change cuz I was away. My read on him at night was "stubborn town". God damnit, I was pretty sure it was a freaking slip. But prpl said he was rb'd.

Back to VE then.
##unvote
##vote visceraeyes

On July 09 2012 23:59 MrZentor wrote:


When he realized that acting like that was going to get him lynched, he tried something new.

He's still scum.

On July 10 2012 00:28 MrZentor wrote:
Guess what!

You aren't the town!

We can easily get the majority to vote for Sinensis without you, and you still think I need to convince you?

Just being you're a confirmed town doesn't mean your read is correct.

On July 10 2012 01:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why doesn't anyone want to win? I told you, vote for Sinensis. Christ, it's like you people aren't listening at all.

Marv, I agree that prplhz cop claim is horse-shit. I said this yesterday, and you've since said that you want to lynch me. So it's what the fuck ever.

On July 10 2012 05:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
To be frank I'm not discussing with anyone slOosh, it's nothing personal.

Ask marv how much I've interacted with him this game.

On July 10 2012 00:30 slOosh wrote:
Yo MrZentor,

I (slOosh), the main pusher for the Sinensis lynch, has decided he is looking townish even in light of everything I said D1. Clearly there is reason behind this. I'm not there to piggyback off anymore.

On July 07 2012 07:28 MrZentor wrote:
Prphlz is being a reckless townie.

Sinensis is being a cautious, lurky scum. (A lot like my scum play actually)

Forgot to do this earlier. ##Vote: Sinensis

On June 16 2012 00:17 marvellosity wrote:


I know it seems like I'm obsessed with Toad right now, but I see no mention from you in your filter of ANY suspicions of Toad. So explain.

On June 16 2012 00:35 MrZentor wrote:
A lot of people have talked about their suspicions of toad and their reasons. He seems like the best target right now.

If I were to tell you why Toad is mafia, I'd be copying a bunch of other people.

On July 10 2012 00:23 MrZentor wrote:
If I'm going to provide "adequate reason" I'll probably end up copying BlueLight's case, because he showed why Sinensis is scum much better than I ever could.

How is that helpful to anyone?

If you really want me to reiterate the case against Sinensis, you're just going to be wasting everybody's time.

On July 10 2012 19:52 prplhz wrote:
I lynched zentor before because he was acting antagonistic. I don't really know what to think about him but the fact that he's actively trying to piss off a confirmed townie and proven scum hunter just seems like something scum wouldn't do, especially a player like zentor. I think you might be tunneling him with your "power games" and because he is really good at pissing people off marvellosity. It really looks different from outside and I know because I've tried the inside and now I'm looking at it from the outside. I caught him in BBM2 because he was posting carefully and non-contributory (just a token case on day1, big posts with no content) but that's not how he is posting right now. This really seems more like his town meta.

I don't like how VisceraEyes is avoiding a lynch because people are switching onto easy targets (Sinensis, zentor). We have a really good case on VisceraEyes and people seems to acknowledge this but for some reason no one is voting him which I don't like. Why did slOosh change away from some guy who he says he thinks is pretty much confirmed mafia just to lynch some easy target in zentor?

On July 09 2012 00:17 Zephirdd wrote:


You know what I see from this? "I don't want to mess with you, so I'll stay on a safe spot". It's been quite a while since I've seen such a wishy washy post like this.

On July 09 2012 03:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
I've played with Sin before - if Sin is town, he'll just shut down if someone is unequivocally calling him scum. I wanted to avoid that, so I wanted to make sure he understood what I was saying. If you perceive that as "wishy washy" or "hedgy" then obviously that's your right.

So yeah, I just gonna keep doin what I'm doin.

On July 09 2012 10:21 VisceraEyes wrote:

Those attacking me aren't taking into account my typical town play. That's pretty much all I have to say on the matter.

Smooches.

On July 10 2012 05:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
I haven't given up on the game - I'm playing it differently than normal.

I know, that's scummy as shit. Honestly if you're willing to lynch me for saying that then we've probably lost anyway. :/

On July 08 2012 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:

##Vote: Sinensis

By far the best case in the thread right now. I agree with most of slOosh's points, though I feel he's unfairly calling his responses "overly defensive" when his is the only decent case in the thread.

On July 10 2012 01:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why doesn't anyone want to win? I told you, vote for Sinensis. Christ, it's like you people aren't listening at all.

Marv, I agree that prplhz cop claim is horse-shit. I said this yesterday, and you've since said that you want to lynch me. So it's what the fuck ever.

On July 11 2012 09:34 Zephirdd wrote:
Hmmmm

marv, bluelightz, sloosh, D77, Sinensis, prplhz.

Three of you, are you online?

I'm pretty sure three of you are. Sloosh said he was online. bluelightz just posted. marv is here too, I know you won't miss the lynch.

I've been looking at the Zentor lynch. I know it feels weird to say that, but would you switch to Zentor?
Things like this


make me feel uneasy to just let him go. I don't think he ever explained this. Why would you post a list of three players at night if not to make a scum list? Why would you post a list at all? Note how he made the list before marv claimed vigi - which means he wasn't confirmed.

This:


Appealing to Emotion on a less vocal player, trying to make him feel uneasy of his read.


VE has been quite active lately. Most of us have just been looking down to him. But what was the reasoning to switch out of Zentor? This feels like a mistake? That's bullshit.

I hate to say this marv, but we've been following your gut too hard. We've been lazy. If VE flips town, everyone is going to be demoralized and we're going to LYLO the next day.

We have 6 votes on VE. I will switch into Zentor and leave to you decide since I'll probably not be around here at deadline(tuesday party time hooray). With 5 votes, a lynch is doable.

If I recall correctly, the general sentiment on the thread is that both of them are scum. As long as there is not a no-lynch, we're fine, right?

Seriously, I invite everyone to re-read Zentor's filter and reconsider it, as well as reading the last few posts by VE.

##unvote
##vote MrZentor

On July 11 2012 07:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
But I've given reasoning for my reads! This is ridiculous guys, I don't even understand what this lynch is about. Everyone's case contains WAAAY too much insinuating scum motivation for my actions/inactions, and honestly there's no defense that will satisfy people like slOosh and prplhz who have been hardline against me all day.

Your minds are made up, but that doesn't make me scum, and it doesn't change the fact that lynching me IS a mislynch.

Honestly, whatever happened to a MrZentor lynch? Why when I support the lynch and give reasoning for it is everyone suddenly wanting to lynch me? I understand that some have had their minds up all day, but some actually had reasoning to be on Zentor until sentiment favored a VE lynch.

I'm looking at slOosh here. The strangest part about his support of my lynch is the fact that he's completely unwilling to hear me defend myself....but I find that completely scummy because he was willing to lynch MrZentor before that. And slOosh isn't the type to be swayed by connections that don't exist, which strikes "VE is on Zentor" from the list of possibilities...so why? Why would he pull support from a Zentor lynch in favor of a VE lynch if he thinks we're both scum?

And what about his mysterious read on Sinensis? All he's said on the matter is "I have my reasons" and "he's looking more townie" but never elaborates on why...especially considering he was present DURING Sinensis' defense and was arguing with him. He never comments on my comments on Sinensis, which I find scummy because if he were a townie and had a change of heart re: Sinensis, it seems to me that he'd at least be interested in what I have to say on the matter...but it's never mentioned. Not. Once. Marv mentioned it, and semi-agreed with it. But slOosh couldn't be bothered.

Ultimately, I'm reading slOosh as scum. This has nothing to do with the fact that he's attacking me - it has to do with the reasons I just gave you.

Prplhz checking MsZontar didn't make sense - she was on track to be the lynch today, and was the target of vigs, by the vocal townies in the thread. Sinensis would have been a much better check, or me if he's suspicious of me, or Zentor, or FUCKING ANYONE but MsZontar. You guys should seriously scrutinze prplhz if he lives tomorrow and is roleblocked again.

So, my reads at time of death, is slOosh, prplhz, Sinensis.

On July 11 2012 10:36 slOosh wrote:



Think critically. Sit tight and watch a lying scum flip.

On July 08 2012 07:35 slOosh wrote:
I am here and fine with drwiggl3s

On July 11 2012 10:50 slOosh wrote:
Wow. Are you serious? One misstep by me and town goes to ruin?

On July 11 2012 11:04 GMarshal wrote:
HiroPro is writing the night post, expect it soon.

On July 11 2012 11:08 marvellosity wrote:
oh goddamnit.

You die tomorrow slOosh.

On July 11 2012 20:39 Zephirdd wrote:

The reason Sinensis and prplhz have a connection in alignment is Sinensis non-slip which I thought was slip - which I explained already. If Sinensis says "prplhz was not roleblocked", and I called it being a scum slip, a scum prplhz could simply say he wasn't roleblocked(and claim green read on MsZontar, w/e); That would make me want to lynch Sinensis, create suspicion on D77 and generate chaos that would benefit scum.

On July 12 2012 00:59 marvellosity wrote:
You're scum because what you claimed at the time of the lynch was a 'mistake' was a wilful manipulation of the facts.

You're scum because you're playing differently than usual (not merely 'more confidently' as per Movie analysis).

You're scum because you have several posts where my brow furrowed at the train of thought which pretty much never happens to me with town slOosh.

You're scum because I was backing down from VE based on an emotional gut reaction to the fact he was dumping a shitload of information on to town, you effectively bullied me into voting for him without apparently at all considering his defence.

On July 12 2012 01:02 slOosh wrote:
Drop the meta - have you ever played with me / seen me play past D1?

On July 11 2012 07:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
But I've given reasoning for my reads! This is ridiculous guys, I don't even understand what this lynch is about. Everyone's case contains WAAAY too much insinuating scum motivation for my actions/inactions, and honestly there's no defense that will satisfy people like slOosh and prplhz who have been hardline against me all day.

Your minds are made up, but that doesn't make me scum, and it doesn't change the fact that lynching me IS a mislynch.

Honestly, whatever happened to a MrZentor lynch? Why when I support the lynch and give reasoning for it is everyone suddenly wanting to lynch me? I understand that some have had their minds up all day, but some actually had reasoning to be on Zentor until sentiment favored a VE lynch.

I'm looking at slOosh here. The strangest part about his support of my lynch is the fact that he's completely unwilling to hear me defend myself....but I find that completely scummy because he was willing to lynch MrZentor before that. And slOosh isn't the type to be swayed by connections that don't exist, which strikes "VE is on Zentor" from the list of possibilities...so why? Why would he pull support from a Zentor lynch in favor of a VE lynch if he thinks we're both scum?

And what about his mysterious read on Sinensis? All he's said on the matter is "I have my reasons" and "he's looking more townie" but never elaborates on why...especially considering he was present DURING Sinensis' defense and was arguing with him. He never comments on my comments on Sinensis, which I find scummy because if he were a townie and had a change of heart re: Sinensis, it seems to me that he'd at least be interested in what I have to say on the matter...but it's never mentioned. Not. Once. Marv mentioned it, and semi-agreed with it. But slOosh couldn't be bothered.

Ultimately, I'm reading slOosh as scum. This has nothing to do with the fact that he's attacking me - it has to do with the reasons I just gave you.

Prplhz checking MsZontar didn't make sense - she was on track to be the lynch today, and was the target of vigs, by the vocal townies in the thread. Sinensis would have been a much better check, or me if he's suspicious of me, or Zentor, or FUCKING ANYONE but MsZontar. You guys should seriously scrutinze prplhz if he lives tomorrow and is roleblocked again.

So, my reads at time of death, is slOosh, prplhz, Sinensis.

On July 08 2012 13:54 slOosh wrote:
Well if Sinensis is stubborn town, and prplhz is weirdo town, then D1 was wild goose chase, and therefore scum probably played lazy / lurkeresque style, making sure to fit in but not really needing to put in any effort. Thereby you could probably find them among the pile of players who didn't really push town a certain direction.

Would you guys agree with this assessment?

On July 11 2012 07:16 VisceraEyes wrote:

I'm looking at slOosh here. The strangest part about his support of my lynch is the fact that he's completely unwilling to hear me defend myself....but I find that completely scummy because he was willing to lynch MrZentor before that. And slOosh isn't the type to be swayed by connections that don't exist, which strikes "VE is on Zentor" from the list of possibilities...so why? Why would he pull support from a Zentor lynch in favor of a VE lynch if he thinks we're both scum?

And what about his mysterious read on Sinensis? All he's said on the matter is "I have my reasons" and "he's looking more townie" but never elaborates on why...especially considering he was present DURING Sinensis' defense and was arguing with him. He never comments on my comments on Sinensis, which I find scummy because if he were a townie and had a change of heart re: Sinensis, it seems to me that he'd at least be interested in what I have to say on the matter...but it's never mentioned. Not. Once. Marv mentioned it, and semi-agreed with it. But slOosh couldn't be bothered.

Ultimately, I'm reading slOosh as scum. This has nothing to do with the fact that he's attacking me - it has to do with the reasons I just gave you.

On July 11 2012 01:02 slOosh wrote:
I don't care who we lynch, I think they are both scum.

I'm comfortable with lynching all three as individuals, and even more so as a team. I also want to consolidate. I'll be trusting marv's and Zephirdd's judgements here. My preference however goes to MrZentor based on how they are keen to redirect the lynch.

##Unvote MrZentor
##Vote VisceraEyes
(I'll be checking up online all day so consider my vote good on whoever).

On July 11 2012 10:36 slOosh wrote:



Think critically. Sit tight and watch a lying scum flip.

On July 12 2012 05:56 Sinensis wrote:
##vote: MrZentor



A lot of people seem to think sloosh is scum. I'm not going to disagree with them.

I don't believe you went this entire game being unsuspicious of Zeph, only to read sloosh's surprise case against him and be convinced in any way.

On July 10 2012 02:05 VisceraEyes wrote:


This is huge, by my estimation. It clearly illustrates that he's not looking at the thread from the same perspective as me (town).

On July 12 2012 20:57 GMarshal wrote:
Ok, all PMs that weren't sent last night have been sent.

For reference, that's all roleblock PMs, all information role PMs and all veteran hit notification PMs. Not all of these are necessarily present.

This is a reminder to myself to brutally murder my cohost later.

On July 12 2012 12:52 slOosh wrote:
This is when many voices doubted the validity of the cop claim (including confirmed towns NSH and VE [yes this is a jab at you marv, just because you flip town doesn't mean you are infallible]).

On July 08 2012 06:26 marvellosity wrote:


Don't you dare. You completely brought this upon yourself and bugs is totally correct. If you are the cop then your play at the beginning of the day was absolutely atrocious, and COMPLETELY unbefitting of your role. You're perfectly capable of solid townie play, but instead you throw crap at the thread when you're in possession of such a power role? What the fuck, seriously?

On July 08 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote:
There's 2 inter-related reasons I'm wary of lynching prplhz today, being

1) I have a terrible record with assessing/lynching blue claims,
2) I have a tendency to grossly overestimate what I expect from players I have respect for (and you are one, prplhz).

An example of these 2 things working together is Bang Bang, where I lynched (shot) gonzaw the claimed cop. I thought the claim was iffy, but most of all I expected MORE from his play previously (there had been holes). But I was wrong and gonzaw had simply played more suboptimally than I expected.

On July 09 2012 22:18 marvellosity wrote:

The prplhz cop claim

I really still can't quite get over this. prplhz said "you guys forced me to claim cop".

Out of 12 players, only 3 players actually placed a vote on prplhz (me, Zeph, VE). Many others actually defended him. It feels very wrong that someone would claim cop with 3 votes maximum on them. I want ALL of town's thoughts on this please.

On July 13 2012 00:04 MrZentor wrote:
Well I think I paired two of the town leader's names with a scum's to see how people responded to the idea of you guys being scum, so I could tell if I was being paranoid or if I had reasonable fears.

I mean, that would be a good reason to do it, but I'm not sure if that's why I did it. I'm not entirely sure why I did it. :/

On July 12 2012 06:42 Zephirdd wrote:

Why would a town player make a scum list on night 1? There are a few reasons. Gauge reactions, look awesome if all three of them flip scum after the game.

Why would a scum player make a list on night 1? Create confusion, make a little ground to attack all of them later on the game.

On July 13 2012 09:45 slOosh wrote:
Really? You don't think the weird manner he assess the cop claim & outing himself & considering Zeph as confirmed strange at all, as well as his outing medic dealio has any grounds?

Or is the ballsyness of the situation too much balls to be considered as plausible?
(prplhz scum D77 scum and they lie about prplhz roleblock and have D77 pretend to be jailor, Zeph's alignment irrelevant to plan but treatment of Zeph still strange.)

On July 13 2012 23:34 slOosh wrote:

You once again acknowledge my points but choose to focus on the "easier" one, and on that you still haven't explained how the whole possibility of a medic helps us kill scum.

I'll lay it out for everyone:
From scum perspective, they have 1kp. Perhaps they have 2kp from strongarm.
If D77 is town jailor, they will know that a marv prot is certain. Therefore, unless they had 2kp from strongarm, they wouldn't make the shot on marv - it just doesn't make sense. It is totally sensible to shoot D77 - I mean, no one suspects him, everyone has basically accepted that he is jailor.

If they did have 2kp, maybe they shot marv, and since we had an additional medic prot, he didn't die. However, this still doesn't explain why knowing that it is this situation rather than scum using delay helps us. What is to gain from outing the medic? Will it not result in more surefire shots from the scum team? How does it help town at all to know the possible presence of a strongarm which has already been used up?

D77 isn't asking people thoughts on possibilities, he is straight up asking medic to claim.

This isn't asking about the possibility of a medic - he is inviting medics to claim.

On July 13 2012 23:36 slOosh wrote:
Which supports my theory that scum used delay and are trying to out the medic for the surefire win since they win when they outnumber town, and if somehow there are two protects these next two nights it will be 4 town 3 scum or 3 town 3 scum and game would still continue.

On July 14 2012 23:58 MrZentor wrote:
There were tons of cases against Sinensis, and I was directing you toward those to find why he's scummy. Why should I have to make my own case?

On July 15 2012 11:40 Zephirdd wrote:
1. Marvellosity
You worked the hardest. You should've listened to me on the VE/MrZentor shit tho T_T Especially to you, the last few posts from VE should be evidence that he was town. This was your biggest mistake IMO.

To be honest, even without the vig shot, I'd never think of you as scum all game long. Confirming yourself was insanely good though. Well done. Not much else to say really. Maybe don't doubt your MrZentor lynch like that?

2. NoSmurfHere(wbg?)
Vanilla claim was great LOL. It actually worked into catching bluelightz. I don't know why we didn't push him more, and instead opted for his target day 1.
Overall, I don't remember doubting your innocence and felt you were a good day 1 shot target(along with me and marv).

3. slOosh
When you say you'll do something, do it goddamnit. Like voting Zentor when we ask.
You also gotta agree your case on me was terrible. The reason is simple: I didn't give space for a good case come at me. You became paranoid when I started tunneling you, and I think you should revise that.
Your earlier posts also looked a bit shady; On MSMM, you were very different. That's why we all had so much suspicion on you.

6. Dangeresque77
Somehow, I feel that instaclaim on JK was the correct thing to do. I hate the lack of breadcrumbs, but instaclaiming right after I claim the rb was good because this is a mini and there was another confirmed town.

However, you lacked on your vanilla department. Your scumhunting was sub-par, and most of the time you were only sheeping marv and me. Doubt everything, and play for yourself. Don't leave the game on the hands of the others, especially when you are semi-confirmed.

8. Sinensis
When you are town, don't overthink your posts. That gives us mechanical posts that resemble a lot of a cautious scum.

You were vanilla, you didn't had to be shy. You did a good job pissing me off day 1 though; and I admit it gave me some ideas for some cool plays. Still, you sheeped too much and put too little pressure into the scum team. These are some things worth mentioning

10. VE
I'm sorry
This is how it worked for me. I thought you were town. Then I realized you were always in the middle of the voters. Then I remembered that (useless) text I read about voters.
Then I made some suspicion on you, thought you were scum, but your reactions made me realize you actually were town.

To be honest, purely defending yourself is bad. When you are under pressure, you gotta show you are town not only by defending yourself, but by showing you can find scum. You didn't show much of scumhunting day 1 either.

You improved from MSMM though, and that's awesome. Much better to play with you here.

11. MsZontar
Next time your brother doesn't help you with the game, call him scum please.
Post more, be more active. Forum mafia is very different from live mafia as in it requires a lot more activity and you can't just go "I'm not sure ##vote".

Hopefully you get these things right in the future :D

12. drwiggl3s
The lynch on you was bad. I was away at the time and couldn't fight against it. Well, I'm not sure how I'd react though.
Day 1 lynches are always a pain though so there isn't much I can talk about here ;x

The Aberrants
MrZentor
I KNEW YOU WERE FUCKING SCUM SADGASFDHSDFHKJAHDJKFGASKJDGHDF well played sir. At various points, I was thinking "wait, I think I'm wrong" and I thought you were town by the endgame.

I'm glad my case on you was objectively correct though, helps me hunt moar :D

prplhz
BALLS. Claiming cop day 1? Fuck you. Why didn't I question that. I had you, but you came back with some emotional bullshit and a cop claim? I mean, that's a prime example of an excellent use of TL mafia meta, when we had so many mislynches by bullshit lately. Congratulations.

Bluelightz
I had a lot of doubts on you, but I thought all the time "He is always a big question mark so I can't read him". I can't believe it took me so long to realize you were scum. Well played sir.

Overall, scum team successfully raped town.
I feel ashamed to let the day 1 stuff pass by that way.

Anyways, GGWP scum. Deserve a mention on mafia awards.

On July 16 2012 00:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
sigh.
I'll be doing it again, but I'll be lynched for it.

Thx GM.