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talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 06 2012 22:40 GMT
#955
On July 07 2012 07:35 strongandbig wrote:
no
sorry
i didnt think this would be so hard


ok cool that confirms the fact that I was apparently the second viewer according to the viewcounter on the QT
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 06 2012 22:43 GMT
#956
Oh this is awesome.

Other hydras, I'd like to see all your private communications that you feel are safe to share as well.

We should really rule artanis+acro out this way. Can you guys copy+paste the text of all your communications up until any point where you talk about who you're busing tonight? Thanks!
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 06 2012 22:51 GMT
#959
sonofabitch saturn we really have been at each other's throats for nothing =/
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 06 2012 23:00 GMT
#964
damn this is great I didn't expect HRB.

Artanis and acro we definitely need yours now. Need need need. Post your communiques, my friends.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 06 2012 23:02 GMT
#967
Can I get a hug and a kiss when I flip?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 06 2012 23:04 GMT
#968
On July 07 2012 08:00 kingdedede wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 07:43 talismania wrote:
Oh this is awesome.

Other hydras, I'd like to see all your private communications that you feel are safe to share as well.

We should really rule artanis+acro out this way. Can you guys copy+paste the text of all your communications up until any point where you talk about who you're busing tonight? Thanks!

Can't do that, my talks with Acro include a lot of talk about my current MTG game I'm hosting which includes sensitive information that could dramatically alter that game. I don't feel like editing out half the conversation either since it'd prove nothing as I could be editing it as scum.


well that sucks. Can we get a few little teasers here and there? Surely there are some exchanges that don't include talk about that game.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 06 2012 23:07 GMT
#970
On July 07 2012 08:04 talismania wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 08:00 kingdedede wrote:
On July 07 2012 07:43 talismania wrote:
Oh this is awesome.

Other hydras, I'd like to see all your private communications that you feel are safe to share as well.

We should really rule artanis+acro out this way. Can you guys copy+paste the text of all your communications up until any point where you talk about who you're busing tonight? Thanks!

Can't do that, my talks with Acro include a lot of talk about my current MTG game I'm hosting which includes sensitive information that could dramatically alter that game. I don't feel like editing out half the conversation either since it'd prove nothing as I could be editing it as scum.


well that sucks. Can we get a few little teasers here and there? Surely there are some exchanges that don't include talk about that game.


Yeah I'm serious about this. you need to give us something. I highly doubt every single post has stuff on the MTG game.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 06 2012 23:11 GMT
#971
On July 07 2012 08:05 Mister Saturn wrote:
Nope, I don't give hugs to scum

And if you're actually town, I'll be too sad


You and me both I think are getting toasted in the scum QT unless you and strongandbig had the foresight to fake those convos like that.

Right now we need to keep pressuring artanis to post as much of his convo with acrofales as possible. I think what HRB posted almost absolutely rules them out as scum.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 06 2012 23:28 GMT
#978
On July 07 2012 08:17 kingdedede wrote:
Everything interesting we've already shared in thread. It was mostly Acro playing as I focussed on my MTG game. That's why most of the talk was about MTG, where Acro just checked things that he wanted to post with me in skype. Our exchanges went something like:
[5-7-2012 00:40:38] Acro: how about:
[5-7-2012 00:40:40] Acro: <quote of anagram>
This is an anagram for bus cephiro risen.

That's exactly what we did. I guess we got lucky with our guess. The idea behind it was that scum would want to get rid of any extra town KP as fast as possible and my strongest town read on a (semi-)confirmed KP player was Cephiro.
We thought of driving ourselves (we were also afraid of iGrok picking us up), but figured the risk to Cephiro was probably bigger. At least for the hit we were right...

The earlier thought was to move any damage on a town player to a scummy player, but our strongest scum reads were at risk of getting shot themselves:

1. We still don't like Tali. Grush has also voiced his dislike of Tali. Grush has KP and might've shot Tali.
2. Grush is a similar story. He has lurked and even a lynch hasn't gotten him to do anything useful. We want to see who he shoots. However, a bus was not really an option, because iGrok has said he thinks Grush is scum and he might want to pick up Grush. Swapping a mob hit for a donkey kong right, seemed like a really bad idea. Als night and having a town read donkey konged seemed like a bad idea
3. iGrok also couldn't be swapped for the same reason as Tali.

I'm still pretty null on Saturn and Risen, but have a townie read on HRB. I just followed SnB's advice to swap Cephiro with the player least likely to take damage. I also kinda liked that Risen had 3 stock, so was not in any immediate danger.
[5-7-2012 00:41:30] Artanis: hm
[5-7-2012 00:41:53] Artanis: sure
[5-7-2012 00:42:12] Artanis: Sounds okay

Unless you want a few more posts like this there's not much I can give you.


Yeah, as much as possible please. We need to do as much as possible to maybe confirm that you're town.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 06 2012 23:31 GMT
#979
On July 07 2012 08:17 HomerunBat wrote:
If cephiro isn't lying he'll shoot grush, so no worries there.


He isn't lying - the concern would be that grush is town in which case cephiro + dedede have this almost all the way in the bag. They have 2.5 kp to work with and hiropro already committed to shooting me. Even if I switch from carrying mister saturn to one of them we'd have to get lucky with grush's shot and get hiropro to change his mind to have a chance at not having two dead townies in the morning.

It sort of occurred to me that what I said about "if dedede and cephiro were scum one will change their mind at the last second blahblahblah" actually happened and I didn't even notice. I really really really want to rule them out as a possibility and pray that hiropro and snb just made those convos up because they're smart players so pretty please artanis with sugar on top, post as much of the stuff that you can with acrofales. Even if you have to spend an hour editing it, please do.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 07 2012 00:20 GMT
#987
hmm pretty sure that artanis just whined to toad that we were forcing him to post incriminating stuff. whatever. The thing he posted actually looks just like what scum do when they're working on what a post looks like. None of the other pairs have done that as I can see. I can't imagine he doesn't have some bits of convo about "what do you think about talismania? I think he's town now actually" blahblahblah but, again, whatever.

If hiro is truly shooting me and it actually turns out to be dedede and cephiro then gg. I can't argue with the fact that dedede has an incredibly town filter.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 07 2012 00:21 GMT
#988
On July 07 2012 08:35 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 08:28 talismania wrote:
On July 07 2012 08:17 kingdedede wrote:
Everything interesting we've already shared in thread. It was mostly Acro playing as I focussed on my MTG game. That's why most of the talk was about MTG, where Acro just checked things that he wanted to post with me in skype. Our exchanges went something like:
[5-7-2012 00:40:38] Acro: how about:
[5-7-2012 00:40:40] Acro: <quote of anagram>
This is an anagram for bus cephiro risen.

That's exactly what we did. I guess we got lucky with our guess. The idea behind it was that scum would want to get rid of any extra town KP as fast as possible and my strongest town read on a (semi-)confirmed KP player was Cephiro.
We thought of driving ourselves (we were also afraid of iGrok picking us up), but figured the risk to Cephiro was probably bigger. At least for the hit we were right...

The earlier thought was to move any damage on a town player to a scummy player, but our strongest scum reads were at risk of getting shot themselves:

1. We still don't like Tali. Grush has also voiced his dislike of Tali. Grush has KP and might've shot Tali.
2. Grush is a similar story. He has lurked and even a lynch hasn't gotten him to do anything useful. We want to see who he shoots. However, a bus was not really an option, because iGrok has said he thinks Grush is scum and he might want to pick up Grush. Swapping a mob hit for a donkey kong right, seemed like a really bad idea. Als night and having a town read donkey konged seemed like a bad idea
3. iGrok also couldn't be swapped for the same reason as Tali.

I'm still pretty null on Saturn and Risen, but have a townie read on HRB. I just followed SnB's advice to swap Cephiro with the player least likely to take damage. I also kinda liked that Risen had 3 stock, so was not in any immediate danger.
[5-7-2012 00:41:30] Artanis: hm
[5-7-2012 00:41:53] Artanis: sure
[5-7-2012 00:42:12] Artanis: Sounds okay

Unless you want a few more posts like this there's not much I can give you.


Yeah, as much as possible please. We need to do as much as possible to maybe confirm that you're town.

THAT'S GETTING A LITTLE TOO MUCH...
YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO FIGURE SOMEONE OUT BY OUT OF THREAD INFORMATION. IT IS ALLOWED TO POST THE INFORMATION WHEN BEING ASKED FOR A SPECIFIC REASON (YOU WANTED TO KNOW WETHER OR NOT SUCH A QT EXISTED) BUT THIS IS GOING THE WRONG WAY...

YEAH I KNOW I SAID IT'S OKAY AS LONG AS YOU ONLY POST THE TEXT BUT IF THIS GETS TO BE A "ALL HYDRAS POST EVERYTHING FOR THE SAKE OF FIGURING PEOPLE OUT" I HAVE TO REVISE THIS. NO POSTING ABOUT SUCH THINGS MORE THAN WAS ALREADY POSTED


toad you gotta know that when I'm involved I'm trying to break the game in my favor =P
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 07 2012 04:04 GMT
#992
dedede you need to post to say who you think my partner is since you voted for me. It pretty much has to be cephiro - did you even think about that before you voted? Who else do you think it could be?

Hiropro, please consider shooting one of cephiro/acrofales tonight instead of me (lol as if). You can always get me lynched tomorrow.

Based on the intra-hydra talk (I ain't ignoring that shit you're all dumb for ignoring any evidence) honestly artanis+acro look the worst. I'm going to switch my carry onto cephiro I guess since it seems like the only thing I can do to convince you guys I'm not scum with him. Hiro I guess that should make your life a lot easier but again please consider just shooting cephiro.

That means, [b]grush[b] if you want to hit cephiro again without worrying about the bus driver you can shoot me. Or you can just shoot cephiro. either way.

____________________


Top lessons from this mafia game:

1) Never brag that when you're town, you're so town everyone knows. Apparently that's not always true.
2) When you're town (this goes for everyone in this game) always always always doubt yourself, particularly if you find yourself tunneling the same person for a long time.

Assuming I won't be alive tomorrow. It's been fun playing with you!
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 07 2012 04:46 GMT
#994
dunno why I keep wanting to post too, but you're wrong about cephiro + dedede having no reason to change the lynch.

If it's a no-lynch, they can't win right away. They'd have 2.5 kp and could only kill one townie (grush or you in this scenario) with it.

But by switching the lynch to me, they can win by using their 1 kp on grush and their 1.5 kp on me (which you would be acting as insurance on) and therefore get rid of two townies.

Anyway hiro

When you're town (this goes for everyone in this game) always always always doubt yourself, particularly if you find yourself tunneling the same person for a long time.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 07 2012 06:05 GMT
#997
yeah hiro the problem I'm having now and why I've started getting paranoid about cephiro + dedede is that if it really is you plus grush then I actually think town is winning after both he and I flip. If I carry you tonight, then you have 0.5 kp which makes it easier for town, but even if I don't you only have 2.0 in a sea full of 3.0s which would make it really hard for you to solo the win. So I'm not sure what the justification for me carrying you honestly is, when instead I can carry cephiro (or I guess dedede) and hedge bets on the off chance that I convince grush to shoot me as well.

You interactions with strongandbig seem legit as well, while artanis' reluctance to delve into his with acro set off some alarm bells (what he did pull out looked like post coaching which also raises eyebrows). That said I will reiterate that acro has been playing really well if he is scum, acting just randomly enough to seem townie without messing up an underlying scum agenda.

Actually what about this: grush shoots me (I carry cephiro/dedede) and you shoot whomever I'm carrying. I'm at 0.5 kp and might die to a stage event but at least the game doesn't end right away if it really is cephiro+dedede. They can't shoot at me without dying themselves because your shot + grush's shot through me puts one of them at 0.5 kp.

Kinda late at night here but is this crazy?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 07 2012 06:30 GMT
#999
well I have to keep trying =P

I'm going to carry cephiro.

Sleep on it tonight and before the deadline tomorrow at least give it one more readthrough and think-through. Talk to strongandbig if possible.

The way I see it, if you're scum you're already dead once grush flips scum and I flip town.

If you're town and think I'm scum with cephiro, shooting cephiro and having grush shoot me puts as both at 0.5 kp and therefore the scumteam you think is active is essentially crippled with no vote swaying ability anyway and the chance to die to the stage event.

I guess if bus driver buses cephiro with homerunbat or something then this simply doesn't work though.

Man.

Ok lemme think this through. If it's dedede + cephiro then obviously bus cephiro with homerunbat I guess. Then they have 2.5 kp to work with. If you're shooting me, then it's EZ win by killing grush. If you're not shooting me, then it's EZ win by using the NK on grush and cephiro's shot on me. Although if they really think that grush is going to shoot me, they can just use the NK on me and cephiro's shot on grush in order to avoid accidentally killing themselves if both saturn + cephiro shoot me.

Dear lord the only way town survives the night in this scenario is if they would be wifom'd into making the wrong decision about where to put their kills. Seems impossible though.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 07 2012 20:30 GMT
#1002
On July 08 2012 02:24 Mister Saturn wrote:
I'm moving my things to a storage facility so I won't be there at deadline.

s&b, you can do whatever you like.


Dear strongandbig,

From a neuroscientist to a physicist, please consider all the evidence.

Much love,
talismania
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 08 2012 01:40 GMT
#1054
yep yep.

I thought the only chance we had was if hiropro could be convinced to change his mind but alas it was too late.

acro/cephiro well played.

ps no one ever call me scum again for focusing on the setup. The nonrandom nature of the setup here shouldn't have been so overlooked.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 08 2012 14:09 GMT
#1071
the only way we actually would have won is if we no-lynched.

if we lynched grush it would have been 3v2 and they could have used their 2.5 kp on mister saturn.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 08 2012 16:28 GMT
#1074
No mr s could have held their shot as could have grush. Regardless it would have been tough
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