Caught up on the thread now. Seems that the discussion isn't really going anywhere, just arguing about who thinks whom is scum. I think I'll just wait for the stage and item results and continue after that.

And if anyone is going to accuse someone of being scum, please back it up with a case or proper reasoning, we can't just go around like asshats and point fingers yelling "Scum!", I'm getting tired of seeing everyone screaming all possible combinations back and forth without reasoning for them.

talismania

United States2364 Posts

July 05 2012 19:56 GMT

#805

they think it's me + you, iGrok. But that should be disproven when risen/you and grush flips.

iGrok

United States5142 Posts

July 05 2012 19:57 GMT

#806

On July 06 2012 04:56 talismania wrote:
they think it's me + you, iGrok. But that should be disproven when risen/you and grush flips.

Hiro thinks its me and you. IDK about S&B

As an aside, thats why i dislike hydras

Mister Saturn

Vatican City State155 Posts

July 05 2012 19:59 GMT

#807

On July 06 2012 04:48 iGrok wrote:
and S&B who is your other read?

you or grush ATM

im a little less sure about you than i was before your "hey wait guys i actually do give a fuck" post but it's too easy for scum to say that to come back from being found out or whatever so i'm not feeling giving you a free "actually he's town after all" pass.

I think risen is probably town but he could be scum

i thought cephiro might be scum for KP balance reasons but grush could be that also

Mister Saturn

Vatican City State155 Posts

July 05 2012 20:02 GMT

#808

you don't like hydras because we have different reads or what?

i mean, ideally we would discuss with each other what our reads are and what we should do about them, i've just been really shitty about that since i just moved to freakin' europe and have to work like twelve hours a day now

i actually think the best kind of hydra is the secret one where you pretend you're just a smurf or whatever and not a hydra at all, but that wasn't really an option this time since everyone knew we would be a hydra

iGrok

United States5142 Posts

July 05 2012 20:02 GMT

#809

Saturn, will you be voting for grush tonight?

Assume for the moment that I flip town and Risen flips something.

iGrok

United States5142 Posts

July 05 2012 20:03 GMT

#810

Yeah, I don't like hydras because I can't fault you for having inconsistent reads. Its really frustrating to play against someone with a built-in excuse for contradictions.

Risen

United States7927 Posts

July 05 2012 20:18 GMT

#811

On July 06 2012 05:02 iGrok wrote:
Saturn, will you be voting for grush tonight?

Assume for the moment that I flip town and Risen flips something.

Look! He's almost there. So close to covering all the possibilities of his theory! If only he could reach a little farther!

I also like how I'm no longer positively flipping scum, I'm just something.

s0Lstice

United States1833 Posts

July 05 2012 20:18 GMT

#812

Igrok before you're dead can you give me your read on talis

iGrok

United States5142 Posts

July 05 2012 20:31 GMT

#813

Tali starts out with similar reads to my own, including ones I hadn't made public. So, he starts off on the right foot. Volunteering to sit out is weird, but its something that a townie who is trying to do as little damage as possible would do. Then he creates a spreadsheet to track everyone's accusations. This is an easy thing for scum to do for credit, but it also hurts scum because they can't ever contradict themselves. Since I'm already leaning town, its a pro-town move. And finally, he nails it on the head that grush shot cephiro instead of one of the people he (grush) said was scum. All these things combined say he's town. He's not taking a leadership role this game, but thats fine - too many leaders can fuck towns over.

Risen

United States7927 Posts

July 05 2012 20:41 GMT

#814

On July 06 2012 05:31 iGrok wrote:
Tali starts out with similar reads to my own, including ones I hadn't made public. So, he starts off on the right foot. Volunteering to sit out is weird, but its something that a townie who is trying to do as little damage as possible would do. Then he creates a spreadsheet to track everyone's accusations. This is an easy thing for scum to do for credit, but it also hurts scum because they can't ever contradict themselves. Since I'm already leaning town, its a pro-town move. And finally, he nails it on the head that grush shot cephiro instead of one of the people he (grush) said was scum. All these things combined say he's town. He's not taking a leadership role this game, but thats fine - too many leaders can fuck towns over.

Hmm, is he buddying tali so when he flips scum tali is safe bc he's buddying him? Too wifom I guess.

Just don't let this affect your reads on tali people. (I'm assuming igrok flips scum. If he's town disregard previous statement.)

iGrok

United States5142 Posts

July 05 2012 20:42 GMT

#815

On July 06 2012 05:41 Risen wrote:

Show nested quote +

Risen

United States7927 Posts

July 05 2012 20:46 GMT

#816

On July 06 2012 05:42 iGrok wrote:

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Go through my filter. I've always held you're either scum or idiot town who's better off dead. I'm rational, you let your emotions and fear of being wrong cloud your judgement. If town I think that's something for you to work on in the future.

iGrok

United States5142 Posts

July 05 2012 20:50 GMT

#817

Whatever baby, I'll meet you in hell in an hour!

Risen

United States7927 Posts

July 05 2012 21:56 GMT

#818

If igrok is scum it pretty much seals cephiro and probably dedede as town. My kill order would be grush, tali, hrb, ms, dedede, cephiro. Sorry I forced us into this. Should have just joined the push igrok movement. Igrok is almost certainly a scum who knows he's dead and decided to shit up the thread as much as possible so his buddy had a chance to hide in the mud. I enabled him bc i couldn't wrap my head around his play. Grush bc he shot cephiro, tali bc I can't see igrok carrying his scum buddy and above hrb bc I think he's more scummy (though it's slightly odd hrb defended me so hard, almost like he KNOWS I'm town, ya dig?), then hrb as buddying scum, then ms, dedede or cephiro if one of you are scum in this scenario ggvwp.

If igrok is town, go with the plan I listed earlier. Lynch grush, if town you have to go all in on either a cephiro/dedede scum team or two of ms/tali/hrb scum team. If grush is scum, lynch ms then tali then hrb.

Think that covers everything correctly. Godspeed town.

iGrok

United States5142 Posts

July 05 2012 21:59 GMT

#819

Alright guys, so I'm about to die with Risen. Don't feel bad for me though, town has this game locked up. I only ask that you be sure that my death is not in vain. Lynch Grush tonight. And remember, if Risen flips town, murder the ever-loving hell out of Saturn, who is clearly a communist and a threat to FREEDOM. I know I've played like Palmar this game, but don't fail me.

Saturn and Risen, I expect an apology.

I only regret that I have but one life to give for my Town.